Undefeated Super Bowl QBs with multiple rings

[green machine]

I know what you mean but there is no way to guess at how the entire 2nd half would have gone. A pick-6 to end the half is far different than a pick-6 to effectively end the game. Neither are good of course but being in a hole is far different than having the door shut in your face.

Unfortunately for Manning, that play only reinforces the stigma that is already attached to him. Many other HOF QB's have lost Super Bowls but it's uncommon for one of them to throw the game away like that. The "great" ones drive down and tie or win the game in that situation. Throwing that pick-6 will hold far more significance in Manning's career than it would someone else's.

It won't remove him from greatness but that type of play in that type of game is going to stick.

7 points is 7 points, Warner's pick was just as bad. The only difference is when it happened. Each were bad mistakes that cost their team dearly.

Neither should have any impact on how the QBs are remembered, though, as getting to the Super Bowl and not winning should not be used as an indictment.

 

[Duckjake]

NFL SB winners:
85-Bears 15-1
86-Giants
87-Redskins (strike shortened season)

The NFC was the tough conference.

1986 Giants. One Bad A defense. Went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl with Phil Simms throwing more INTs than Tds and having a passer rating under 75. One of the most overrated QBs of all time. Just goes to show what having a big game and winning one SB does for a QB.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

7 points is 7 points, Warner's pick was just as bad. The only difference is when it happened. Each were bad mistakes that cost their team dearly.

Neither should have any impact on how the QBs are remembered, though, as getting to the Super Bowl and not winning should not be used as an indictment.

Making the mistake early is probably better than making the mistake late in the game. The Cardinals were still able to take the lead late and had a chance to win, but the Colts were done after that pick 6.

 

[green machine]

Making the mistake early is probably better than making the mistake late in the game. The Cardinals were still able to take the lead late and had a chance to win, but the Colts were done after that pick 6.

7 points is 7 points. In fact, one could argue Warner's mistake was worth 14 points given that not only did the Steelers get points, but the Cardinals did not when it seemed like they were certain to get some.

At any rate, this isn't about Warner or anything. Just saying a mistake is a mistake, but these are two great QBs who should not have tarnished legacies because of it.

 

[Ronin]

As great as Montana was the 49ers still went one and done 3 years in a row in the post season. '85,86,'87.

Shows how tough it is in the postseason in the NFL.

....and if JoeCool didn't get injured in the 1990 NFC Championship game.

The 49ers would've won three straight Superbowls.

 

[chickenhead]

1986 Giants. One Bad A defense. Went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl with Phil Simms throwing more INTs than Tds and having a passer rating under 75. One of the most overrated QBs of all time. Just goes to show what having a big game and winning one SB does for a QB.

Following the above, I'd settle for Leinart becoming our Phil Simms!

But nack to Manning, I don't think the pick 6 tarnishes Manning's legacy much. It was the only turnover of the game, and he's taken his team to two Super Bowls in 4 years, and led his team to one of the better overall eras with a lot of significant roster changes and a big coaching change. He won't be confused with Montana in the Super Bowl, but I think at the end of the day his legacy is secure.

 

[Duckjake]

....and if JoeCool didn't get injured in the 1990 NFC Championship game.

The 49ers would've won three straight Superbowls.

If Charlie Johnson didn't get injured every year or called off to military duty the Cardinals would have won 3 NFL Championships in 4 years.

 

[ajcardfan]

Following the above, I'd settle for Leinart becoming our Phil Simms!

But nack to Manning, I don't think the pick 6 tarnishes Manning's legacy much. It was the only turnover of the game, and he's taken his team to two Super Bowls in 4 years, and led his team to one of the better overall eras with a lot of significant roster changes and a big coaching change. He won't be confused with Montana in the Super Bowl, but I think at the end of the day his legacy is secure.

I think it does hurt him. Remember, a very common opinion of Manning, until that win over the Bears, was that he choked under pressure. (It even started in his college days. When Manning decided to play his senior season, Steve Spurrier said, "Well, he must really like playing in the Outback Bowl." ) Those rumbles have come back, and they won't go away until he wins another trophy. Is that fair? No, but that's how it is when you are so built up by the media. Others can't wait to tear you down.

 

[Ronin]

If Charlie Johnson didn't get injured every year or called off to military duty the Cardinals would have won 3 NFL Championships in 4 years.

Who the heck is? or what is Charlie Johnson?

 

[Ronin]

If Charlie Johnson didn't get injured every year or called off to military duty the Cardinals would have won 3 NFL Championships in 4 years.

Did Charlie Johnson ever point out John Candy standing on the sidelines during the superbowl, and right after doing that... lead his team to game winning touchdown?

 

[Duckjake]

Did Charlie Johnson ever point out John Candy standing on the sidelines during the superbowl, and right after doing that... lead his team to game winning touchdown?

Charlie Johnson was so great that he is in the Denver Broncos Ring of Fame and he only played for them for 4 of his 15 NFL seasons.

If it hadn't been for his injuries the Super Bowl trophy would be the "Winner" trophy named after Charley Winner. Charley Winner was the appropriately named HC of the Cards who ironically had at least one tie game every year he was coach of the Cards and his record as Cardinal coach was 44-44-5.

