UA @ ASU basketball game

[green machine]

Originally posted by Cland
What a joke that is. Stoops has done nothing to warrant a statment like this except to be the brother of a great college coach.

There is the hope that Stoops will be a good coach who will rebuild our program. With Koetter, what is there???

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by green machine
There is the hope that Stoops will be a good coach who will rebuild our program. With Koetter, what is there???

Sounds like Stoops is still trying to coack OK.

Bickley reported that Stoops is helping prepare OK for their game tonight.

Didn't Stoops just sign a multi-million deal with UofA?

I guess there's no emergency to get things righted in Tucson...

 

[Lefty]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Yawn.

The 4th team in the nation beat an unranked team in it's own conference. If they're not in-state rivals, this isn't even a story.

If ASU had won it would have been a huge upset.

UofA won a game it should have won. Congrats.

You still gotta love the chant by the ASU fans: "Tucson sucks!"

You gotta love the chant by the UofA fans, "Not in our house!" That was classic.

It is pretty pathetic when a visiting team comes in your arena and over 40% of the place is filled with their fans. And to make it worse the home team gets punked on national television.

I wonder if the ASU fans will continue to think the gap is closing?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Originally posted by sly fly
Sounds like Stoops is still trying to coack OK.

Bickley reported that Stoops is helping prepare OK for their game tonight.

Didn't Stoops just sign a multi-million deal with UofA?

I guess there's no emergency to get things righted in Tucson...

Good. I hope he is. It's a dead time in recruiting anyway and him being there on the sidelines assisting the team with a Cats hat and shirt on is going to do nothing but gain more publicity and exposure for the UA football program. That's going to go a long way with recruits, boosters, and the national media.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
I think the Defensive Coordinator of a National Champion has proven more than some guy who has never won a bowl game.

Now you are just being ridiculous.

He hasn't been the head guy like Koetter has, and now he's leaving to go to a second rate football program in a second rate city.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Zona90


I wonder if the ASU fans will continue to think the gap is closing?

What fans? We at ASU couldn't care any less about basketball.

Baseball and football are the programs we care about.

 

[WizardOfAz]

The ASU Athletic Department should use the U of A basketball game as a fund raiser - similar to what they did when Nebraska played at SDS.

Make the tickets $10 more for this game and raise an extra $150,000 for a department that is still in the red. Most ASU friends/alum do not really care about basketball anyway and this crowd is always a "home" game for U of A anyways, so make them pay a little extra.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
What fans? We at ASU couldn't care any less about basketball.

Baseball and football are the programs we care about.

How convenient.

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Now you are just being ridiculous.

He hasn't been the head guy like Koetter has, and now he's leaving to go to a second rate football program in a second rate city.

I'd rather bring in a National Championship DC than be stuck with a head coach who took a first rate program and turned into a second rate one.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Renz
I'd rather bring in a National Championship DC than be stuck with a head coach who took a first rate program and turned into a second rate one.

But you guys still have that crappy roster......that won't change for a few years at least, and it could severely hamstring Stoops and cause him to fail.

At least we have a top Qb, a stable of pretty good (not great) backs, a few good WRs, a few good tight ends, and a decent offensive line.

Now the defense is a huge question mark, and I'm not sold that we can contend with it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SirChaz
How convenient.

It is convenient, all schools are like that, unless they exist in second rate cities that don't have much to do but watch college sports.

I wouldn't go to Tucson if you paid for my tuition and paid me $2,000 a month (for a college student, that's a lot of money ). Not only do I get to go to ASU (I'm within walking distance) but I can drive 15 minutes to Suns/DBacks games, and walk to Cards games. Can't do that in Tuck-son.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
It is convenient, all schools are like that, unless they exist in second rate cities that don't have much to do but watch college sports.

I wouldn't go to Tucson if you paid for my tuition and paid me $2,000 a month (for a college student, that's a lot of money ). Not only do I get to go to ASU (I'm within walking distance) but I can drive 15 minutes to Suns/DBacks games, and walk to Cards games. Can't do that in Tuck-son.

There is only less interest in basketball because they are not very good. I might have interest in watching ASU basketball if they were interesting to watch. For what I have seen of the Rob Evans era is more attitude but not much better basketball.
Maybe he just needs to have some of the new recruits a little longer.
They will never be a top national team unless they decide to play somebody during the non conference schedule.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But you guys still have that crappy roster......that won't change for a few years at least, and it could severely hamstring Stoops and cause him to fail.

