Update: David Johnson sits out, wants contract extension

[ajcardfan]

That's fair. I don't know who said that we better get him done before Bell and Gurley. I dont' think any of these guys should or will get paid that in the next few years.

It's Football Karma that's throwing up that noise: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/posts/3631691/

It's just the trend of the position over the last 10 -15 years. Unlike good QBs, good RBs are finding it ever more difficult to cash in big on their second deal. DJ, is a victim of his position too. If he had played right at the top of his position at QB in 2016, rather than RB, he'd have 10s of millions in the bank already. Christ, Brock Osweiler is crap as an NFL player, if you compare him how comparable he was at QB, compared to DJ as a RB. And DJ has zero chance of getting a deal close to Brock's in terms of guaranteed money, and salary.

As a RB, DJ is a stud. That's all I was really trying to say.

 

[ajcardfan]

“A LOT”

Yes, for a RB, that was one hell of "A LOT" over two years. Best in Cardinals history.

 

[ajcardfan]

David Johnson rules and haters drool.

Some say he got hurt in 2016 and then the wrist injury in 2017 so he is an injury prone risk. What I remember in 2016 is his knee being twisted in such a way the I feared he would never walk again and the freak of nature only sprained his MCL. Seriously people, any mortal would have needed surgery and a prayer and DJ simply rubbed some dirt on it, did a little rehab and then posted videos of jumping out of a pool and sticking the landing.

SIGN THE MAN and let's kick some ass.

If that had happened to me you could've cooked my knee as spaghetti. It was a horrible hit, massive injury for mortals, and it was minor for him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Let’s key on two words used: “a lot” - no, not a lot. An impressive, but limited, rookie season and one great season. If he never played again would you say “man David Johnson gave the cardinals A LOT of production!!!” - ?!? If you would I have A LOT of stuff I want to sell you that’s worth A LOT!

I would say a lot over a short period of time.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Keim has to "hold his ground" for a while, just to make it look good, but I wish they would just get it done so we could move on to other issues.

 

[football karma]

Here is a link breaking down McKinnon's contract. He is only guaranteed the first year and the Niners can be rid of him after 2018 with no damage to their cap situation.
http://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...k-mckinnons-four-year-contract-with-the-49ers

other than $6mm in dead money to be dealt with. I get they likely are still swimming in cap space next year, but $6mm isn't insignificant

 

[Chopper0080]

I have said it before, and I will say it again, DJ doesn't have a ton of leverage here. If I was the Cardinals and I wanted to offer DJ a deal, I would offer what McKinnon got and tell him take it or leave it because we are slapping the tag on you next year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I have said it before, and I will say it again, DJ doesn't have a ton of leverage here. If I was the Cardinals and I wanted to offer DJ a deal, I would offer what McKinnon got and tell him take it or leave it because we are slapping the tag on you next year.

Give the man 5 years $42 million with $15-$16 million bonus and guarantee of $24 million. Done.

 

[Jetstream Green]

A lot here have given reasons why we should not pay him the full value of which he might be worth and stretch him out because there are ways to get by giving him a franchise tag after a few and put him down to the limit shelf life of a majority of running backs before you cut him loose... well, then I do not blame him for acting now when it's his only opportunity to get all he can

 

[cardpa]

A lot here have given reasons why we should not pay him the full value of which he might be worth and stretch him out because there are ways to get by giving him a franchise tag after a few and put him down to the limit shelf life of a majority of running backs before you cut him loose... well, then I do not blame him for acting now when it's his only opportunity to get all he can

I have no problem with him trying to get as much as he can, hell you and I would do the same thing given the situation, however I would never give him what he's asking for either.

 

[ajcardfan]

I have no problem with him trying to get as much as he can, hell you and I would do the same thing given the situation, however I would never give him what he's asking for either.

I haven't read anywhere what his agent is asking for. I probably missed it I guess. Can you please post the link with the specifics of what DJ wants?

 

[oaken1]

A lot here have given reasons why we should not pay him the full value of which he might be worth and stretch him out because there are ways to get by giving him a franchise tag after a few and put him down to the limit shelf life of a majority of running backs before you cut him loose... well, then I do not blame him for acting now when it's his only opportunity to get all he can

yeah its tough. he came into the league later than most...and he is a RB... it is very likely THIS contract is his only big pay day...history, trends, mathematics...it all says he needs to get paid now....it is unfortunate about the injury timing..
he is gonna get $30mil over the next three years anyway...be it via new contract or franchise tags

 

[BigRedRage]

I haven't read anywhere what his agent is asking for. I probably missed it I guess. Can you please post the link with the specifics of what DJ wants?

Hasn't been a whisper

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[Jetstream Green]

Hasn't been a whisper

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I am pretty sure a shrubbery was one of the demands... and here are the specifics from the ongoing talks

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[JeffGollin]

Big contracts are risky (Injuries are the wildcard).

The concept of "risk" carries with it a big upside and a big downside. You never know whether or not the dice-roll will or won't pay off. Save the money and be mediocre/spend the money and get ripped off. Or not.

All I know is that big numbers make me nervous. Big contracts too often carry a big curse.

