Trumbo trade - a look on the bright side...

[sundevil04]

OK, I'm 50/50 on this trade. It was very obvious that this team needed power and specifically power at a corner OF spot.

Here are some positives on Trumbo...


only 27 years old

Strike out #'s have decreased each year in MLB

Should only cost us about 4.5 Mil next year

under contract (arbitration) for 3 years

Moving to a hitter friendly ballpark

2012 #'s - .268 ave 32HR's 95 RBI


If he can come in here and hit .250+ with 35 HR and 100 RBI, which are numbers right in line with his career averages, I think he fills a need.


My hope is, and I think I may be correct, that all we gave up was a #3/4 SP and a AAAA CF.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think his #'s will go up for sure here but he needs to up that OBP. I also don't think we gave up that much for him. One of Parra or Eaton had to go and Skaggs became a luxury when Corbin dominated last year. I'm like 60/40 against this trade, it's not as awful as some people are making it out to be.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Will be interesting to look at this in a year. I think Skaggs is crap but I really liked Eaton.

 

[crisper57]

If this deal torpedoes the deal with the Cubs for Jeff Samardzija, then I am all for it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

It's weird to think that Skaggs and Bauer are both with different organizations right now. They're this generation's version of Jackson/Quentin or the Babybacks.

 

[PDXChris]

It's weird to think that Skaggs and Bauer are both with different organizations right now. They're this generation's version of Jackson/Quentin or the Babybacks.

Good comparison.

Man, did Bauer stink last year, even on the minors. He is out of the leauge in 3 years and heads over to Japan. People would pay to see is routine there.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

KT basically has turned over the entire roster other than Miggy and Parra since he came here and I'm not sure we're much better overall other than having Goldy (who he didn't draft or develop) and a worse farm system.

 

[Phrazbit]

KT basically has turned over the entire roster other than Miggy and Parra since he came here and I'm not sure we're much better overall other than having Goldy (who he didn't draft or develop) and a worse farm system.

And added nearly nearly 40 million to the payroll.

 

[unseenaz]

It's weird to think that Skaggs and Bauer are both with different organizations right now. They're this generation's version of Jackson/Quentin or the Babybacks.

Ya, I can't wait to see Bradley pitch 12 innings in the big leagues this year so we can say he's trash then trade him.

Sherzer - cy young
Parker - stud
Bauer - ?
Skaggs - ?
Who's next???

 

[Phrazbit]

Ya, I can't wait to see Bradley pitch 12 innings in the big leagues this year so we can say he's trash then trade him.

Sherzer - cy young
Parker - stud
Bauer - ?
Skaggs - ?
Who's next???

Same has applied to our hitters. Upton, 4th in MVP, next year is a down year? Trash, trade him. Adam Eaton, raved about for 2 years as the leadoff man of the future, gets hurt, comes back slow... trash, trade him.

This team has a totally reversed policy for how to handle youth. The successful small markets develop their young guys, hold onto them as long as possible, then trade them for premium prospects before having to shell out big money. Dbacks are shipping off prospects at the drop of a hat, continuing to make the team older and more expensive, and despite this bizarre "win now" mentality the team has only gone backwards from the 94 win, young, cheap, talented roster that Towers was lucky enough to inherit.

 

[PDXChris]

Ya, I can't wait to see Bradley pitch 12 innings in the big leagues this year so we can say he's trash then trade him.

Sherzer - cy young
Parker - stud
Bauer - ?
Skaggs - ?
Who's next???

KT did not trade Sherzer and Bauer stinks bad. Near 5 ERA in the minors last season.

 

[82CardsGrad]

KT did not trade Sherzer and Bauer stinks bad. Near 5 ERA in the minors last season.

I can't help but continue to laugh at the reckleness people display just to attack KT... no matter the facts... too funny...

 

[82CardsGrad]

Same has applied to our hitters. Upton, 4th in MVP, next year is a down year?

Yea... he was 4th in 2011. Where did he finish in 2012 and 2013?

Adam Eaton, raved about for 2 years as the leadoff man of the future, gets hurt, comes back slow... trash, trade him.

What has Eaton done to warrant not trading him, other than play a decent center field?? And since when doesn't any GM rave (AKA building up) about a player, only to use him as trade bait??

This team has a totally reversed policy for how to handle youth.

- Goldy
- Parra
- Montero
- Miley
- Corbin
- Bradley
- Owings
- Davidson
- Collmenter
- Hernandez
- Will Harris

I don't have the time to attempt to compare that to other teams in terms of developing or holding onto youth... My hunch is that it would probably fall in the fair to middle spectrum...
I think trading Parker is one of the more glaring misses... But, I have zero problem with the Upton & Bauer trades. None. And as noted earlier, KT didn't trade Sherzer...
Additionally, I have no problem with Eaton being dealt. He was stunningly unimpressive last year and demonstrated a spaghetti arm in the outfield...