At least we have a top Qb, a stable of pretty good (not great) backs, a few good WRs, a few good tight ends, and a decent offensive line.

Now the defense is a huge question mark, and I'm not sold that we can contend with it.

It's not like we have been that far behind ASU as far as recruiting goes. You act as if absolutely no talent came to Tucson. Mackovic actually didn't recruit all that bad considering how crappy of a coach he was. Neither school is on the level of Oklahoma, LSU, SC, or the Florida schools but I'd give Stoops a better chance of accomplishing that since he has been in one of those programs and was a integral part in rebuilding it.

BTW, I am from Phoenix and Tucson does suck. I just found UA to be a better place to go to college (college only, you couldn't pay me to live there after colllege) than an almost commuter school at ASU. UA seems to have more of a college atmosphere than Tempe. But hell we could probably argue UA vs. ASU forever.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Yawn.

The 4th team in the nation beat an unranked team in it's own conference. If they're not in-state rivals, this isn't even a story.

If ASU had won it would have been a huge upset.

UofA won a game it should have won. Congrats.

You still gotta love the chant by the ASU fans: "Tucson sucks!"

You do? I'm a HUGE avalanche fan, and Im EMBARRASED when the crowd chants "Red Wings Suck!" Its so lame!

(fill in the blank) sucks has got to be the lamest taunt in the history of professional sports. What you REALLY gotta love is being up by 26 and being able to point the scoreboard when obnoxious fans are swearing up a blue streak at you.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
What fans? We at ASU couldn't care any less about basketball.

Baseball and football are the programs we care about.

Speaks volumes

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Now you are just being ridiculous.

He hasn't been the head guy like Koetter has, and now he's leaving to go to a second rate football program in a second rate city.

In a third rate state. Whats yer point?

 

[Chaz]

Norm Frauenheim
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 4, 2004 12:00 AM


For Arizona coach Lute Olson, it was a milestone.

For Arizona State, it was a memo.

From tip-off to postgame tempest, Arizona's 93-74 rout of ASU at Wells Fargo Arena on Saturday was a notch in Olson's Hall of Fame career that the Sun Devils would rather forget.

Olson's 700th victory was a thorough and unmistakable reminder that not a lot has changed. Arizona won a laugher. Fans in ASU's student section were amused. They screamed in anger, or perhaps frustration.

In Olson's 20-plus years at Arizona, he had seen it before. Heard it before.

But this time, he had an answer. Actually, it was more of a gesture from a coach who must have been feeling a little infallible after joining the 700 club.

With 3:21 left and the Wildcats leading by 26 points, he pointed to the scoreboard.

Enough said, although Olson had plenty more to say.

"I've put up with learning all kinds of new words from the student section over the years," Olson said. "I thought that probably you should learn to keep your mouth closed when you are down by 30-something points."

Olson was off by four-something points in perhaps Arizona's only mistake all day. But he wasn't finished. Far from it.

"I've been called every name that you can be called, and I think it's frankly disgusting," Olson said. "They deserved that and more. That didn't keep them hushed. In fact, it got me more. But at least I felt better."

As it turned out, Olson's exchange with students in a crowd of 14,518 was the game's only real drama. The Sun Devils (6-4) didn't provide any.

They trailed by 34 a few minutes before Olson's gesture was prompted by bleeping chants from students who booed him for getting a technical foul in a runaway game.

He was assessed the technical by Tommy Nuñez Jr. of Phoenix when he complained that officials were favoring ASU's Ike Diogu as though he were Michael Jordan.

Diogu wasn't getting favorable treatment anywhere else. The No. 4 Wildcats (9-1) relied on their great quickness and superior talent to limit Diogu.

"Ike was open some, but we just didn't get the basketball to him," Sun Devils coach Rob Evans said in a comment that is quickly becoming a theme for ASU's season. "He was working in there pretty good, but we need to get the ball to him."

Olson said that Arizona's defense had targeted Diogu, who finished with 18 points and 11 rebounds, but was limited to 5-for-17 shooting.

The Sun Devils had no counter for the wealth of talent that Arizona possesses at every other position. Arizona center Channing Frye, a former St. Mary's star, played Diogu to at least a standstill with 17 points.

