Updated 53 Post HOF Game

[Shaggy]

Or Cutler, who would you rather have.

 

[Garthshort]

BG will have ample opportunities to show that his HOF game wasn't a fluke. If he does, he'll be kept and BASK will have to decide who is #2. The argument that DS knows the offense better goes away, a little each day that BG stays around.

 

[Mitch]

Harlan Miller over Gallon

Harlan Miller has to find a niche on STs, which he hasn't done yet. His lack of speed hampers his play at CB and FS. I think his strength is in zone coverage as a CB lined up 7-8 yards from the l.o.s, which actually the Cardinals might do more of this year because of the better coverage skills of the linebackers. At FS he won't be able to get away with playing 20 yards off the ball, as they asked him to do in the last two games. Miller is a competitive player...so he will make a strong push the next 4 games. But STs could decided whether he makes the 53 at the start of the season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

& a washed Tramon Williams.

New record.

Guy hasn't even played a snap.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Also: Stanton vs Gabbert

IIRC: Stanton is 6-3 filling in for Palmer. I think that earns a great deal of trust with BA

I think Gabbert would have to have four more games like the last with Stanton really struggling for that to change

I am a huge Stanton fan.

And while I am not as impressed with Gabbert's success against 3rd team players, I am impressed with Gabbert's arm (he throws lazers), and his athletic ability.

I will always be for competition.

 

[JeffGollin]

Great comprehensive review, as usual Mitch.

You may be right, but I don't understand all the Penny love. I've seen dozens of running backs who really stood out in the preseason and flashed star potential, then we're never heard from again. In all of Penny's 49 rushes for 209 yards (4.2 y/a) i never saw one play that made me think he was anything special. Nor do I remember any "key" plays on special teams. I know the "deep" O-line didn't make much room for him on Thursday and maybe that's a valid excuse for his 8-14 performance - but I sure didn't see anything "impressive" from him.

But Ellington is a goner for sure, so I guess with Loan hurt, Penny will stick & hopefully prove you right.

...dave

Penny is the only thumper on our roster, and we need between the tackles oomph.

 

[DVontel]

New record.

Guy hasn't even played a snap.

I mean, it's as clear as day if you watched him play his last few years for GB then CLE. Really just speaks volumes of our CB2 situation.

 

[daves]

Penny is the only thumper on our roster, and we need between the tackles oomph.

I agree that if he's serviceable he adds value since the Cardinals need someone to fill that role - but i just haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he's special. I'm rooting for him, but there are a bunch of RBs every year who shine more than he has in the preseason. I get the hope, i just don't get the hype.

...dave

 

[BigRedRage]

Also: Stanton vs Gabbert

IIRC: Stanton is 6-3 filling in for Palmer. I think that earns a great deal of trust with BA

I think Gabbert would have to have four more games like the last with Stanton really struggling for that to change

Wouldn't be surprising through. Stanton seems to always struggle with accuracy and progressions.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I mean, it's as clear as day if you watched him play his last few years for GB then CLE. Really just speaks volumes of our CB2 situation.

I respect your analyzation (sp?) of the situation.

I will wait till he hits the field to make an opinion. Jerraud Powers was run out of town in AZ, and still could be playing the outside of this team, IMHO.

Williams was signed over Revis, and Brandon Flowers, he must have some skill set that can help the club, at least that is what the Cardinals are thinking.

Williams is going to be the starter, that is why he was out for the preseason game, thus I will wait till he shows he is done out on the field.

But my apologies, my post above was a bit reactionary, but it feels like "Boy cries Wolf" on this board, in that no matter who the Cardinals bring in, they always seem to be HORRIBLE.

All the while Keim deserves the benefit of the doubt this time of year, I feel he has earned that much through his success.

 

[oaken1]

I respect your analyzation (sp?) of the situation.

I will wait till he hits the field to make an opinion. Jerraud Powers was run out of town in AZ, and still could be playing the outside of this team, IMHO.

Williams was signed over Revis, and Brandon Flowers, he must have some skill set that can help the club, at least that is what the Cardinals are thinking.

Williams is going to be the starter, that is why he was out for the preseason game, thus I will wait till he shows he is done out on the field.

But my apologies, my post above was a bit reactionary, but it feels like "Boy cries Wolf" on this board, in that no matter who the Cardinals bring in, they always seem to be HORRIBLE.

