Two words of warning before placing blind faith in Dennis Green for the draft:

[jolt]

Pro Bowlers Green drafted (just with the Vikings).

2003: Matt Birk, Moss, Culpepper
2002: Michael Bennet, Randy Moss
2001: Matt Birk
2000: Matt Birk, Culpepper, Moss, Robert Smith, Korey Stringer
1999: Moss
1998: Ed McDaniel, Moss, Robert Smith, Todd Steussie
1997: Todd Steussie

That's 17. But you have Underwood on your side of the ledger, I guess.

Right. Count each pro bowl appearance by the 5 good players he drafted separately. He drafted 17 pro bowlers.

Thanks for the Hannity stats. Count up the guys in those 10 drafts who played less than 1 season in the NFL. I already acknowledged that he picked some good players. Unfortunately the draft has more than 1 round. All but Birk and Mcdaniel (who he didn't draft) were 1st rounders.

If you think 1 good player from each draft makes good drafting, fine. I'm wrong.

 

[jolt]

That works just as well. Either way, Jolt's getting his ass handed to him.

Yup, About 10 of the 100 guys he drafted actually played in the NFL. But since 5 of them played in the pro bowl, i'm totally wrong.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Right. Count each pro bowl appearance by the 5 good players he drafted separately. He drafted 17 pro bowlers.

Thanks for the Hannity stats. Count up the guys in those 10 drafts who played less than 1 season in the NFL. I already acknowledged that he picked some good players. Unfortunately the draft has more than 1 round. All but Birk and Mcdaniel (who he didn't draft) were 1st rounders.

If you think 1 good player from each draft makes good drafting, fine. I'm wrong.

How many 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th rounders actually make contributions in their careers? The key is the first 3 rounds. Look at every team in the league and their drafts will look crappy after the 3rd round.

 

[SECTION 11]

If you think 1 good player from each draft makes good drafting, fine. I'm wrong.

No, I think 17 pro bowl APPEARANCES in 10 years of drafting is pretty decent.

Or said another way, if you think one bust in 10 years of drafting somehow dimishes his other finds in the draft, then fine. I'm wrong.



Don't PM me again. If you want to call me a dick, go ahead and do it here.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yup, About 10 of the 100 guys he drafted actually played in the NFL. But since 5 of them played in the pro bowl, i'm totally wrong.

You got some spunk Jolt, I like that.....(Ryan, avoid to point out the alternative meaning of spunk, please)

 

[jolt]

How many 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th rounders actually make contributions in their careers? The key is the first 3 rounds. Look at every team in the league and their drafts will look crappy after the 3rd round.

Look at his 2nd and 3rd round picks. They're completely awful.

 

[Ryanwb]

Look at his 2nd and 3rd round picks. They're completely awful.

Can you post some examples?

 

[jolt]

No, I think 17 pro bowl APPEARANCES in 10 years of drafting is pretty decent.

Or said another way, if you think one bust in 10 years of drafting somehow dimishes his other finds in the draft, then fine. I'm wrong.



Don't PM me again. If you want to call me a dick, go ahead and do it here.

I don't know you. You may or may not be a dick. You're being one, though. Everyone who doesn't agree with you gets crapped on, then I backed it up and you just start making crap up to put it down anyway.

17 pro bowl appearances overall makes it better. Right. So whoever drafted randall mcdaniel should get credit for 11 pro bowl appearances because of one guy.

I admitted about 10 times already that he picked some DAMN GOOD PLAYERS. Unfortunately, everyone he picked aside from the 5 or 6 pro bowlers barely even played in the NFL. 5 or 6 stars is great, but if every other pick in the draft is crap, you can go ahead and call that good drafting if you want, but I don't.

 

[SECTION 11]

Who's drafts are you comparing Green's to? How about an example of somebody who's second and third rounders are solid NFLers?

 

[jolt]

Can you post some examples?

I just posted every draft pick he ever made. What else am I supposed to do?

You won't be happy until I just kiss Green's butt and say something homeristic. If you don't think that Michael Boireau and Willie Blade suck there's nothing I can tell you that will prove it.

 

[jolt]

Who's drafts are you comparing Green's to? How about an example of somebody who's second and third rounders are solid NFLers?

Damn, do you expect me to post every draft that's ever been made in order to prove that some other coach picked some decent 2nd and 3rd rounders?

 

[jolt]

Here's the second round from his last draft. See any players better than willie howard (or mike stone, for that matter)?

