Updated Cap room for all teams

[joeshmo]

This is from Clayton on ESPN updated April 22nd.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1510617

Minnesota Vikings $13.5 million under
New Orleans Saints $11.3 million under
Philadelphia Eagles $10.4 million under
Dallas Cowboys $10.1 million under
Jacksonville Jaguars $7.94 million under
Kansas City Chiefs $7.19 million under
Detroit Lions $7.129 million under
Arizona Cardinals $6.9 million under
San Diego Chargers $6.4 million under
Cleveland Browns $5.99 million under
Indianapolis Colts $5.5 million under
Cincinnati Bengals $5.3 million under
Seattle Seahawks $5.1 million under
Miami Dolphins $5.1 million under
Houston Texans $4.4 million under
Baltimore Ravens $4.19 million under
Chicago Bears $4.16 million under
New York Jets $3.2 million under
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $2.98 million under
Buffalo Bills $2.317 million under
New England Patriots $2.25 million under
Oakland Raiders $2 million under
New York Giants $1.9 million under
Carolina Panthers $1.7 million under
Atlanta Falcons $1.765 million under
Washington Redskins $1.63 million under
San Francisco 49ers $1.6 million under
Green Bay Packers $1.6 million under
St. Louis Rams $737,000 under
Tennessee Titans $532,000 under
Pittsburgh Steelers $326,000 under
Denver Broncos $287,000 under

Looks like half of the teams are going to have to do some restructuring or cutting of players to get under there rookie cap space.

 

[Brevity]

This is from Clayton on ESPN updated April 22nd.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1510617

Washington Redskins $1.63 million under

How can this be? I think a more accurate number would $875 trillion over.

 

[joeshmo]

How can this be? I think a more accurate number would $875 trillion over.

Just look at all of the contracts they gave out this year every single one has it structured so that each player only makes the vet minimum there first year.

 

[Brevity]

Sooooo...next year they are $875 trillion over?

 

[MastersofCombat]

Arizona signs the following:
Mackey ? who
Berry ? ok one year I saw the stats
King ? didnt even know he was still in the NFL

and we go from having like 20 million in cap to 6million ?

while the redskins had 1.5 million before free agency and they sign

Shawn Springs Seahawks 29 6-0, 204 Redskins

Walt Harris Colts Redskins


Marcus Washington $24 million

David Terrel

Cornelius Griffin Giants 27 6-3, 300 Redskins
Philip Daniels Bears Redskins
Tom Tupa Buccaneers 38 6-4, 225 Redskins


And then they resign Clinton Portis
Portis thrilled with trade ...
Clinton Portis said he "probably got 100 phone calls" from fellow NFL players when word got out that he was going sign a $50 million contract with the Washington Redskins



what is up with that?????????????????

 

[joeshmo]

Sooooo...next year they are $875 trillion over?

I have looked at all of there contracts and how they are laid out. They wont be in cap hell next year but in 2006. 32 players will count as 95mill against there cap in 2006. In 2006 the expected cap space will be 100 mill(becuase of new tv deal that will be done by then). That means they will have to sign 21 more players for only 5 mill. Now that is what I called Cap hell.

 

[vikesfan]

WAS never goes into cap hell people have said it EVERY YEAR and it never happens they know how to play the cap. They give the money in bonuses and then cut players to free up cap so they can sign more players.
WAS has the best cap management in the NFL because Snyder uses his personal fortune to pay upfront and keep the cap relatively clear.

 

[azdad1978]

WAS never goes into cap hell people have said it EVERY YEAR and it never happens they know how to play the cap. They give the money in bonuses and then cut players to free up cap so they can sign more players.
WAS has the best cap management in the NFL because Snyder uses his personal fortune to pay upfront and keep the cap relatively clear.

VF I taught you said that the Vikings used up all the cap money they have when they signed Winfield?

 

[joeshmo]

Arizona signs the following:
Mackey ? who
Berry ? ok one year I saw the stats
King ? didnt even know he was still in the NFL.

and we go from having like 20 million in cap to 6million

First of all we only had 15.8 mill. to work with after the RFA tenders were given out. Next we structured the contracts so that the players get paid the same throughout the life of the contract instead of giving a low salary now only to have the player get paid way to much later. Very smart cap management.

Next:
Its Macklin - 2.4 mill a year, 2 mill less then Barrett, and a very good deal compared to the CB FA market this year.
Berry - 5 mill a year, very cheap for a double digit sack guy.
King - 1.1 mill a year
then about 8 or so other guys getting the vet minimums.

And we still have 5 mill for our rookie pool plus 1.9 left for other things and the eventually restructuring of Boldin in August.

while the redskins had 1.5 million before free agency and they sign

what is up with that?????????????????

Next the Redskins had 10.6 mill once FA started, not 1.5. Also they let go of 9 players(Bruce Smith retired, huge chunk of cap space about 6.5 in savings). They then resigned 5 of there own, and signed 12 FA's. out of those FA's every single one is only getting paid the league minimum there first year(about 650,000 average for all of the players) plus the prorated bonus amounts which is minimal becuase a lot of the bigger contracts are really long. Plus they restructured a few contracts If you actually study the contracts it isnt hard to understand at all, how Washington is doing it. They are jeopradizing there future(2006) to win today. So right now they have a 2 year window to win a championship before cap hell sets in. See last post I did.

 

[joeshmo]

WAS never goes into cap hell people have said it EVERY YEAR and it never happens they know how to play the cap. They give the money in bonuses and then cut players to free up cap so they can sign more players.
WAS has the best cap management in the NFL because Snyder uses his personal fortune to pay upfront and keep the cap relatively clear.

