Update: David Johnson sits out, wants contract extension

[ajcardfan]

Can’t really say “I have given this team a lot production” when you’re DJ. Showed your skilled? Yes. Gave a lot of production? Not even close to accurate.

Uh, I think you need to go back and look at his 2016 season again. He broke records all over the place for this franchise. It was a combination of rushing and receiving that totally dwarfed a guy like Larry Centers. Terry Metcalf, OJ Anderson, JD Crow...
Here you go:

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David Johnson’s historic 2016 season: By the Numbers
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BY KELLAN OLSON | JANUARY 2, 2017 AT 10:37 AM
UPDATED: JANUARY 2, 2017 AT 4:47 PM

Here is Johnson’s 2016 season, by the numbers:

2,118: Johnson led the NFL in all-purpose yards with 2,118. He was the only player in the league this season to have over 2,000 and only nine players had over 1,500.

20: Johnson also led the NFL in receiving and rushing touchdowns combined with 20. It’s the first time since LeSean McCoy did it for the Eagles in 2011 that a player had at least 20.

879: Only four running backs in the past 10 seasons have had over 800 yards receiving in a season. Johnson joins Le’Veon Bell, Matt Forte and Steven Jackson after accumulating 879 yards receiving.

4: Johnson’s dual-threat season has only been done a number of times. Only four running backs in NFL history have had at least 15 rushing touchdowns and 600 yards receiving. Former Kansas City Chiefs running back Priest Holmes is the only one who has done it twice. If the qualification for receiving yards was bumped to 850 or more, Johnson is the only one to do so.

15: Johnson is the only player in league history to amass 100 yards from scrimmage in the first 15 games of the season.

21: Only 21 receiving yards separated Johnson from becoming the first player in NFL history to post 1,000 or more rushing yards, 900 or more receiving yards and 20 total touchdowns in a single season.

275: The usage rate Johnson reached of 275 rushing attempts or more and 75 receptions or more is a mark only 10 running backs in league history have reached. Future Hall of Famer LaDanian Tomlinson is the only one to do it twice and in back-to-back years when he had 685 rushing attempts and 179 receptions from 2002 to 2003.

10: Johnson is one of 14 running backs to average at least 10 yards per reception and catch 70 or more balls in a single season. Johnson, Marshall Faulk, and Herschel Walker are the only three to have at least 10 rushing touchdowns as well.

2,000: Johnson is the first player since Tomlinson in 2006 to reach 2,000 yards from scrimmage while scoring at least 20 touchdowns.

 

[ajcardfan]

Can’t really say “I have given this team a lot production” when you’re DJ. Showed your skilled? Yes. Gave a lot of production? Not even close to accurate.

Do you really think after an excellent rookie season, and then greatest season, by a mile and a half, of any Cards RB ever, that wasn't "producing"? He breaks his wrist in the the third quarter of the the first game last year. A play that was a fluke, a play he coulda, maybe even shoulda, tanked on? A play that if he didn't go for the tackle, Deion Sanders would've called it a "business decision". And that obliterates how great he was the first two years?

 

[ajcardfan]

I mean look at the names that come up as comparable production...

Priest Holmes.... Tomlinson.... Faulk....Bell.... Forte.... steven Jackson.... Herschel Frigging Walker....Shady McCoy.


He's an elite talent, he's beyond the proving stage that he can produce at the NFL level.

 

[ajcardfan]

One of my favorite memories of DJ was in the game in Seattle to close the season in 2016. Does anyone else remember that last drive? It wound up with Catanzaro hitting a FG at the gun to win. (Now, that is irony.) Up to that point, DJ had scored 3 TDs.

Well, DJ has a couple of huge plays on the drive. A big run, and then he totally schools a Seattle CB for a big catch that got us into FG range.

After that play, I remember John Lynch GUSHING about DJ saying, "What a baller! What an amazing talent! I mean this kid can PLAY!"

That clinched it for me that FINALLY, we had a truly elite back in Arizona. And, since Lynch became GM of the Broncos a couple of weeks later, it reinforced that memory into my mind. I think Lynch knows his stuff.

