Tyrann Mathieu

[THESMEL]

I've cooled down some, the rest of the draft is solid. But to take Teo and Barclay would have made me happier than Minter and Tyrann Mathieu. Why take risk with these guys available?

If we were talented SB losers, with a buttload of extra picks, Well we was just like the Niners are now- And we risked our window- in the draft- to be one of the worse teams in the NFL. In record time!

We never learned nothing from these mistakes, Denny's solid draft got us there - Whiz blew it up- and Keim is gunslinging

 

[DemsMyBoys]

- I miss me some Little Billy Bidwill - He has sacrificed team performance for his players, NFL and country's well being more than most-

A remarkable belief.

Mr. B put together a team that didn't win- for decades - for the good of his country?

 

[PJ1]

I've cooled down some, the rest of the draft is solid. But to take Teo and Barclay would have made me happier than Minter and Tyrann Mathieu. Why take risk with these guys available?

If we were talented SB losers, with a buttload of extra picks, Well we was just like the Niners are now- And we risked our window- in the draft- to be one of the worse teams in the NFL. In record time!

We never learned nothing from these mistakes, Denny's solid draft got us there - Whiz blew it up- and Keim is gunslinging

You don't think Teo and Barclay carry any risk?

 

[D-Dogg]

Didn't he play with them at LSU?

he didn't get in trouble with PP7 there. His trouble happened after that.

Point is, he has a family system there to help nurture him, plus a class guy in Larry. Coaches who already know him, and BA who takes no crap.

Worries about the Honey Badger? Honey badger don't care.

 

[Dback Jon]

You don't think Teo and Barclay carry any risk?

Beat me to it.

Te'o and Barkley are probably riskier moves.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I've cooled down some, the rest of the draft is solid. But to take Teo and Barclay would have made me happier than Minter and Tyrann Mathieu. Why take risk with these guys available?

If we were talented SB losers, with a buttload of extra picks, Well we was just like the Niners are now- And we risked our window- in the draft- to be one of the worse teams in the NFL. In record time!

We never learned nothing from these mistakes, Denny's solid draft got us there - Whiz blew it up- and Keim is gunslinging

Who is Barclay?

 

[THESMEL]

risks

Hey I'll fan the kid- but some people need smelling salts- cause they are drunk on kool aid -out of their minds- somebody spiked their kool aid- this guy is sobering.



On draft day, former Colts president Bill Polian torched him on ESPN.

“He's proven to be irresponsible,” Polian said. “I don't know why you'd want him at any price.”

Mathieu understands those sentiments are going to exist, but he doesn’t agree.



Really I mean Mathieu is so much more credible than BP? no Really? read the last sentence of this link? does any other pick threaten their best player's and their new GM's dignity and integrity n the National stage?


link
http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/nfl...ted-risk-on-emotio?blockID=896585&feedID=3616


Peterson said the Cardinals have asked him to continue to serve as a mentor for Mathieu, but Keim confirmed the organization is taking more steps than that, including placing several stipulations in Mathieu’s contract, one of which requires a weekly drug test.

“They want to be able to trust me. They want to be able to know that I’ve crossed that bridge,” Mathieu said. “If it’s a drug test on a weekly basis, that’s what I have to do. If it’s meeting with counselors, therapists and sports psychologists, those are things I’m going to have to meet. It doesn’t matter what they put in my contract. I’m happy that they gave me the second chance.”

If Mathieu can take advantage of the opportunity, the Cardinals have the potential for a dynamic secondary. Arians said Friday that he expects Mathieu to play safety, but he also envisions a scenario in which both Peterson and Mathieu — two electric players with the ball — are back to return punts.

“Who are you going to kick it to?” Arians asked. “You can have a lot of fun with that one. They are both great athletes. They can throw. We can have all kinds of trick plays. We’ll have a lot of fun with that. We have probably the two most premier punt returners to come out of college football in a long time.”


On the flip side, if Mathieu stumbles again, in what feels like his 50th opportunity to shape up, all those Keim statements about character will feel like hollow lies.

he didn't get in trouble with PP7 there. His trouble happened after that.