 

[Brian]

So now do they go after Matt Garza. He's the bulldog type KT likes, but he hasn't been very healthy the last 2 years.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yea... he was 4th in 2011. Where did he finish in 2012 and 2013?



What has Eaton done to warrant not trading him, other than play a decent center field?? And since when doesn't any GM rave (AKA building up) about a player, only to use him as trade bait??



- Goldy
- Parra
- Montero
- Miley
- Corbin
- Bradley
- Owings
- Davidson
- Collmenter
- Hernandez
- Will Harris

I don't have the time to attempt to compare that to other teams in terms of developing or holding onto youth... My hunch is that it would probably fall in the fair to middle spectrum...
I think trading Parker is one of the more glaring misses... But, I have zero problem with the Upton & Bauer trades. None. And as noted earlier, KT didn't trade Sherzer...
Additionally, I have no problem with Eaton being dealt. He was stunningly unimpressive last year and demonstrated a spaghetti arm in the outfield...

Uhh... I can think of a GM who does not talk up players before trading them, KT! He dragged Bauer and Upton through the mud before shipping them off.

As for trading youth... KT took over a team with arguably the most loaded farm system in baseball, in the last few years he has rid the franchise of Parker, Cook, Bauer, Holmberg, Eaton, Skaggs, Upton. Guys that were viewed as some of the premier under 25 talent in all of baseball, YOU may not have liked them, you might buy into everything the team says when its justifying one of its backwards moves. But their return for those swaps has been laughable.

Just because Towers has not traded ALL of the young players on the team is hardly something worth celebrating. I'd like to be shown any team that has shipped off more highly rated young players over the last few years than we have.

And listing Collmenter (who I like but is simply a long reliever), Will Harris (a 29 year old claimed off waivers in April), and Hernandez (a 28 year old) as "youth" that Towers has held onto is really stretching it thin.

As for dudes like Davidson and Owings... knowing the teams track record they're both a brief slump away from being thrown on the back of the turnip truck.

 

[unseenaz]

KT did not trade Sherzer and Bauer stinks bad. Near 5 ERA in the minors last season.

I don't care who traded them. The GMs change but the fans stay the same. I sick of reading the same book over and over. This franchise isn't winning many of these prospect trades. But look how many we've lost.

 

[Dback Jon]

I don't care who traded them. The GMs change but the fans stay the same. I sick of reading the same book over and over. This franchise isn't winning many of these prospect trades. But look how many we've lost.

I didn't see many complaining about trading Scherzer then


Remember, we got Ian Kennedy (won 21 games in 2011) and Edwin Jackson, who was traded for Daniel Hudson (won 16 games in 2011).

Without this trade, we don't win the Division in 2011.

Injuries hurt Kennedy/Hudson after that, but no one was pimping Max as a future Cy Young.

 

[BC867]

A power hitter to play LF and backup 1B would be perfect with RBI figures of 87, 95 then 100 in his three full seasons.

But batting averages of .254, .268 then .234 with equally disappointing OBP's and strikeouts suck.

A righty hitter even with more impressive stats is not going to adequately protect Goldy. Pitchers will still be able to pitch around him.

Picture how astronomical Goldy's stats would have been last season if Eric Chavez were younger and healthier.

Trumbo is more of a power hitter than any of our other cleanup hitters last season, but Chavez hit .281 not .234 . . . and he hit lefty.

D'backs left fielders better than Trumbo have come and gone. He will be the next.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Parker - stud

LMAO. Dud more like it.

 

[sundevil04]

LMAO. Dud more like it.

Jarrod Parker a Dud???

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well I am not disappointed to see Skaggs gone. Possibly the most overrated DBack prospect I have had the displeasure of watching.

Trumbo I haven't seen enough to really judge yet. His batting average was a career low so maybe he upticks to the .260 range where he has been historically.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Jarrod Parker a Dud???

Unless you think Cahill is something special, yes. He is a #5 starter with #3 starter upside.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

a 3.97 ERA and a 6k/9 isn't anything to be fawning over.

 

[sundevil04]

Ill take Parker over Cahill any day.

3.68 Career ERA pitching in the AL

 

[Diamondback Jay]

This may be unpopular but I don't think this is the worst trade in the worst ever made.

I swear by OBP.. More than any other stat, I think OBP is valuable. Yes, Trumbo's OBP in seasons 1 through three have sucked. However, you know who else had a garbage OBP at the beginning of his career? Chris Davis. He had an OBP of .370 this year. It can be turned around.

What Trumbo DOES have going for him is major, big time power. In his first three seasons in the bigs, he has averaged 31 homers a season and has never hit less than 29. This year, he finished in the top ten in the AL in homers (he finished in the top 6 in all of MLB) and RBI. He also has a great contract in terms of team control and price.

Yes Skaggs has a high ceiling and I liked Eaton. However getting someone who was a top ten bat in homers and RBI this season, has proven he can hit for power and drive in runs and is still young and cheap for just two prospects (and Eaton really isn't one now and is 25), is a good deal in my view.