But forwards Andre Iguodala and Hassan Adams, playmaker Mustafa Shakur, shooting guard Salim Stoudamire and reserve forward Ivan Radenovic almost seemed to toy with the Sun Devils.

Stoudamire wound up as the leading scorer with 26 points, but it could have been anybody among Arizona's seven-man rotation. From the baseline to the three-point line, somebody always seemed to be one step ahead of any ASU defender.

"We lost the best shooter on the court in transition," Evans said.

And everywhere else.

The Wildcats shot 56.1 percent.

During a timeout with 8:40 left, Iguodala grabbed a towel and waved at Stoudamire as if he were trying to cool a hot hand.

It was a gesture, perhaps more appropriate for ASU.

By then, the Sun Devils were trailing by 31. Iguodala should have thrown them the towel. Then they could have thrown it in.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Zona90
You gotta love the chant by the UofA fans, "Not in our house!" That was classic.

It is pretty pathetic when a visiting team comes in your arena and over 40% of the place is filled with their fans. And to make it worse the home team gets punked on national television.

I wonder if the ASU fans will continue to think the gap is closing?

1. ASU has played better in Tucson in recent years than they have at Wells Fargo. 4 of the last 5 games at Wells Fargo, the Cats have won by 20 or more, and ASU won once.

2. UofA bandwagon is huge. That and the all of the real UofA fans that went to school there, but left that dumpy dustbowl of a town as soon as they had a diploma in their hands.

3. When did we say that? I'm an ASU fan and it's frustrating that Evans does not have us in Tournament shape every year. He's been a big disappointment.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
What fans? We at ASU couldn't care any less about basketball.

Baseball and football are the programs we care about.

Speak for yourself. I'm an ASU grad and I've been frustrated for years that we can't put together a consistant basketball program.

I don't care if it's water polo. I want the Devils to look prepared and compete at a high level.

It's ridiculous that ASU can't get better recruits. Ike will help, and so will Serge when he's healthy, but we're not going to make the 64 with 2 blue chips and a ton of JC transfers.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Zona90
And to make it worse the home team gets punked on national television.

Was it on national television? I was at work and had to listen on the radio. Was it on FoxSportsAz?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Was it on national television? I was at work and had to listen on the radio. Was it on FoxSportsAz?

Also ASU had a bunch of pretty highly ranked potential recruits in watching the game in person. It was a high risk/reward thing by Evans and the rest of the program that blew up in their faces. Can't say the recruits could have been impressed by the ass-whooping and an arena 1/2 full of Cats fans.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by schutd
In a third rate state. Whats yer point?

Some of that typical New York snobbery....

I see it all the time from everyone I know out here from New York. When I lived there, my family couldn't wait to get the hell out.

All the pollution, the ********, the cold weather, the crime...

Just kidding, BTW. I don't really think you are a snob, but New York happens to be filled with them...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Speak for yourself.

No, I speak for at least 80% of current and previous (Alumni) students. The apathy is very strong; I laugh when UofA fans actually mock us for having a subpar basketball program.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
You still gotta love the chant by the ASU fans: "Tucson sucks!"

I guess when that's the only card left to play.....I would have rather seen a better showing given the regional TV audience and the number of recruits in the arena.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
It's not like we have been that far behind ASU as far as recruiting goes. You act as if absolutely no talent came to Tucson. Mackovic actually didn't recruit all that bad considering how crappy of a coach he was. Neither school is on the level of Oklahoma, LSU, SC, or the Florida schools but I'd give Stoops a better chance of accomplishing that since he has been in one of those programs and was a integral part in rebuilding it.

BTW, I am from Phoenix and Tucson does suck. I just found UA to be a better place to go to college (college only, you couldn't pay me to live there after colllege) than an almost commuter school at ASU. UA seems to have more of a college atmosphere than Tempe. But hell we could probably argue UA vs. ASU forever.

The rosters ARE that far off, and only a UofA homer wouldn't recognize that, especially at key positions like QB.

UofA has very little talent, which is why pretty much every team they faced destroyed them by 40 points. Wow, you have a real short memory!!!!!

ASU doesn't have top ranked talent, but it's still significantly better than UofLame's talent, and it will take Mike Stoopids at least one recruiting period to catch up.

Frankly, both schools are in horrible recruiting positions; we have to recruit against Texas and California schools, and also Washington, Oregon, etc.

I agree that ASU's college atomosphere is lacking. I have been really disappointed by it.