Point is, he has a family system there to help nurture him, plus a class guy in Larry. Coaches who already know him, and BA who takes no crap.

Worries about the Honey Badger? Honey badger don't care.

 

[D-Dogg]

So bill polian has a sore bone for him. While Gruden wanted people to take him in round one.

Opinions are like aholes, and some aholes have lots of opinions. But tape doesn't lie, and TM is a beast on tape. He's going to have a contract full of clauses, and mentors keeping him together. I don't care how much weed he smoked and how stupid he was a year ago as long as he passes every drug test and balls so hard like he is wont to do.

 

[Lefty]

Expect a lot more articles like this one. I hope the kid gets his act together but I don't see that happening. I see this turning into another Richard Dumas scenario.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--n...raise-red-flags-in-nfl-circles-191551286.html

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Expect a lot more articles like this one. I hope the kid gets his act together but I don't see that happening. I see this turning into another Richard Dumas scenario.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--n...raise-red-flags-in-nfl-circles-191551286.html

I mean really who cares? I dont disagree with any of what that writer said. Its a risk everyone gets that.

But the potential reward outweighs the very small risk IMO.

This isnt a dude who is going to fade into the fabric of the team and be a 10 year player who makes a play here or there and is "solid" .... hes a boom or bust as you get. Hell either be a fan favorite making plays that win games or a spectacular flameout.

The point is not to criticize risk. In business there are only two things you can do as risk is part of the game and favors those who approach it smartly. You have to mitigate the risk and look at the worst case scenario. The risk is mitigated by Peterson, Fitz, and Bowles. The worst case sceanrio is that he is a 3rd round bust.

You remember Buster Davis and Johnny Rutledge? Me either. In any draft you are going to miss on at least 3-4 guys and where 1st and 2nd are guys you count on guys to star or start, 3rd rounders are much more of a crap shoot.

I applaud the Cardinals. And I think this is going to payoff. Maybe not long term because I believe thats what happened to TM in the first place. He was JAG, and then he exploded onto the scene and was one of the 3 most popular college players in 2011 and a Heisman finalist replete with a cool nick name.

He didnt know how to handle it and has admitted as much. He got caught up in the hype and then started to detest the fame a bit (again why he doesnt like the nickname) and turned to marijuana. Not assaulting people. Not driving drunk. Marijuana.

Now if he achieves that success again? Well there are no guarantees but I feel damn good Peterson, Minter, and Fitz will up the odds he doesnt relapse.

And even if we only get in good season before he falls out of the league like Richard Dumas?

Oh well. Thats more then we got out of Buster Davis and that pick was made without any of the upside....

 

[devilalum]

I mean really who cares? I dont disagree with any of what that writer said. Its a risk everyone gets that.

But the potential reward outweighs the very small risk IMO.

This isnt a dude who is going to fade into the fabric of the team and be a 10 year player who makes a play here or there and is "solid" .... hes a boom or bust as you get. Hell either be a fan favorite making plays that win games or a spectacular flameout.

The point is not to criticize risk. In business there are only two things you can do as risk is part of the game and favors those who approach it smartly. You have to mitigate the risk and look at the worst case scenario. The risk is mitigated by Peterson, Fitz, and Bowles. The worst case sceanrio is that he is a 3rd round bust.

You remember Buster Davis and Johnny Rutledge? Me either. In any draft you are going to miss on at least 3-4 guys and where 1st and 2nd are guys you count on guys to star or start, 3rd rounders are much more of a crap shoot.

I applaud the Cardinals. And I think this is going to payoff. Maybe not long term because I believe thats what happened to TM in the first place. He was JAG, and then he exploded onto the scene and was one of the 3 most popular college players in 2011 and a Heisman finalist replete with a cool nick name.

He didnt know how to handle it and has admitted as much. He got caught up in the hype and then started to detest the fame a bit (again why he doesnt like the nickname) and turned to marijuana. Not assaulting people. Not driving drunk. Marijuana.

