UA & Pac-12 Basketball Thread

[TJ]

Confirmed: Ashley is out for the season.

Korchek is going to get some some run, now. I also expect to see Pitts play some.

Wow, this sucks. At least we have ~10 games to get them ready for real competition.

 

[Russ Smith]

Confirmed: Ashley is out for the season.

Korchek is going to get some some run, now. I also expect to see Pitts play some.

Wow, this sucks. At least we have ~10 games to get them ready for real competition.

Definitely sucks for UA you're still very good but the dropoff from Ashley to Korcheck is pretty large.

Wonder if Ashley comes back next year now, everyone seemed to be assuming he was leaving but if the foot just got hurt one wonders if he'll be healthy enough to workout for NBA teams.

I would assume when he heads home to Dublin after the season he'll have a lot more to decide than he would have if he'd never gotten hurt.

 

[TJ]

Free throws......smh

 

[TJ]

I'm going to repeat this until Larry Scott gets a clue: it is a technical foul when bench players storm the court before time has expired.
Never mind the fans who do so.

Call it once, then it will subsequently cost someone the game, and it won't happen again.

 

[HooverDam]

I'm going to repeat this until Larry Scott gets a clue: it is a technical foul when bench players storm the court before time has expired.
Never mind the fans who do so.

Call it once, then it will subsequently cost someone the game, and it won't happen again.

Oh please. So Boris and Amare were rightfully suspended by the NBA back in the day? You need to have a little common sense with these rules, let them be interpreted by intelligent adults. This black and white, by the book thing, isn't how life works and its not how sports should work either.

If players take a few steps onto the court when everyone on earth thought the game was over (don't act like it was so easy to have the presence of mind to know there was .7 seconds left) and then get back under control and there's no adverse effect, you let that ride.

Don't bitch about Jahii hanging on the rim, or people storming the court. Its being a spoil sport to beg the refs to bail you out. UofA had more talent and better coaching, they should've won, they didn't. They can blame themselves, not the refs.

 

[TJ]

Oh please. So Boris and Amare were rightfully suspended by the NBA back in the day? You need to have a little common sense with these rules, let them be interpreted by intelligent adults. This black and white, by the book thing, isn't how life works and its not how sports should work either.



If players take a few steps onto the court when everyone on earth thought the game was over (don't act like it was so easy to have the presence of mind to know there was .7 seconds left) and then get back under control and there's no adverse effect, you let that ride.



Don't bitch about Jahii hanging on the rim, or people storming the court. Its being a spoil sport to beg the refs to bail you out. UofA had more talent and better coaching, they should've won, they didn't. They can blame themselves, not the refs.

You really are apart of the lowest common denominator.

Few steps, huh? Not hanging from the basket, huh?

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[TJ]

Also Hoover,

You should be proud of how your fans conducted themselves on national television.

You want to shed the stigma of being the most classless fans in America? Well, you took a step backwards. Again.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Who cares about the techs? We probably would have missed the FT's anyways. Its a pyhrric victory for ASU anyways as it probably earns Herb another eight years in Tempe while we're going to remain a top 10 program that entire time.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That being said the Pac-12 does need to punish teams for rushing the court early. Can't control idiot fans but it will cause big PR problems down the road when players who aren't playing are allowed on the court during regulation time. Don't expect much from that embarrassment Larry Scott though. That's twice in 3 weeks.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Oh please. So Boris and Amare were rightfully suspended by the NBA back in the day? You need to have a little common sense with these rules, let them be interpreted by intelligent adults. This black and white, by the book thing, isn't how life works and its not how sports should work either.

If players take a few steps onto the court when everyone on earth thought the game was over (don't act like it was so easy to have the presence of mind to know there was .7 seconds left) and then get back under control and there's no adverse effect, you let that ride.

Don't bitch about Jahii hanging on the rim, or people storming the court. Its being a spoil sport to beg the refs to bail you out. UofA had more talent and better coaching, they should've won, they didn't. They can blame themselves, not the refs.

Please. If McConnell had made that last layup and the UofA bench streamed onto the court with a couple ticks on the clock while ASU was inbounding you'd have screamed bloody murder.