 

[Duckjake]

Who the heck is? or what is Charlie Johnson?

Funny that you say that. It's similar to what my 15 year old son said when he heard the guys on the Super Bowl pre game show mention Joe Montana.

"Who the heck was Joe Montana?" "Some guy from the Western Channel?"

The neighbor kid thought Jerry Rice was a new fat free snack.

My niece thought Roger Craig was a guy who used to have a neighborhood.

 

[Ronin]

Charlie Johnson was so great that he is in the Denver Broncos Ring of Fame and he only played for them for 4 of his 15 NFL seasons.

I know who Charlie Johnson is!
I looked him up on Wikipedia!
Played for NMSU!

 

[Ronin]

Funny that you say that. It's similar to what my 15 year old son said when he heard the guys on the Super Bowl pre game show mention Joe Montana.

"Who the heck was Joe Montana?" "Some guy from the Western Channel?"

The neighbor kid thought Jerry Rice was a new fat free snack.

My niece thought Roger Craig was a guy who used to have a neighborhood.

You should introduce them to youtube or wikipedia? It's not that difficult...

 

[Duckjake]

You should introduce them to youtube or wikipedia? It's not that difficult...

They're teenagers. They know more about Wiki and youtube than you or I put together.

Like you with Charlie Johnson they just don't know or care about guys that played before they were born. Just think, kids who were born in the last year the 49ers won more than one playoff game in a season are Sophomores in High School now. 15 years ago. Your heroes are piled on the scrap heap of NFL antiquity with the Cowboys.

Charlie Johnson btw was the only Phd to ever QB his team to a post season victory. http://www.engr.nmsu.edu/news_items/news_09_11_2_Johnson.shtml

 

[moklerman]

I think it does hurt him. Remember, a very common opinion of Manning, until that win over the Bears, was that he choked under pressure. (It even started in his college days. When Manning decided to play his senior season, Steve Spurrier said, "Well, he must really like playing in the Outback Bowl." ) Those rumbles have come back, and they won't go away until he wins another trophy. Is that fair? No, but that's how it is when you are so built up by the media. Others can't wait to tear you down.

Totally agree. It's not fair, I don't entirely agree with it but it's still the case. Much like Marino and Fouts, right now Manning's description is something like: "He's great, but..."

That's far different than if the Colts had won. Colts win and Manning is the greatest ever. They lost on his untimely turnover so he drops back to the pack and just ahead of other greats that put up a ton of stats but never won. He's better than them overall but he went from "greatest ever" to "he's great, but...". In that regard, that pick-6 did hurt his legacy.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Manning will go down as the Greatest QB ever, perhaps with Montana. The talking heads can only remember what happened yesterday, plus they can sell themselves by beating on the guy that made a mistake yesterday. Sadly, I still listen to their spewing crap. I'm really not sure why.

 

[Pariah]

right now Manning's description is something like: "He's great, but..."

But what? He's only been to two superbowls? He only has one championship? Those aren't damning facts.

 

[Duckjake]

But what? He's only been to two superbowls? He only has one championship? Those aren't damning facts.

Meanwhile Manning's team has won 12 or more games for 7 years in a row. Has any other NFL team ever done that?

 

[Ronin]

Your heroes are piled on the scrap heap of NFL antiquity with the Cowboys.

Nope, actually my heroes are piled in the Hall of Fame.
I did love the the cheer that Emmitt and Jerry Rice got before the start of the Superbowl. Seems like people did pay attention to the 80's, and 90's.

 

[Duckjake]

Nope, actually my heroes are piled in the Hall of Fame.
I did love the the cheer that Emmitt and Jerry Rice got before the start of the Superbowl. Seems like people did pay attention to the 80's, and 90's.

That's because the only people who can afford tickets to the Super Bowl are 60 year old corporate execs. Why do you think they had a band comprised of 65 year olds playing at halftime? The only people who can even remember the glory days of the 4and9ers.

 

[Ronin]

That's because the only people who can afford tickets to the Super Bowl are 60 year old corporate execs. Why do you think they had a band comprised of 65 year olds playing at halftime? The only people who can even remember the glory days of the 4and9ers.

Really?
never heard of the 4and9ers.


I have however heard of the 4TY9ers.

 

[Duckjake]

Really?
never heard of the 4and9ers.


I have however heard of the 4TY9ers.

You know. That team that plays out of San Francisco that is 4 and 9 after 13 games every season.

 

[moklerman]

But what? He's only been to two superbowls? He only has one championship? Those aren't damning facts.

Who said they were?

But just as Favre has been a great regular season QB and a...less than "great" post season QB, I don't think either will go down as the greatest ever if things stand as they are. 1-1 in Super Bowls doesn't equate to the greatest ever.

 

[Duckjake]

Who said they were?

But just as Favre has been a great regular season QB and a...less than "great" post season QB, I don't think either will go down as the greatest ever if things stand as they are. 1-1 in Super Bowls doesn't equate to the greatest ever.

1-1 in Super Bowls shouldn't equate to anything in relation to greatest QB ever.

Too many teams now. If a different team won every year your teams' second SB win would come 32 years from now. So the Saints next win would be in 2042.