Now if he achieves that success again? Well there are no guarantees but I feel damn good Peterson, Minter, and Fitz will up the odds he doesnt relapse.

And even if we only get in good season before he falls out of the league like Richard Dumas?

Oh well. Thats more then we got out of Buster Davis and that pick was made without any of the upside....

This would have been the safe pick.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/blidi-wreh-wilson?id=2539219
I like the risk much better.

 

[john h]

I'd be fine taking him with our second if Keim thinks he can play some safety for us.

No doubt about it this guy can play footballl at an NFL level. No doubt he has issues off the field. Played for the best defensive team in the nation I think. He could be an immediate starter if he does not end up in jail. It is a worthwhile gamble.

 

[jw7]

Yup. I remember when Randy Moss slipped all the way to #21 or so because of issues. He turned out OK.

Many players that have problems don't recover and that's the exception.

If it was a 1st round pick, I'd say heck no, but it is a 3rd. I'm fine with the risk and potential upside.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yup. I remember when Randy Moss slipped all the way to #21 or so because of issues. He turned out OK.

Many players that have problems don't recover and that's the exception.

If it was a 1st round pick, I'd say heck no, but it is a 3rd. I'm fine with the risk and potential upside.

If I were callous enough to wager on a person's life, I'd bet against Tyrann staying straight. But every 3rd round pick is a gamble and very few have the payoff potential of this guy. I'd still rather have not made this gamble till the 4th but I'm not all that disappointed they felt the need to do it a round earlier. I hope the best for the kid, life is tough enough without having to deal with his baggage.

Steve

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The things that concern me with TM is the entourage that he has. The old so called friends that are there for the party and his money. He will need to separate himself from them.

Get a proper money management team set up so he doesn't get tempted to throw his money away. Major distraction for guy like him.

Stay away from the wrong crowd that does dope. He has to make that decision and stick to it to have a successful NFL career.

It's possible and with PP helping him it will help. The rest is up to him.

Is he ready? For us fans and the team's sake I hope so.

 

[Red Dawn]

The things that concern me with TM is the entourage that he has. The old so called friends that are there for the party and his money. He will need to separate himself from them.

For all we know that was his church group celebrating with him.

 

[Buckybird]

If I were callous enough to wager on a person's life, I'd bet against Tyrann staying straight. But every 3rd round pick is a gamble and very few have the payoff potential of this guy. I'd still rather have not made this gamble till the 4th but I'm not all that disappointed they felt the need to do it a round earlier. I hope the best for the kid, life is tough enough without having to deal with his baggage.

Steve

I totally agree with this.

IMO a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick should be considered a starter once you've made that selection. This kid can't play FS in this league at his size! It's just not gonna happen IMO...he's strictly a nickel CB & I not drafting a nickel CB in rd 3 regardless of his talent & skills.

I hope I'm wrong but this kid has the odds stacked wayyyyyy against him & he hasn't even put on a uni yet. Drugs, huge entourage of family waiting with open palms & actions that scream "it's all about me", scare the crap out of me about him as an NFL player!!!

I would've gambled on Armstead or Glennon in Rd 3 before the Pothead Badger.

 

[Mulli]

I totally agree with this.

IMO a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick should be considered a starter once you've made that selection. This kid can't play FS in this league at his size! It's just not gonna happen IMO...he's strictly a nickel CB & I not drafting a nickel CB in rd 3 regardless of his talent & skills.

I hope I'm wrong but this kid has the odds stacked wayyyyyy against him & he hasn't even put on a uni yet. Drugs, huge entourage of family waiting with open palms & actions that scream "it's all about me", scare the crap out of me about him as an NFL player!!!

I would've gambled on Armstead or Glennon in Rd 3 before the Pothead Badger.

Isn't that always a concern? Maybe not the drugs, but what player doesn't have people looking to cash in?

 

[clif]

Weed is weed. It is illegal and against the rules. He should have stopped, but lets just be glad for his sakes that he didn't try harder stuff. He will be fine or he will be out of the league. No biggie.

