Typical Cards! Way to hold this team together Dennis Green!

[Shane]

Would you be willing to talk to me in that manner if you were standing in front of me? Just curious! Or are you an internet tough guy?[/QUOTE I will let that go to being pissed at a loss....and yes I would if you are going to be biased with your analysis. Losses hurt but you got to keep it real. We will end up with a good team under this coach but you really are going to have to be patient with this group. He inherited a total mess. Oh and yeah I have the same measurables as you pal. So don't think you can throw your weight around. I think it is stupid to insenuate that crap.

Im not insinuating anything! I just wonder if you are the kind of person who is a complete and total azz with a total lack of class who talks to people like that in person? Or just does it via a keyboard.

I could care less what your measurables are! I am not throwing around any "weight" it was a question! I could also care less if you "let it go"


You showed clearly who the moron is!

 

[red desert]

My 2 cents, I don't blame game coaching for the loss, I blame Green's decision to commit to Josh so early. He could have let him compete with Blake, he could have brought in a veteran, he could have drafted Ben, he didn't. That shows an enormous amount of confidence in Josh McCown.

So why in the hell is he so afraid to turn the guy loose against such an undermanned team?

Basically the first 2 drives of the 4th quarter we let the dogs loose on offense and Josh had 71 yards and SF was so on their heels they still don't know Emmitt had the ball on the TD run. Next drive 3 runs against a defense playing pass, and then the 24 yarder to Fitz(god he's good in the air). That's essentially 100 yards passing on 2 possessions because we went vertical.

To me the game was lost in the pre game planning that apparently said let's play careful, get the lead and grind it out instead of saying this team is beat up let's knock them down, step on their necks and go for the kill shot. That's Green's reputation, he didn't have the gameplan I wanted to see.

Well said. That's where I'm coming from as well.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Sorry the truth hurts....your history here proceeds you. Be angry about the game but don't expect others to listen to you.

As if YOU would know the truth if it bit you in your Rats_ _ _ .

Amazing, Simply amazing.

I haven't said squat about anyone yet, except that I felt Thompson played a lackluster game.

Go spew your pablum somewhere else.

 

[Shane]

My 2 cents, I don't blame game coaching for the loss, I blame Green's decision to commit to Josh so early. He could have let him compete with Blake, he could have brought in a veteran, he could have drafted Ben, he didn't. That shows an enormous amount of confidence in Josh McCown.

So why in the hell is he so afraid to turn the guy loose against such an undermanned team?

Basically the first 2 drives of the 4th quarter we let the dogs loose on offense and Josh had 71 yards and SF was so on their heels they still don't know Emmitt had the ball on the TD run. Next drive 3 runs against a defense playing pass, and then the 24 yarder to Fitz(god he's good in the air). That's essentially 100 yards passing on 2 possessions because we went vertical.

To me the game was lost in the pre game planning that apparently said let's play careful, get the lead and grind it out instead of saying this team is beat up let's knock them down, step on their necks and go for the kill shot. That's Green's reputation, he didn't have the gameplan I wanted to see.

russ that makes no sense. game planning is part of coachin. who do you blame then if the gameplan sucked

 

[jmt]

Chill out folks - what, now we ain't going to the Super Bowl? We are building and we have been in every game. GBR!!!!!!!!!

 

[CaptTurbo]

russ that makes no sense. game planning is part of coachin. who do you blame then if the gameplan sucked

Game plan was just fine. Cant do much with a guy who cant see 8 guys not even disgising a blitz and doing nothing but keep dropping back till he falls down under a pile.

 

[Rats]

Well said. That's where I'm coming from as well.

I will disagree Russ....every team with a two TD lead plays it safe...The gameplan on the road got us a big lead in the 4th QTR....the team on the field blew this game....I think they will be humbled and we will see if it keeps them fighting the rest of the year....if they give up ala Macs teams....then DG can be blamed....this was just another unsuccessful business trip....but we were still in it competing.

 

[Russ Smith]

russ that makes no sense. game planning is part of coachin. who do you blame then if the gameplan sucked

Sorry I mean the game was lost before it started, I guess not adjusting early enough is still bad "in game" coaching. To me Green stuck with the gameplan too long, finally said damn it let's open it up, and then we failed to hold the lead. the lead should have been MUCH bigger.