And yes Doris and Stat deserved their suspensions. They and more notably the coaching staff were complete morons for ignoring a rule that had been in place for literally over a decade and had been enforced to the letter of the law countless times. In the case of tonight the refs never enforce it so I understand it not getting called. But its only a matter of time such a non-call will cause a pretty bad PR hit on this conference.

 

[TJ]

Who cares about the techs? We probably would have missed the FT's anyways. Its a pyhrric victory for ASU anyways as it probably earns Herb another eight years in Tempe while we're going to remain a top 10 program that entire time.

1) Sendek just locked up a new deal, tonight. One silver lining to take from this.

2) I hate court rushing and poor sportsmanship. Jahii and his merry band of idiots encapsulated that in a span of 3 seconds. It speaks to a bigger issue of player, coach, and fan safety when a bunch of drunken coeds storm aimlessly onto the area of play. When USC upset Stanford in football this season, three people were sent to the hospital for various injuries.

3) Free throw shooting is abysmal. When Gordon goes 1/2 from the line, his FT% increases. That's disconcerting.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Court and field storming should be stopped in all its forms for sure. Only a matter of time before someone gets hurt especially with how bad fans have gotten. Good news is we've been above that in basketball for several decades. Not so much in football.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think the refs really ate the whistle and then did a total CYA saying they had stopped play when the fans rushed the court so there was no T.

Clearly Carson hung on the rim before the fans rushed. One of his teammates was actually intentionally staying below him figuring they won't call the T if he's protecting himself. Then he does the pullup and Barnes rushes in and yanks him down. That HAS to be a T. I understand being excited but you can't do a pullup on the rim like that.

The court rushing stuff is tougher, you can't control fans. I don't see any looks that show if UA had players on the court too, there's just so much to look at and by that time the refs had clearly stopped it so you have to determine when the ASU players came out.

But I was stunned they didn't call a T on Carson what a completely dumb play just dribble it out and it's over.

What a brutal offensive game though, I realize both teams are really good on D and block and change lots of shots but my goodness. ASU's entire offense was Jahii dribbles and then someone forces up a shot. UA's entire offense was Tarc walks around the court setting as many moving screens as possible until someone gets open. That one where Gordon got the layup he took out 2 ASU players with one moving screen. It was so comical that Bachynski actually hooked him and tried to throw him down trying to get the attention of the ref there. Then they got down the other end and Tarc tried to do the same thing to Bacynski and they didn't call that either. People used to complain about Mata and Aboya's moving screens for UCLA, Tarc was doing it at a magical level last night. At one point I counted 15 illegal screens by him in about 4 possessions, you could see the entire ASU bench screaming about it to the refs.

Gordon really lost his composure last night too, the intentional fouling of Carson when he lost the rebound to him, grabbing Bachynski, actually twice before they called it. Even Nick Johnson went over and headbutted him in the chest trying to calm him down.

I think the refs totally lost control of that game there were 3 times as many fouls as they actually called.

But I do think Miller has every right to feel the refs blew the ending.

 

[Absolute Zero]

"It was one heck of a game," Miller said. "Someone has to win, someone has to lose. Unfortunately, we're the loser."

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Sean Miller is the biggest winner this state currently has in the sports world. As they say the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then. Have fun with Herb for another decade, we'll enjoy being a top 10 program.

 

[TJ]

Court and field storming should be stopped in all its forms for sure. Only a matter of time before someone gets hurt especially with how bad fans have gotten. Good news is we've been above that in basketball for several decades. Not so much in football.

I honestly think it'll take a big name coach like Coach K or a big name player like Wiggins to be lost for the season (ACL style) before any significant change is made. Like when Tom Brady was injured on a low tackle the first game of 2008. That prompted change almost immediately.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Sean Miller is the biggest winner this state currently has in the sports world. As they say the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then. Have fun with Herb for another decade, we'll enjoy being a top 10 program.

Wow, sorry I offended you with quoting your coach. Miller is indeed doing a great job. Light years ahead of us on the Court. Stay classy.