32 San Diego Brees, Drew QB Purdue
33 Cleveland Morgan, Quincy WR Kansas State
34 Arizona Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE Nebraska
35 Atlanta Crumpler, Alge TE North Carolina
36 Cincinnati Johnson, Chad WR Oregon State
37 Indianapolis Bashir, Idrees FS Memphis
38 Chicago Thomas, Anthony RB Michigan
39 Pittsburgh Bell, Kendrell ILB Georgia
40 Seattle Lucas, Ken CB Mississippi
41 Green Bay Ferguson, Robert WR Texas A&M
42 St. Louis Polley, Tommy OLB Florida State
43 Jacksonville Williams, Maurice T Michigan
44 Carolina Jenkins, Kris DT Maryland
45 Washington Smoot, Fred CB Mississippi State
46 Buffalo Schobel, Aaron DE Texas Christian
47 San Francisco Winborn, Jamie ILB Vanderbilt
48 New England Light, Matt T Purdue
49 N.Y. Jets Jordan, LaMont RB Maryland
50 Detroit Raiola, Dominic C Nebraska
51 Denver Toviessi, Paul DE Marshall
52 Miami Chambers, Chris WR Wisconsin
53 Dallas Carter, Quincy QB Georgia
54 Arizona Stone, Michael FS Memphis
55 Philadelphia Caver, Quinton OLB Arkansas
56 Dallas Dixon, Tony SS Alabama
57 Minnesota Howard, Willie DE Stanford
58 Buffalo Henry, Travis RB Tennessee
59 Oakland Tuiasosopo, Marques QB Washington
60 Tennessee Dyson, Andre CB Utah
61 Detroit Rogers, Shaun DT Texas
62 Baltimore Baxter, Gary CB Baylor

 

[SECTION 11]

17 pro bowl appearances overall makes it better. Right. So whoever drafted randall mcdaniel should get credit for 11 pro bowl appearances because of one guy.

Yeah, if one pick like Dimitrius Underwood warrants all this terrific thread, then whoever drafted an 11 time Pro Bowler should get equal credit.

However if you want it both ways, have at it I guess.

 

[jolt]

ps - look at pittsburgh's last 10 drafts if you want to see a team who gets players top to bottom every year.

 

[jolt]

Yeah, if one pick like Dimitrius Underwood warrants all this terrific thread, then whoever drafted an 11 time Pro Bowler should get equal credit.

However if you want it both ways, have at it I guess.

How many times do you want me to repeat that Dimitrius Underwood was not his only bad pick??

Look at all 10 years worth of 2nd and 3rd rounders. Way to distort my argument, like I was saying that underwood was his only bad pick and therefore he was a moron.

 

[Ryanwb]

How many times do you want me to repeat that Dimitrius Underwood was not his only bad pick??

Look at all 10 years worth of 2nd and 3rd rounders. Way to distort my argument, like I was saying that underwood was his only bad pick and therefore he was a moron.

I think he is going by the title of the thread?

 

[jolt]

I think he is going by the title of the thread?

Yeah that sure is a lot easier than reading any of it.

What did you want me to do, list every pick's name in the thread title?

 

[SECTION 11]

How many times do you want me to repeat that Dimitrius Underwood was not his only bad pick??

Look at all 10 years worth of 2nd and 3rd rounders. Way to distort my argument, like I was saying that underwood was his only bad pick and therefore he was a moron.

"Two words of warning before placing blind faith in Dennis Green for the draft:
Dimitrius Underwood."

You threw a piece of crap to the wall and it didn't stick. I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[jolt]

"Two words of warning before placing blind faith in Dennis Green for the draft:
Dimitrius Underwood."

You threw a piece of crap to the wall and it didn't stick. I don't know what to tell ya.

You called me on it, and I backed it up. I don't know what to tell you either. If you can't see that those drafts yielded a VERY low percentage of NFL players, then I'm sorry for raining on the parade and posting this.

Second, you started with a personal attack, not a comment on the topic.

 

[jolt]

And for the record, since no one seems to know the actual FACTS about Underwood.....

His insanity was WELL KNOWN before the draft. Michigan State had a lot of problems with him, leading to him sitting out his entire senior season. Dennis green drafted a guy who didn't play a down as a senior in the first round.

That's not a bad pick, that's throwing a damn pick out the window.

 

[jolt]

correction - sorry, he declared after his junior year, in which he did not play. not senior year.

 

[CardinalChris]

And for the record, since no one seems to know the actual FACTS about Underwood.....

His insanity was WELL KNOWN before the draft. Michigan State had a lot of problems with him, leading to him sitting out his entire senior season. Dennis green drafted a guy who didn't play a down as a senior in the first round.

That's not a bad pick, that's throwing a damn pick out the window.

It's only throwing a pick out of the window if he doesn't make it. If he makes it, Green's a genius. Hindsight's 20/20

 

[jolt]

It's only throwing a pick out of the window if he doesn't make it. If he makes it, Green's a genius. Hindsight's 20/20

Well, of course, but who would use a 1st round pick on a guy who didn't even play his last season in college? You gamble on a guy like that in the 3rd or 4th.

 

[Ryanwb]

Well, of course, but who would use a 1st round pick on a guy who didn't even play his last season in college? You gamble on a guy like that in the 3rd or 4th.

Eric Swann didn't even go to college and was laying pipe for a living....that makes him a wasted pick too by your standards

 

[CardinalChris]

Eric Swann didn't even go to college and was laying pipe for a living....that makes him a wasted pick too by your standards

Swann was #6 overall... and he couldn't even GET INTO college. I think the "i told you so" is insane when talking about such a large crap shot as the NFL draft. What's the average career for a player? 2.9 years? So going back 5 years and saying "look how many of these guys didn't make it" is sort of silly in the NFL.