You put a better QB who Green trusts on this team and we are 3-2 easily, even Rattay as someone else said this team wins 2 more games. Josh has talent, but if Green doesn't trust him why the hell should I?

 

[Russ Smith]

I will disagree Russ....every team with a two TD lead plays it safe...The gameplan on the road got us a big lead in the 4th QTR....the team on the field blew this game....I think they will be humbled and we will see if it keeps them fighting the rest of the year....if they give up ala Macs teams....then DG can be blamed....this was just another unsuccessful business trip....but we were still in it competing.

the gameplan was the first half, run the ball, Josh 9-17 for 94 yards and 2 TD's. Effective but to me there were points there every drive if we'd attacked them in the air. They couldn't get pressure without blitzing and their DB's were overmatched by Fitz and co in single coverage. if Green trusted josh to air it out I think we blow them out in the first half and they give up.

I'm glad we compete but I'd rather the coach had more confidence in a QB he hand chose to be the starter.

 

[ChandlerCard]

I'm pissed at this loss, but there's no way anyone on this board would have believed that the Cards would essentially give up 4 TDs (2 TDs, 2-2pt conversions) to the 49ers after being up 28-12. No way. We lost because we were too conservative once we supposedly had the game in hand, and because the 49ers made an incredibly improbable comeback. One play here or there and we'd be the winners, and the whole tone here would be different. So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Shane]

Im not insinuating anything! I just wonder if you are the kind of person who is a complete and total azz with a total lack of class who talks to people like that in person? Or just does it via a keyboard.

I could care less what your measurables are! I am not throwing around any "weight" it was a question! I could also care less if you "let it go"


You showed clearly who the moron is!

 

[Tangodnzr]

the gameplan was the first half, run the ball, Josh 9-17 for 94 yards and 2 TD's. Effective but to me there were points there every drive if we'd attacked them in the air. They couldn't get pressure without blitzing and their DB's were overmatched by Fitz and co in single coverage. if Green trusted josh to air it out I think we blow them out in the first half and they give up.

I'm glad we compete but I'd rather the coach had more confidence in a QB he hand chose to be the starter.

Russ, I really think you are somewhat grasping at straws here with your theory on how much Green does not trust Josh.
I'd say at this point, that is simply more a theory you've come up with, but has no real substance to it, that I can see. Certainly to the extent that you seem to infer.

First you diss on Josh the first half for not throwing over the middle. Well he did after that. And you can only throw where the receivers are. If the coaches aren't calling plays for those routes, there's nothing the QB can do about it.
And I don't buy your theory, at this point anyway, that Green is as lacking in confidence in Josh as you are pimping.

I'm surprised at this, for you, .....such over simplified "logic"...

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ, I really think you are somewhat grasping at straws here with your theory on how much Green does not trust Josh.
I'd say at this point, that is simply more a theory you've come up with, but has no real substance to it, that I can see. Certainly to the extent that you seem to infer.

First you diss on Josh the first half for not throwing over the middle. Well he did after that. And you can only throw where the receivers are. If the coaches aren't calling plays for those routes, there's nothing the QB can do about it.
And I don't buy your theory, at this point anyway, that Green is as lacking in confidence in Josh as you are pimping.

I'm surprised at this, for you, .....such over simplified "logic"...

Why don't the coaches call stuff over the middle? i realize that's Quan's forte and he's not there, but I think we don't do it because Green thinks Josh will turn it over, like the pick where he was trying to force it in to I think Diamond in double coverage and nearly hit his C in the head.

You take that defense SF had out there and put them up against a Culpepper and Green is going 3 WR, throw the ball on every down, attack them and blow them out. Green is one of the more aggressive offensive coaches in football. I just feel like Green is playing to keep the games close hoping the defense can make some plays.

Off tangent did you hear Ryan say that Spencer said of Fitz, "covering him is not the problem, taking the ball away from him in the air is?" Even his own friends apparently don't think he can get separation.

 

[Rats]

Not taking any more of your bait.... I would rather cool down and have a discussion....not throw insults that I probably started but felt had to be said. We lost....you think I am an azz....I got it...now talk football or don't whatever

 

[WildBB]

They just didn't make the plays - WHEN IT REALLY MATTERED.