 

[jw7]

I'm not at all disappointed in Gordon. Honestly, there really isn't anything to be disappointed about. He's an athletic freak, plays with tremendous energy, and can defend almost every position with the exception of point guards. My only gripe about Gordon is his free throw shooting. Other than that, he's a very large piece in the puzzle that comprises this team.

That's exactly it. You can't be on a tournament team and shoot 41.5% from the line. That is a team-killer, especially in tight tourney games.

 

[TJ]

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10468662

So basically, PAC admits they botched the non-call on Csrson's dunk and fans are permitted to come onto the court whenever there's a stoppage in play.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

They just mentioned the review on the news. UA should have gotten two free throws, then the ball back. They didn't say where the ball would be inbounded, though. Do you guys know?

 

[Russ Smith]

They just mentioned the review on the news. UA should have gotten two free throws, then the ball back. They didn't say where the ball would be inbounded, though. Do you guys know?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. NBA they advance it, college I don't think they do but not sure at all.

Still at worst for ASU it's a 1 point lead with some time left but it should have been called.

 

[TJ]

Arizona basketball is no longer for the faint of heart. If you're gonna follow this team for the rest of the season, be sure to have your defibrillator handy.

The game against Utah could've been put away early, but Arizona decided that rebounding was optional as was attacking the basket. Thank God for Hollis-Jefferson, who came up HUUUGE in OT.

Bring on CU and their cocky bastard Xavier Johnson...

 

[Russ Smith]

Arizona basketball is no longer for the faint of heart. If you're gonna follow this team for the rest of the season, be sure to have your defibrillator handy.

The game against Utah could've been put away early, but Arizona decided that rebounding was optional as was attacking the basket. Thank God for Hollis-Jefferson, who came up HUUUGE in OT.

Bring on CU and their cocky bastard Xavier Johnson...

That was an amazing display of free throw defense, 86% shooter back rims 4 in a row and then makes the one he should have missed on purpose. The key play was Tarc getting his hands up making Wright throw the pass higher to Bachynski and he airmailed it out of bounds. If that pass connects its a dunk and a tie game.

anybody else think since Ashley got hurt, Rondae appears to be the best freshman on the team not Gordon?

12PPG 7 RPG just over 50% from the floor.

Gordon is 9.5 PPG under 50% 8 RPG and the shooting stuff is with teams not guarding him daring him to shoot.

They're both very good defenders I happen to think Rondae is better.

Pro prospect I'd take Gordon he's bigger and younger, neither have a pure NBA position but both will make it. But right now I'm not convinced Rondae isn't the better player.

 

[TJ]

RHJ is the more impactful freshman of the two. Without RHJ, we don't win last night, and we went 15+ minutes w/o Gordon and still won.

RHJ just has that junkyard mentality like Jared Dudley had when he was a Sun. Does all of the dirty work, gets hustle rebounds, and is aggressive under the basket. Plus, he is a great on-ball defender. If he can develop a jump shot, he can be a star in the NBA.

 

[Russ Smith]

RHJ is the more impactful freshman of the two. Without RHJ, we don't win last night, and we went 15+ minutes w/o Gordon and still won.

RHJ just has that junkyard mentality like Jared Dudley had when he was a Sun. Does all of the dirty work, gets hustle rebounds, and is aggressive under the basket. Plus, he is a great on-ball defender. If he can develop a jump shot, he can be a star in the NBA.

His physical transformation is impressive too. You look at the HS videos he has the gumby haircut and is a skinny guy handling the ball like a PG. Now he's a grown ass man throwing his body around in there against bigger guys.

He's one of those guys who has a very unorthodox style that leads to him getting fouled often. He doesn't jump straight up off the dribble or step, he will jump forward, sideways, back etc. Just one of those guys who knows where the defender is and uses his body to both shield the defender, and draw contact.

He's on my list of non UCLA P-12 players I love to watch play. Along with Elgin Cook at Oregon, Kreklow at Cal, and I'm really starting to like Hallice Cook at OSU he's going to be an all conference guard at some point.