 

[Linderbee]

One of my favorite memories of DJ was in the game in Seattle to close the season in 2016. Does anyone else remember that last drive? It wound up with Catanzaro hitting a FG at the gun to win. (Now, that is irony.) Up to that point, DJ had scored 3 TDs.

Well, DJ has a couple of huge plays on the drive. A big run, and then he totally schools a Seattle CB for a big catch that got us into FG range.

After that play, I remember John Lynch GUSHING about DJ saying, "What a baller! What an amazing talent! I mean this kid can PLAY!"

That clinched it for me that FINALLY, we had a truly elite back in Arizona. And, since Lynch became GM of the Broncos a couple of weeks later, it reinforced that memory into my mind. I think Lynch knows his stuff.

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND???

 

[ajcardfan]

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND???

 

[ajcardfan]

One more thing.... in the interest of full disclosure.... I am a big fan of David Johnson.

 

[Ronin]

One of my favorite memories of DJ was in the game in Seattle to close the season in 2016. Does anyone else remember that last drive? It wound up with Catanzaro hitting a FG at the gun to win. (Now, that is irony.) Up to that point, DJ had scored 3 TDs.

Well, DJ has a couple of huge plays on the drive. A big run, and then he totally schools a Seattle CB for a big catch that got us into FG range.

After that play, I remember John Lynch GUSHING about DJ saying, "What a baller! What an amazing talent! I mean this kid can PLAY!"

That clinched it for me that FINALLY, we had a truly elite back in Arizona. And, since Lynch became GM of the 49ers a couple of weeks later, it reinforced that memory into my mind. I think Lynch knows his stuff.

FTFY

 

[ajcardfan]

FTFY

Thanks!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Uh, I think you need to go back and look at his 2016 season again. He broke records all over the place for this franchise. It was a combination of rushing and receiving that totally dwarfed a guy like Larry Centers. Terry Metcalf, OJ Anderson, JD Crow...
Here you go:

Let’s key on two words used: “a lot” - no, not a lot. An impressive, but limited, rookie season and one great season. If he never played again would you say “man David Johnson gave the cardinals A LOT of production!!!” - ?!? If you would I have A LOT of stuff I want to sell you that’s worth A LOT!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do you really think after an excellent rookie season, and then greatest season, by a mile and a half, of any Cards RB ever, that wasn't "producing"? He breaks his wrist in the the third quarter of the the first game last year. A play that was a fluke, a play he coulda, maybe even shoulda, tanked on? A play that if he didn't go for the tackle, Deion Sanders would've called it a "business decision". And that obliterates how great he was the first two years?

“A LOT”

 

[JeffGollin]

It's the off season Jeff. Not a big deal really.

It's the off season Jeff. Not a big deal really.

My frustration isn't solely about holdouts missing action.

It has as much to do with injury downtime, archaic contract terms, replay officiating, ignoring genuine injury-impacts and everything else that slows down the game or gets in the way of fans watching games.

The game is suffering - it's becoming more a creature of spreadsheets than it is action and entertainment.

(&...er...get off my lawn).

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals know David Johnson "one of our core players"
https://www.azcardinals.com/news/cardinals-know-running-back-david-johnson-one-of-our-core-players

 

[CardNots]

So they've both had the same amount of TDs in the last 2 seasons?

David has shoes in the NFL hall of fame.

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals keep 'positive outlook' on David Johnson contract
The Arizona Cardinals understand running back David Johnson is a main piece of the team's foundation.

Johnson, however, elected not to attend the team's mandatory minicamp as he enters the final year of a contract which pays a base salary of $1.88 million in 2018.

The star running back seeks a new deal and should find comfort in what the team thinks.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ep-positive-outlook-on-david-johnson-contract

 

[Ronin]

Kent Somers‏Verified account@kentsomers 20s20 seconds ago
David Johnson missed all of #azcardinals minicamp, so he is subject to about $84,400 in fines.

 

[football karma]

as a thought experiment:

imagine David Johnson were an unrestricted free agent this past offseason. What kind of interest would he have gotten? What kind of contract do you think he would have been given?

I'm not suggesting this is 100% as the basis for a contract extension -- but Jerrick McKinnon got $7.5mm a year. Maybe said differently, I think even with the injury -- I think a few teams would have made a multi-year, high guarantee commitment.