That's the difference between US AND ALMOST EVERYBODY ELSE.

NOT GREEN'S FAULT.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Why don't the coaches call stuff over the middle? i realize that's Quan's forte and he's not there, but I think we don't do it because Green thinks Josh will turn it over, like the pick where he was trying to force it in to I think Diamond in double coverage and nearly hit his C in the head.

You take that defense SF had out there and put them up against a Culpepper and Green is going 3 WR, throw the ball on every down, attack them and blow them out. Green is one of the more aggressive offensive coaches in football. I just feel like Green is playing to keep the games close hoping the defense can make some plays.

Off tangent did you hear Ryan say that Spencer said of Fitz, "covering him is not the problem, taking the ball away from him in the air is?" Even his own friends apparently don't think he can get separation.

I don't know the answer to why they don't throw over the middle more.

Although I'd be willing to surmise that it isn't simply just because Green doesn't trust Josh to make the throw.
Overall, Josh has shown a very accurate arm.
Today he seemed to have more off target throws than normal, but also some that were right on the money too. Those sideline throws to Williams and the one that BJ didn't catch, were both great throws. Far harder to make than hitting a receiver over the middle.
I suspect there's a lot more to it than just "Josh". ...like maybe his faith in the receivers to do their part too.

 

[Tangodnzr]

At this point, anyway, I'm a lot more concerned about why Rattay and the Niners got over 400 yds passing.

I think that played a hell of a lot more role in today's loss than any supposed shortcomings of Josh or Green's supposed "lack of confidence" in him.

28 points SHOULD have won this ballgame!!!!!!

 

[Bobcat]

No guy's this is what happens when you try to protect the lead. when you should continue to play to win. Call it what you want but playing prevent defense of any type makes you become a loser. That is what happened today plain and simply.

Bobcat

 

[Bellingham Mike]

My boy Croom? I was the one that said we should cut him and pick up the dude the eagles cut at RB and lead the preseason. Get your facts straight on me and your boy McCown aka the worst in the league. PROVEN TODAY!

Nfl.com stats say they are the 12 rank defen.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I suspect there's a lot more to it than just "Josh". ...like maybe his faith in the receivers to do their part too.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Nfl.com stats say they are the 12 rank defen.

Was that before or after peterson and 4 other starters were hurt?

 

[Wild Card]

At this point, anyway, I'm a lot more concerned about why Rattay and the Niners got over 400 yds passing. I think that played a hell of a lot more role in today's loss than any supposed shortcomings of Josh or Green's supposed "lack of confidence" in him.

28 points SHOULD have won this ballgame!!!!!!

Tango:

Absolutely right. 28 points wins plenty of games in the NFL. And most 16-point 4th-quarter leads equal a "W".

This loss goes on the defense. Opponents have been marching up and down the field all season against this bunch, only to misfire in the redzone. Sure, it's been great watching the Cardinals force fumbles and field goals inside the 20, but that stuff doesn't last forever. Give the other guys enough chances, and eventually they'll find the endzone.

Today's game was exactly the dose of reality the Cards needed going into the bye. There have been lots of encouraging signs over the last five weeks, but this team is still a work in progress. Better days lie ahead, but they aren't here yet.

WC

 

[Tangodnzr]

Tango:

Absolutely right. 28 points wins plenty of games in the NFL. And most 16-point 4th-quarter leads equal a "W".

This loss goes on the defense. Opponents have been marching up and down the field all season against this bunch, only to misfire in the redzone. Sure, it's been great watching the Cardinals force fumbles and field goals inside the 20, but that stuff doesn't last forever. Give the other guys enough chances, and eventually they'll find the endzone.

Today's game was exactly the dose of reality the Cards needed going into the bye. There have been lots of encouraging signs over the last five weeks, but this team is still a work in progress. Better days lie ahead, but they aren't here yet.

WC

I couldn't agree more.
A tough, tough loss I'm sure not only for us fans but the team itself.
Today the "other shoe" finally dropped.
That doesn't mean the sky is completely falling.

 

[D-Dogg]

So What????

So he has an opinion.

 

[Tangodnzr]

So he has an opinion.

Don't we all?