All the while Keim deserves the benefit of the doubt this time of year, I feel he has earned that much through his success.

dude was decent in GB...and rumor has it he was unhappy in Cle...may have been playing to get cut so he could go elsewhere.
but, yeah....wait to see the product

 

[JCSunsfan]

I respect your analyzation (sp?) of the situation.

I will wait till he hits the field to make an opinion. Jerraud Powers was run out of town in AZ, and still could be playing the outside of this team, IMHO.

Williams was signed over Revis, and Brandon Flowers, he must have some skill set that can help the club, at least that is what the Cardinals are thinking.

Williams is going to be the starter, that is why he was out for the preseason game, thus I will wait till he shows he is done out on the field.

But my apologies, my post above was a bit reactionary, but it feels like "Boy cries Wolf" on this board, in that no matter who the Cardinals bring in, they always seem to be HORRIBLE.

All the while Keim deserves the benefit of the doubt this time of year, I feel he has earned that much through his success.

Analysis. That's what you were looking for.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Penny is the only thumper on our roster, and we need between the tackles oomph.

We already have a 225 pound, ball of muscle who can run between the tackles.... DJ!

 

[JeffGollin]

We already have a 225 pound, ball of muscle who can run between the tackles.... DJ!

Obviously it's a matter of degree, but there are times when you want to protect a lead or run out the clock, and I don't think you want to wear out our bell cow by banging him inside over and over.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Analysis. That's what you were looking for.

Thank you.

Wurds iz hrrd, I liek maaths.

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[cardncubfan]

I respect your analyzation (sp?) of the situation.

I will wait till he hits the field to make an opinion. Jerraud Powers was run out of town in AZ, and still could be playing the outside of this team, IMHO.

Williams was signed over Revis, and Brandon Flowers, he must have some skill set that can help the club, at least that is what the Cardinals are thinking.

Williams is going to be the starter, that is why he was out for the preseason game, thus I will wait till he shows he is done out on the field.

But my apologies, my post above was a bit reactionary, but it feels like "Boy cries Wolf" on this board, in that no matter who the Cardinals bring in, they always seem to be HORRIBLE.

All the while Keim deserves the benefit of the doubt this time of year, I feel he has earned that much through his success.

I agree except for Jerraud Powers. He was good in the slot but terrible outside.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I agree except for Jerraud Powers. He was good in the slot but terrible outside.

Fair enough.

Who has been better than him since he left ?

Marcus Cooper? Maybe ?

Not saying Jerraud Powers was a great cornerback, but the Cardinals let him walk without making sure they had upgraded from him. Thus they took a step backwards because the front office was so sure they could do better, and in the end, they have struggled to replace him.

The difficulty of the cornerback position in the NFL, and the difficulty finding a good cornerback that doesn't break the bank is much more challenging than I think a lot of people think.

There is so much talk that makes it sound easy to find a good cornerback at a price that fits in the salary cap. To be honest, I see more talk about bashing the player after the fact with little or no solution to the problem.

Everyone can point out poor play at the position, and say who stinks, but it is of rare occurrence that I read about a realistic solution to solving this problem.

My persona solution was to draft one of the ten or more prospects coming out in this past draft, but unfortunately the organization, IMHO, reached on a 3rd pick, and moved up in the 2nd round, and screwed themselves out of getting a cornerback that could help the team.

To see Rasul Douglas starting in Philly is very frustrating to say the least as we kick the tires on 34 year old cornerbacks.

My hope is Tamon Williams can at least give this team what Jerraud Power did. It may not be perfection but I feel it will be better than Justin Bethel or Brandon Williams.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Fair enough.

Who has been better than him since he left ?

Marcus Cooper? Maybe ?

Not saying Jerraud Powers was a great cornerback, but the Cardinals let him walk without making sure they had upgraded from him. Thus they took a step backwards because the front office was so sure they could do better, and in the end, they have struggled to replace him.

The difficulty of the cornerback position in the NFL, and the difficulty finding a good cornerback that doesn't break the bank is much more challenging than I think a lot of people think.

There is so much talk that makes it sound easy to find a good cornerback at a price that fits in the salary cap. To be honest, I see more talk about bashing the player after the fact with little or no solution to the problem.

Everyone can point out poor play at the position, and say who stinks, but it is of rare occurrence that I read about a realistic solution to solving this problem.

