Unflattering Picture of the Suns

[FArting]

http://arizonasports.com/story/5623...ing-picture-of-culture-with-the-phoenix-suns/

But I’m telling you, when people talk about the Phoenix Suns in the league, people who have to make decisions on whether they want to sign in Phoenix or whether they want to coach Phoenix, the first thing they talk about is the owner. There is damage there that needs to be rectified and it’s not going to be done in one summer.”

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Ouch.

Well, at least the Millennials love Sarver.

 

[slinslin]

Brian Windhorst is unflattering

 

[Ronin]

Anyone watch "The Jump" today?

It was fun watching Rachel Nichols, Tracy Mcgrady, and a Suns former employee (I can't remember his name)laugh at the Suns and Sarver for five minutes.

 

[BC867]

http://arizonasports.com/story/5623...ing-picture-of-culture-with-the-phoenix-suns/

“It starts at the very, very top,” Windhorst said. “You have to have stability and vision from the ownership.”

Which is why I believe, and have posted, that any changes the Suns make are not going to change its image or perception unless it $tarts at the top. It really does flow downhill.

 

[BillsCarnage]

No one should be surprised at this.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not a fan of Sarver for several reasons, but all this ink over the Morris situation is idiotic. If not for the cute "twin!" story line he would have just been another idiot NBA player that people would point to as an example of entitled athletes acting like morons.

All this press over a guy who is a genuinely bad player on the glass, a sub par defender and who shoots 45% from the field, in his best year scoring 15 points on 13 shots... something a ton of guys around the league can achieve. His biggest strength, ISO scoring in mid-range, has become generally regarded as one of the least valuable skills in basketball because its inherently inefficient.

And that all completely ignores his technicals, his attitude with the coaching staff, his statements in the press and about the fans and his arrest.

He is a decent role player who's been given the playing time and the media attention of a star... but the stats don't lie. Good riddance.

As for Sarver, he can't keep his foot out of his mouth, he is out of touch with the fan base and while his reputation as being cheap is misplaced, he IS foolish... and I think I'd rather have a cheap owner than a foolish one. He does genuinely want to win, which is more than can be said for a lot of bad owners, but his poor handling of the press and his own meddling gets in the way.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Let them laugh. Its a huge over reaction. We are not as bad as all that and this bad record is probably the best thing that could have happened for the Suns. Markieff Morris was a cancer. We presently have a huge majority of our main players out with injuries and we are clearly not focused on winning.

I just don't care who laughs or what fun they make. This team has a bright future, with or without Sarver.

 

[Catlover]

Let them laugh. Its a huge over reaction. We are not as bad as all that and this bad record is probably the best thing that could have happened for the Suns. Markieff Morris was a cancer. We presently have a huge majority of our main players out with injuries and we are clearly not focused on winning.

I just don't care who laughs or what fun they make. This team has a bright future, with or without Sarver.

I don't think he was really a cancer but he was definitely a blemish and one that we are better off without. And I'm not sure we have a bright future but it's nowhere near as dim as it currently appears. All the bandwagon pile-on media know-nothings will crawl back into their holes next year. Part of me hopes we tank for another season but if we don't, we could easily be one of the better single season turnaround stories of the last decade or two.

 

[BC867]

All the bandwagon pile-on media know-nothings will crawl back into their holes next year. Part of me hopes we tank for another season but if we don't, we could easily be one of the better single season turnaround stories of the last decade or two.

I'd love to share your Kool-Aid, but I just don't see that kind of foundation in place to the level of NBA standards.

A meddling owner who hires inexperienced underlings so he can retain control despite lack of qualifications to do so.

An inexperienced GM obsessed with Guards neither of whom excel at being distributors nor sharpshooters or have shown the skill to assist our sensational rookie Shooting Guard to develop into an NBA star.

A series of inexperienced coaches and personnel turnover, with Sarver soon to be making another decision due to an interim coach running the game-to-game operations without previous experience.

When you consider the intricate details of success in the NBA, the Suns are nowhere near building a strong future. Hornacek's first season produced a turnaround and look where it has taken us.

On a roller coaster ride and the Suns chugging along at the bottom. Even the theory that there is nowhere to go but up isn't going to make it happen. Because every game-night, there is a professional basketball team in your face looking to beat the hell out of you.

It doesn't come down to whether our Suns are good or bad. Just that are better than their competition a significant amount of the time.

That is what I believe.

 

[Catlover]

I'd love to share your Kool-Aid, but I just don't see that kind of foundation in place to the level of NBA standards.

What Kool-Aid? I don't think it's all doom and gloom but I haven't predicted happy days either. Healthy I think it's obvious we'll be a much improved team if we choose to be. Not necessarily a good team but much improved. But regardless, I think you can get to the territory beyond "oh my gawd we're doomed" without drinking Kool-Aid.

I think a lot will depend on what happens in the draft. If we manage to land Simmons, I think we're looking at another year out of the playoffs and drafting in the top 8 or so again. But if we end up picking 5th, we'll probably land a more seasoned player or a lower-ceilinged prospect that will likely sit behind the more established veterans for a few years. In that case, our future might not be as bright but we probably will make a run at the playoffs and put together a great single season turnaround. Not because we've done great things, simply because we've been incredibly snake-bit this season and it's likely things will normalize next year.

I will start drinking the Kool-Aid though if we get lucky in this draft and I think there's a fair chance it will happen. I'm hoping for something like Ingram, Deyonta Davis, Gary Payton II and then Tarc or Moses Kingsley in the second round. Play the youngsters, earn another good pick in the 2017 draft, and that could end up being a loaded team in a couple of years.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

http://arizonasports.com/story/5623...ing-picture-of-culture-with-the-phoenix-suns/

This thread is sort of a tease...I clicked on it expecting to see picture of the Suns in some sort of unflattering position and all I got was words, words, words...