 

[cardpa]

I haven't read anywhere what his agent is asking for. I probably missed it I guess. Can you please post the link with the specifics of what DJ wants?

Honestly, I have no idea what their demands might be and have not seen any in print or otherwise, however if his agent is worth anything he should be asking for as much as they think they could get and then a little extra for negotiating room. If he isn't doing anything similar to this then his agent is doing him a disservice. This could be his only chance at a big money day so they should be asking for the sky and settle for somewhat less. That is what I mean by saying I would not pay them their asking price. Guess I should have been clearer in my previous post.

 

[ajcardfan]

Honestly, I have no idea what their demands might be and have not seen any in print or otherwise, however if his agent is worth anything he should be asking for as much as they think they could get and then a little extra for negotiating room. If he isn't doing anything similar to this then his agent is doing him a disservice. This could be his only chance at a big money day so they should be asking for the sky and settle for somewhat less. That is what I mean by saying I would not pay them their asking price. Guess I should have been clearer in my previous post.

Logical enough. I was hoping you had read about it somewhere.

 

[Dan H]

Does anyone else get the sense that things are going probably going well since we haven't seen any posturing in the press from his agent?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes, for a RB, that was one hell of "A LOT" over two years. Best in Cardinals history.

That’s just silly. He had a bunch of flashes his rookie year, but was hardly a stud for the entire year. He only became the primary back late in the season (not that he couldn’t have earlier, he just didn’t - that’s an undeniable fact). He was arguably the best running back in the league the next year. Then he was injured for an entire season. You can spin it however you want but those are the actual facts of his three year career to date. If that’s “a lot” to you I simply don’t think you understand what that phrase was meant to convey.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I would say a lot over a short period of time.

That’s accurate. But to paint what he’s given the franchise to date as “a lot” is just inaccurate.

 

[ajcardfan]

That’s just silly. He had a bunch of flashes his rookie year, but was hardly a stud for the entire year. He only became the primary back late in the season (not that he couldn’t have earlier, he just didn’t - that’s an undeniable fact). He was arguably the best running back in the league the next year. Then he was injured for an entire season. You can spin it however you want but those are the actual facts of his three year career to date. If that’s “a lot” to you I simply don’t think you understand what that phrase was meant to convey.

No, it's obvious you don't understand the two words "A Lot". In terms of "That's a lot. More than any other Cards RB in two seasons. EVER."

Na, na, na, na, boo, boo. Stick your hand in doo doo.

 

[ajcardfan]

That’s accurate. But to paint what he’s given the franchise to date as “a lot” is just inaccurate.

Nice opinion bro. Keep bringing your opinion like it's radiation from the Big Bang being measured by astrophysicists.

 

[HeHasRosen]

Does anyone else get the sense that things are going probably going well since we haven't seen any posturing in the press from his agent?

I think so. I still believe the deal is done before TC. I think its the verbiage and incentives being ironed out still.

That’s just silly. He had a bunch of flashes his rookie year, but was hardly a stud for the entire year. He only became the primary back late in the season (not that he couldn’t have earlier, he just didn’t - that’s an undeniable fact). He was arguably the best running back in the league the next year. Then he was injured for an entire season. You can spin it however you want but those are the actual facts of his three year career to date. If that’s “a lot” to you I simply don’t think you understand what that phrase was meant to convey.

When have the Cards ever had the BEST RB in the league or even been in that conversation? The guy is the best offensive player on our team. He has a small window to make as much money as he can. People cry when we let good players walk or they leave in FA and now some guys want him to play out his final year? We dont need this crap hanging over our head for the next 3 seasons. Get a deal done with protection from injury and maybe incentives. If he balls out this year we probably have to pay him more than he would sign for at the moment.

The fact of the matter is any one of you would do the exact same thing in his shoes. Wether you admit it or not.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nice opinion bro. Keep bringing your opinion like it's radiation from the Big Bang being measured by astrophysicists.

What are you, 8?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think so. I still believe the deal is done before TC. I think its the verbiage and incentives being ironed out still.



When have the Cards ever had the BEST RB in the league or even been in that conversation? The guy is the best offensive player on our team. He has a small window to make as much money as he can. People cry when we let good players walk or they leave in FA and now some guys want him to play out his final year? We dont need this crap hanging over our head for the next 3 seasons. Get a deal done with protection from injury and maybe incentives. If he balls out this year we probably have to pay him more than he would sign for at the moment.

The fact of the matter is any one of you would do the exact same thing in his shoes. Wether you admit it or not.

I’m not begrudging giving him a new contract. I understand the short span of a players career (I mean look at DJ, two injuries in three years!). But it seems all of you are so quick to just throw tons of money at him. How did that work out with badger? You have to find mid-ground.

I know it’s easy for everyone to say “pay him what he wants” when (a) it’s not your money and (b) you don’t have to figure out contracts, how they work with one and other, projecting down the road, salary caps, the fact that as a gm managing all of that effectively will guide whether you have a job or not, etc.

I think a lot of you live in a sports world where everything is always flowers and rainbows and never look at the reality of facts, the fact that this is a business, or look into the future. I get that as a fan sports can be about immediate gratification, but that’s not the real world.