I'm not a fan of the franchise/franchise approach -- I think you can lock up a really good player for 5 years (to the effective end of his career) at a lower average price, and save cap dollars for the next couple years when the SB window might open again.

 

[cardncubfan]

How about the last three years? Does production count only every other year?

Bell is twice an All-Pro. He's been to the Pro Bowl three times. He's gone over 1300 yards rushing three times in 5 NFL seasons. And he's two months younger than David Johnson. Bell has 8 fumbles in 5 seasons. David Johnson has 11 in 2 1/16.

There's no world where David Johnson is as good or better than Le'Veon Bell.

David Johnson also set the NFL record with the most 100 yard games in a row to open the season with 14.

http://arizonasports.com/story/9680...reaks-nfl-record-14th-straight-100-yard-game/

 

[kerouac9]

as a thought experiment:

imagine David Johnson were an unrestricted free agent this past offseason. What kind of interest would he have gotten? What kind of contract do you think he would have been given?

I'm not suggesting this is 100% as the basis for a contract extension -- but Jerrick McKinnon got $7.5mm a year. Maybe said differently, I think even with the injury -- I think a few teams would have made a multi-year, high guarantee commitment.

I'm not a fan of the franchise/franchise approach -- I think you can lock up a really good player for 5 years (to the effective end of his career) at a lower average price, and save cap dollars for the next couple years when the SB window might open again.

I mean, that's what that contract averages out to, but McKinnon's deal is essentially a 2-year contract with team options in years 3 and 4. So he got 2 years and $12 million. If you think McKinnon is gonna see that $6M plus base salary in Year 3, I have some beachfront real estate in Yuma to sell you.

I'd happily sign David Johnson to a 2-year contract extension that pays him $16 million guaranteed. That's probably a fair deal. But aj's on here saying that he deserves $12-15m a year on a new deal. A 27 year-old running back isn't getting that anywhere.

 

[TJ]

David has shoes in the NFL hall of fame.

In fairness, so does Neil Rackers.

 

[ajcardfan]

I mean, that's what that contract averages out to, but McKinnon's deal is essentially a 2-year contract with team options in years 3 and 4. So he got 2 years and $12 million. If you think McKinnon is gonna see that $6M plus base salary in Year 3, I have some beachfront real estate in Yuma to sell you.

I'd happily sign David Johnson to a 2-year contract extension that pays him $16 million guaranteed. That's probably a fair deal. But aj's on here saying that he deserves $12-15m a year on a new deal. A 27 year-old running back isn't getting that anywhere.

I didnt say a word, not one, about how much he should make. I doubt he makes 12 to 15 mil year.

 

[kerouac9]

I didnt say a word, not one, about how much he should make. I doubt he makes 12 to 15 mil year.

That's fair. I don't know who said that we better get him done before Bell and Gurley. I dont' think any of these guys should or will get paid that in the next few years.

It's Football Karma that's throwing up that noise: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3631691/

 

[football karma]

That's fair. I don't know who said that we better get him done before Bell and Gurley. I dont' think any of these guys should or will get paid that in the next few years.

It's Football Karma that's throwing up that noise: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3631691/

ill cop to $12mm per, but the $15 is all you

McKinnon is going to get $18mm over his first two years. He gets $12 this year alone.

Given the Cards are trading a low salary this year -- maybe its closer to $10 ish per year for an extension.

regardless, still believe i want cap dollars used this year, and not in 2020 when the window might be open again.

 

[Cardiac]

David Johnson rules and haters drool.

Some say he got hurt in 2016 and then the wrist injury in 2017 so he is an injury prone risk. What I remember in 2016 is his knee being twisted in such a way the I feared he would never walk again and the freak of nature only sprained his MCL. Seriously people, any mortal would have needed surgery and a prayer and DJ simply rubbed some dirt on it, did a little rehab and then posted videos of jumping out of a pool and sticking the landing.

SIGN THE MAN and let's kick some ass.

 

[cardpa]

Here is a link breaking down McKinnon's contract. He is only guaranteed the first year and the Niners can be rid of him after 2018 with no damage to their cap situation.
http://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...k-mckinnons-four-year-contract-with-the-49ers