Two words of warning before placing blind faith in Dennis Green for the draft:

[jolt]

Dimitrius Underwood.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Boo! He could have been good, but he's insane. Happens to the best of us. If this is all you can come up with after Green's nine years of drafting...

 

[SECTION 11]

One more word of caution before putting too much faith in message boards:

jolt

 

[jolt]

Boo! He could have been good, but he's insane. Happens to the best of us. If this is all you can come up with after Green's nine years of drafting...

What??

Get your facts straight. ESPN didn't even have a video clip of the guy, they didn't think anyone would take him before round 3 at the earliest.

He didn't even play during his senior year in college!

 

[jolt]

OK, fine, I see how it goes, anyone who says anything other than woo hoo go cardinals green rules gets crapped on.

Fine. Everyone he picks will be an all pro. Enjoy the 16-0 season.

 

[Ryanwb]

Everybody makes mistakes and nobody knew that Underwood was psychotic. I would say on the whole that Green is an above average judge of talen on the OFFENSIVE side and about average on the defensive side.

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 27 27 Michael Bennett Wisconsin RB
2 26 57 Willie Howard Stanford DT
3 7 69 Eric Kelly Kentucky DB
4 35 130 Shawn Worthen Texas Christian DT
4 36 131 Cedric James Texas Christian WR
5 26 157 Patrick Chukwurah Wyoming LB
6 26 189 Carey Scott Kentucky State DB
7 25 225 Brian Crawford Western Oregon T


That was his last draft with the Vikings.

Name one of those guys who is still in the NFL other than Bennett, who's middle name is Injured Reserve.

 

[kerouac9]

Get your facts straight. ESPN didn't even have a video clip of the guy, they didn't think anyone would take him before round 3 at the earliest.

Same thing happened with Calvin Pace. Sometimes you take a chance on a player.

 

[Ryanwb]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 27 27 Michael Bennett Wisconsin RB
2 26 57 Willie Howard Stanford DT
3 7 69 Eric Kelly Kentucky DB
4 35 130 Shawn Worthen Texas Christian DT
4 36 131 Cedric James Texas Christian WR
5 26 157 Patrick Chukwurah Wyoming LB
6 26 189 Carey Scott Kentucky State DB
7 25 225 Brian Crawford Western Oregon T


That was his last draft with the Vikings.

Name one of those guys who is still in the NFL other than Bennett, who's middle name is Injured Reserve.

I don't follow the Vikings well enough to comment

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 25 25 Chris Hovan Boston College DT
2 24 55 Fred Robbins Wake Forest DT
2 25 56 Michael Boireau Miami (FL) DE
3 26 88 Doug Chapman M.arshall RB
4 12 106 Antonio Wilson Texas A&M-Commerce LB
4 24 118 Tyrone Carter Minnesota DB
5 36 165 Troy Walters Stanford WR
7 34 240 Mike Malano San Diego State C
7 38 244 Giles Cole Texas A&M-Kingsville TE


Here's the year prior. Hovan starts, Robbins is a backup, everyone else is cut or a waiver guy (Walters)

 

[jolt]

I don't follow the Vikings well enough to comment

None of them are in the NFL except Bennett. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 11 11 Daunte Culpepper Central Florida QB
1 29 29 Dimitrius Underwood Michigan State DE
2 13 44 Jim Kleinsasser North Dakota TE
4 25 120 Kenny Wright NW Louisiana DB
4 30 125 Jay Humphrey Texas T
5 36 169 Chris Jones Clemson LB
6 16 185 Talance Sawyer UNLV DE
6 30 199 Antico Dalton Hampton LB
7 30 236 Noel Scarlett Langston DE


One more year back.....hmm.....two offensive players who are really good, Sawyer is a backup, the other guys never made it.

 

[Ryanwb]

I don't understand your point. Look at the Cardinals prior drafts...we suck at drafting.

Fact of the matter you are picking and choosing which drafts to grade Green on...I seem to recall him digging up some real diamonds in the rough...