 

[overseascardfan]

This thread is sort of a tease...I clicked on it expecting to see picture of the Suns in some sort of unflattering position and all I got was words, words, words...

I thought the same thing. Title should be "Unflattering Perception".

 

[devilalum]

This is unfair. The Suns are a mess and only a small portion of that can be blamed on the Morri. Nevertheless the twins dug their own graves. Sarver didn't force them to assault a man at a high school or lead the league in technicals or turn the locker room upside down.

Any sympathy given to those 2 idiots is pathetic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its been years that fans on this board have been calling for the Suns to dump the 8th-9rth seed treadmill and do a full rebuild, but obviously many, it seems do not have the stomach for it. This is what it looks like. Lots of injuries, many that are probably not as critical as the time out seems to indicate, uninspired play from the rest of the team who know they cannot make the playoffs. Lots of minutes for rookies who are inconsistent at best.

The starting line up for the first month, when the Suns played well, was: Bledsoe, Knight, TJ, Morris, Chandler. If you substitute Warren's excellent play early for TJ, that's the entire starting line up out. No team is going to be competitive without an entire starting line up--not even the Warriors.

 

[sunsfan88]

Goran Dragic requested a trade from the Phoenix Suns before the 2015 deadline and the franchise has continued to struggle ever since.

The Suns are 25-63 since trading Dragic and fired Jeff Hornacek earlier in the season.

“I was glad as soon as I got out of there,” Dragic said. “I didn’t feel comfortable with them and you never knew what to expect. I want to be in a good situation with a good organization. I know about that situation, but I’m not following it anymore.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Suns-I-Was-Glad-As-Soon-As-I-Got-Out-Of-There

 

[Phrazbit]

Blah blah blah, yes, clearly the Suns were Dragic's problem. Thats why his numbers are actually worse in Miami. We sure screwed that guy.

If not for the Suns setting up Dragic perfectly for his fluke of a career year he would be making about one third of what he is in Miami.

Poor, poor, Goran.

 

[3rdside]

Dragic at <$6m per? I feel a
credibility hit here somewhere!


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[Covert Rain]

The stuff with players has two sides but the main thing to take out of this is the Suns reputation. REGARDLESS of who did what....the Suns reputation is not good around the league. This shouldn't' be a shocker and it's not the first time it's been mentioned. No surprises.

 

[JS22]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Suns-I-Was-Glad-As-Soon-As-I-Got-Out-Of-There

Goran sounds like a jilted-lover. Still yapping. Which tells me he still misses PHX. (As hard as that is to imagine at the moment.)

 

[Catlover]

The stuff with players has two sides but the main thing to take out of this is the Suns reputation. REGARDLESS of who did what....the Suns reputation is not good around the league. This shouldn't' be a shocker and it's not the first time it's been mentioned. No surprises.

I don't think we're ready for our last rites but I agree. We picked up a little league-wide goodwill with the hiring of Babby but that's been used up and there have been no real positives to balance the obvious negatives of the last year. But most of this will fade away once we start to turn things around on the court. It's not going to be much fun until then though.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think we're ready for our last rites but I agree. We picked up a little league-wide goodwill with the hiring of Babby but that's been used up and there have been no real positives to balance the obvious negatives of the last year. But most of this will fade away once we start to turn things around on the court. It's not going to be much fun until then though.

Lon Babby lost some serious credibility with me when he insisted the Suns were going to keep Nash before they let him walk (traded).

 

[Phrazbit]

Dragic at <$6m per? I feel a
credibility hit here somewhere!


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Look at his career outside that one season. As far as this subject goes Goran is the one with the credibility problem. His struggles had nothing to do with the Suns, they were the result of him not being particularly good to begin with.

And yes, a guard who averages 14 points, is not particularly good at passing and is a bad defender... 6-7 mil sounds about right. Its what Thomas got as a free agent (and Thomas is better than Dragic), its what Dragic got when he was a free agent. He is being paid for a career year, while his career numbers pain the picture of a very average player.

As to what others have said. Yes, the Suns rep is taking hits, some deserved, some not. The guy who had the most credibility on the subject was Frye but his sour remarks probably got the least press. The Morris twins? Who cares, they're both pieces of crap. Dragic? A jilted lover with easily shaken confidence who couldn't and still can't accept his own short comings.

The real damage we get is from Sarver and his constant fumbled public statements, blaming the Morris problems on being millennials, his comments about Frye and his intrusiveness in the teams day to day affairs.

 

[Phrazbit]

Lon Babby lost some serious credibility with me when he insisted the Suns were going to keep Nash before they let him walk (traded).

Now that I don't think matters at all. Teams do that stuff all the time. If you admit you want to move a guy or are willing to let them go then the last thing you want to do is announce it to the world. Instead you project the opposite to maximize value.

I don't know if you followed the Kevin Towers Dbacks but he was the opposite. He had no poker face, he announced his intentions loudly and boldly, letting everyone know who he wanted to dump and what type of player he wanted to get... and as a result he got absolutely fleeced in every transaction. It was like playing "Go Fish" with someone who has their cards face up on the table.

 

[Catlover]

Lon Babby lost some serious credibility with me when he insisted the Suns were going to keep Nash before they let him walk (traded).

Really? That happens so often I never even pay attention when they make those kind of comments. And for all we know, Nash came to him after his statement and suggested it was time to part ways. I know I've read something along those lines although I don't recall the timeline of events.