 

[john h]

wow .... didn't know that ..... he's being talked about on a seattle forum I post at and here are my thoughts for him joining the seahawks

I wonder how many NFL players have smoked pot in their lives.

As for honey badger, no thanks ..... he could be a phenomenal slot corner, but the guy is a complete mental midget and his upside isn't worth the more likely downside

If he's there in the 5th or something, then sure ..... anything before that, please no

Now with the additional information he wasn't making meetings, not a good thing at all ..... he really seems like someone who just doesn't get it and doesn't respond well to pressure situations

I wonder how many NFL players have smoked pot in their lives. I have never smoked tobacco or pot. I have had my share of beers and watching guys who drink to much I often wonder if that is as bad for you as pot? We know smoking cigarettes is very dangers for your life. I just hope the Honey Badger is on the right path now. The worst that can happen is we cut him and somehow I doubt even he is that dumb. Several of his team mates on the Cards stood up for him so that is good enough for me. I know this the guy can play a mean DB and was once consider a candidate for the Heisman while in the SEC. Great risky pick but one worth taking.

 

[crisper57]

Well, I predicted he'd be the steal of the draft, but I did not see him going in the 3rd.

Cards usually stay away from low-character guys, but then again, the Cards usually lose. So I guess helping him find the right path and cashing in on his talent could be a win-win. I just hope he doesn't drag the team down with him if he stumbles.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I totally agree with this.

IMO a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick should be considered a starter once you've made that selection. This kid can't play FS in this league at his size! It's just not gonna happen IMO...he's strictly a nickel CB & I not drafting a nickel CB in rd 3 regardless of his talent & skills.

I hope I'm wrong but this kid has the odds stacked wayyyyyy against him & he hasn't even put on a uni yet. Drugs, huge entourage of family waiting with open palms & actions that scream "it's all about me", scare the crap out of me about him as an NFL player!!!

I would've gambled on Armstead or Glennon in Rd 3 before the Pothead Badger.

Stevie Brown 5'11"
Jairus Byrd 5'10"
Bob Sanders 5'8"
Rhonde Barber 5'10"
Ed Reid 5'11"
Major Wright 5'11"
Quintin Mikell 5'10"
Jamarca Sanford 5'10"

Might be more, but didn't feel like looking any longer. I assume these are all starters because I got the names from the leaders in FF and interceptions. Anyways TM at 5'9" is tall enough to play safety, but may need to put on a few pounds.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If the Arizona Cardinals are planning to demand that Tyrann Mathieu accept a deal with no guaranteed money, they’d better be ready for a protracted contract dispute.

Responding to the talk that the Cardinals weren’t planning to give Mathieu any guarantees on his rookie deal, agent Patrick Lawlor said exactly what he should say: Mathieu would refuse such a deal.

“Ridiculous. Not gonna happen. We had no contract discussion with them,” Lawlor told Ian Rapoport of NFL Network.

There are risks associated with Mathieu because of the multiple failed drug tests that got him kicked off the team at LSU, but the Cardinals understood those risks and selected Mathieu with the 69th pick in the NFL draft anyway. Mathieu has already paid a price for his drug use because his draft stock dropped as a result of those failed drug tests. The idea that Mathieu has to accept a substandard contract on top of that is, in fact, ridiculous.

Mathieu’s agent says no contract without guaranteed money

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Mathieu’s agent says no contract without guaranteed money

As he shouldn't that's ridiculous.

There can be clauses on behavior and NFL code of conduct violations (understandable) but like all football players guaranteed money comes down to protection from INJURY. And Honey Badger should hve the same level protection there as everyone else.

I mean Jesus I'm all good with the NFL contract structures etc but lets draw a line here. In the MLB and NBA these contracts would all be fully guaranteed (and trust me 40% of the NBA smokes as much or more weed then TM) so there's a difference between protecting yourself as an organization and not giving any guaranteed money.

If this was leaked by the Cardinals to Peter King I'm embarrassed for them

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I would've gambled on Armstead or Glennon in Rd 3 before the Pothead Badger.

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