 

[jolt]

1 21 21 Randy Moss Marshall WR
2 21 51 Kailee Wong Stanford DE
3 19 80 Ramos McDonald New Mexico DB
4 18 110 Kivuusama Mays North Carolina LB
5 21 144 Kerry Cooks Iowa DB
6 20 173 Matt Birk Harvard T
7 19 208 Chester Burnett Arizona LB
7 36 225 Tony Darden Texas Tech DB

1998. Birk and Moss are in the pro bowl. Everyone else got cut.

Looks like he's averaging about 1 or 2 guys a year who actually end up playing.

 

[SECTION 11]

OK, fine, I see how it goes, anyone who says anything other than woo hoo go cardinals green rules gets crapped on.

Fine. Everyone he picks will be an all pro. Enjoy the 16-0 season.

That's a lame cop out.

If you analyze ten Green drafts with one player, then you deserve all the abuse you get.


Remember when those dumb-ass Patriots picked Andy Katzenmoyer one spot in front of Underwood? What a bunch of fools.

 

[jolt]

I don't understand your point. Look at the Cardinals prior drafts...we suck at drafting.

Fact of the matter you are picking and choosing which drafts to grade Green on...I seem to recall him digging up some real diamonds in the rough...

I am listing them in chronological order! How is that choosing!?

Yes, we have always sucked at drafting, and I don't really think that we can throw our blind faith behind someone who hasn't fared much better, according to his record.

 

[Lex]

Ok ... Everyone in favor of drafting #27 and #25 the next two years say "I TRUST DENNY!"

 

[jolt]

That's a lame cop out.

If you analyze ten Green drafts with one player, then you deserve all the abuse you get.


Remember when those dumb-ass Patriots picked Andy Katzenmoyer one spot in front of Underwood? What a bunch of fools.

Or 5 drafts.

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 16 16 Duane Clemons California DE
2 15 45 James Manley Vanderbilt DT
3 14 75 Moe Williams Kentucky RB
4 2 97 Hunter Goodwin Texas A&M G
5 16 148 Sean Boyd North Carolina DB
7 14 223 Jon Merrill Duke T

1996 - the James Manley era begins

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 11 11 Derrick Alexander Florida State DE
1 24 24 Korey Stringer Ohio State T
2 10 42 Orlando Thomas SW Louisiana DB
2 23 55 Corey Fuller Florida State DB
4 13 111 Chad May Kansas State QB
5 23 157 James Stewart Miami (FL) RB
6 18 189 John Solomon Sam Houston State LB
7 24 232 Jose White Howard LB
7 35 243 Jason Fisk Stanford DT

1995 - this one is solid, top to bottom. every guy here except May and Solomon played.

 

[Ryanwb]

Ok ... Everyone in favor of drafting #27 and #25 the next two years say "I TRUST DENNY!"

Yeah, its easy to find good players when your drafting in the top 5 every year...Denny is dealing with nothing and working at a 33% rate of accuracy.

Okay, so Winslow wasn't the only Homer

 

[abomb]

Pointing out year-by-year failures is an unfruitful exercise, you could do that for any team, especially the Cardinals.

A-Bomb

 

[Ryanwb]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 11 11 Derrick Alexander Florida State DE
1 24 24 Korey Stringer Ohio State T
2 10 42 Orlando Thomas SW Louisiana DB
2 23 55 Corey Fuller Florida State DB
4 13 111 Chad May Kansas State QB
5 23 157 James Stewart Miami (FL) RB
6 18 189 John Solomon Sam Houston State LB
7 24 232 Jose White Howard LB
7 35 243 Jason Fisk Stanford DT

1995 - this one is solid, top to bottom. every guy here except May and Solomon played.

Now that was a nice draft

 

[jolt]

Rnd Pick Ovrall Name College Pos
1 18 18 DeWayne Washington North Carolina State DB
1 19 19 Todd Steussie California T
2 11 40 David Palmer Alabama WR
2 26 55 Fernando Smith Jackson State DE
4 22 125 Mike Wells Iowa DT
5 3 134 Shelly Hammonds Penn State DB
6 18 179 Andrew Jordan Western Carolina TE
7 17 211 Pete Bercich Notre Dame LB

1994 - steussie was awesome, washington sticks around but isn't any good, and.....well, bercich went to my high school.

 

[Mrospi]

And the Guy has still produced winning teams!!!! I choose winning teams!!!!!!!!!!!! If we get that in Arizona, great.....