My persona solution was to draft one of the ten or more prospects coming out in this past draft, but unfortunately the organization, IMHO, reached on a 3rd pick, and moved up in the 2nd round, and screwed themselves out of getting a cornerback that could help the team.

To see Rasul Douglas starting in Philly is very frustrating to say the least as we kick the tires on 34 year old cornerbacks.

My hope is Tamon Williams can at least give this team what Jerraud Power did. It may not be perfection but I feel it will be better than Justin Bethel or Brandon Williams.

Powers contract demands as he entered FA were delusional.

He thought there was a big payday awaiting him and found nothing more than a one year exit contract with the Titans.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Powers contract demands as he entered FA were delusional.

He thought there was a big payday awaiting him and found nothing more than a one year exit contract with the Titans.

That is a good argument. When you look at how much Marcus Cooper and DJ Swearinger got, maybe they were not so delusional ? I dunno. That is a great point, and would make for a lot of discussion about the value of a mid-tier cornerback.

 

[Cardiac]

Fair enough.


To see Rasul Douglas starting in Philly is very frustrating to say the least as we kick the tires on 34 year old cornerbacks.

My hope is Tamon Williams can at least give this team what Jerraud Power did. It may not be perfection but I feel it will be better than Justin Bethel or Brandon Williams.

Everything I have heard about the CB situation in Philly is very negative and the fans and "experts" don't think they have a starting NFL caliber CB on the team. My concern is that the Eagles will scoop up any quality CB that becomes available before the Cards do.

I do agree that Powers was a solid CB for us and SK hasn't upgraded the position and in fact it has regressed at this point.

 

[Garthshort]

I think that SK wants to see if Bethel can do the job. If not, look for a Cooper type trade.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Everything I have heard about the CB situation in Philly is very negative and the fans and "experts" don't think they have a starting NFL caliber CB on the team. My concern is that the Eagles will scoop up any quality CB that becomes available before the Cards do.

I do agree that Powers was a solid CB for us and SK hasn't upgraded the position and in fact it has regressed at this point.

Agreed. But, it sounds like Philly has the same problem as the Cardinals, only the Cardinals have Patrick Peterson, and then "the CB2 situation in AZ is very negative and the fans and "experts" don't think they have a starting NFL caliber CB2 on the team."

Saying that, if Rasul Douglas is starting for the Eagles, then I believe he would be the CB2 for our team right now, and unlike Tramon Williams there would be room for improvement. But, it doesn't just need to be Rasul Douglas, there are a couple of rookie cornerbacks from the last draft that are in line to start this year, Quincy Wilson being one of those as well.

I also agree, the Eagles are going to be looking for cornerbacks on the waiver wire, just like every team. Finding a good cornerback at a good price is very challenging in the NFL.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree that if he's serviceable he adds value since the Cardinals need someone to fill that role - but i just haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he's special. I'm rooting for him, but there are a bunch of RBs every year who shine more than he has in the preseason. I get the hope, i just don't get the hype.

...dave

I have hope for Penny.

Must have missed the hype other than some other posters wanting a thumper on the roster like me.

 

[Cardiac]

Agreed. But, it sounds like Philly has the same problem as the Cardinals, only the Cardinals have Patrick Peterson, and then "the CB2 situation in AZ is very negative and the fans and "experts" don't think they have a starting NFL caliber CB2 on the team."

Saying that, if Rasul Douglas is starting for the Eagles, then I believe he would be the CB2 for our team right now, and unlike Tramon Williams there would be room for improvement. But, it doesn't just need to be Rasul Douglas, there are a couple of rookie cornerbacks from the last draft that are in line to start this year, Quincy Wilson being one of those as well.

I also agree, the Eagles are going to be looking for cornerbacks on the waiver wire, just like every team. Finding a good cornerback at a good price is very challenging in the NFL.

Everything I have heard about the CB situation in Philly is very negative and the fans and "experts" don't think they have a starting NFL caliber CB on the team. My concern is that the Eagles will scoop up any quality CB that becomes available before the Cards do.

So the Eagles just traded their most consistent WR and a 3rd rd pick to get a CB (Darby) so I'm guessing they aren't sold on Douglas at this time. I'm sure they are now looking for a #2 CB and hoping they have one as good as Bethel.

My concern was confirmed as the Eagles made the move to upgrade their CB position and paid more they we wanted to.

 

[BigRedRage]

Bethel would be a starting corner on the eagles too, it just means their corners suck

Maybe this trade they did changes that

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