Simply not true.

All remaining bonuses have to be fully paid that year instead of prorating it over the life of the contract causing dead cap space that year. They would be in the same position that the Titans were in this year but they restructered Aringtons contract resently so instead of him getting 6 mill in his final year he is only getting 2 mill this year, Bruce smith retired saving 6.5 mill, and Bailey was traded who would have cost 5 mill instead they get Portis this year who is only getting paid 1.5 this year. That right there is a cap savings of 14 mill. There is a few other things they did but what I just said is good enough to get my point accross.

 

[Pariah]

Snyder uses his personal fortune to pay upfront and keep the cap relatively clear.

VF, say it all you want, it doesn't make it true. His personal fortune has nothing to do with cap space, nor does it have anything to do with "upfront money." All teams are playing by the same rules, and all of the owners have enough money to spend the whole cap.

 

[vikesfan]

Ok lets say Snyder and Red want to sign Winfield.

Lets says Snyder has 30 mil in cap and Red has 30 mil in cap.
Winfield wants a 10 mil bonus plus 1 mil salary.

What Snyder does because he is willing to spend his OWN money is
give Winfield 10 mil out of his own money and pro-rate the bonus so he signs Winfield and he costs the team 1 mil in bonus and 1 mil in salary and he has 28 mil in cap left over.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

 

[vikesfan]

Ok lets say Snyder and Red want to sign Winfield.

Lets says Snyder has 30 mil in cap and Red has 30 mil in cap.
Winfield wants a 10 mil bonus plus 1 mil salary.

What Snyder does because he is willing to spend his OWN money is
give Winfield 10 mil out of his own money and pro-rate the bonus so he signs Winfield and he costs the team 1 mil in bonus and 1 mil in salary and he has 28 mil in cap left over.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

This is why owners who have outside businesses and are rich can get good FAs they have Clear Channel or Computer Business Money (Snyder) and they can give the big money bonus upfront. Red could but he DOES NOT cause he is on a Thrift Plan! Guys like Bidwill and Irsay can't. Irsay had to dig into his personal savings to sign Manning. Red acts like an owner who has no outside funds but he does this is what makes it so frustrating the Vikes could be up there with Snyder and Paul Allen but he has gone CHEAP!

 

[Pariah]

Ok lets say Snyder and Red want to sign Winfield.

Lets says Snyder has 30 mil in cap and Red has 30 mil in cap.
Winfield wants a 10 mil bonus plus 1 mil salary.

What Snyder does because he is willing to spend his OWN money is
give Winfield 10 mil out of his own money and pro-rate the bonus so he signs Winfield and he costs the team 1 mil in bonus and 1 mil in salary and he has 28 mil in cap left over.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

It's ALL their own money! It ALL comes out of the owner's pocket. Yeah, Snyder has more money than God, but at a certain point in the NFL, it just doesn't matter.

 

[so far away]

Ok lets say Snyder and Red want to sign Winfield.

Lets says Snyder has 30 mil in cap and Red has 30 mil in cap.
Winfield wants a 10 mil bonus plus 1 mil salary.

What Snyder does because he is willing to spend his OWN money is
give Winfield 10 mil out of his own money and pro-rate the bonus so he signs Winfield and he costs the team 1 mil in bonus and 1 mil in salary and he has 28 mil in cap left over.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

It doesn't matter where they get the money to pay the players it all counts against the cap. The only variable is WHEN it counts. Your lack of knowledge is seeping through again, please just stay on the short bus for your own safety.

 

[ajcardfan]

It's ALL their own money! It ALL comes out of the owner's pocket. Yeah, Snyder has more money than God, but at a certain point in the NFL, it just doesn't matter.

Actually, vikesfan is correct on this IMO. The cap is based solely on television revenues. All salary counts against the cap, bonuses are prorated. So, teams can spend, in any one year, well over the cap figure because of this. Remember the year when McGinnis was hired, and we beat the Skins? That team was called the "100 million dollar" team because Snyder had doled out such huge bonuses that offseason. If you look at it fomr year to year, Bidwill has been good for roughly 15mil a season in signing bonuses. Some years, he paid more, others, a little less.

On the other hand, two years ago, Jerry Jones supposedly spent the least on his team. In a sense he did, but only for THAT year. They were eating about 20mil in dead money that season. Sooner or later, that will happen to the Skins as well. It really hasn't yet, because they backload contracts so heavily they dump a big salary or two, and then redo some other deals. No one has beat the cap indefinitely so far, although the Skins sure are trying.

 

[Pariah]

Actually, vikesfan is correct on this IMO. The cap is based solely on television revenues. All salary counts against the cap, bonuses are prorated. So, teams can spend, in any one year, well over the cap figure because of this. Remember the year when McGinnis was hired, and we beat the Skins? That team was called the "100 million dollar" team because Snyder had doled out such huge bonuses that offseason. If you look at it fomr year to year, Bidwill has been good for roughly 15mil a season in signing bonuses. Some years, he paid more, others, a little less.

Because an owner CHOOSES not to spend like a sailor on shore leave, doesn't mean he can't. It has ZERO to do with the cap and everything to do with fiscal ideology.

Plus, in VF's scenario, he's claiming bonuses, pro-rated or no, don't come "out of the cap. That's simply not true, anyway you slice it.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

 

[so far away]

Actually, vikesfan is correct on this IMO. The cap is based solely on television revenues. All salary counts against the cap, bonuses are prorated. So, teams can spend, in any one year, well over the cap figure because of this. Remember the year when McGinnis was hired, and we beat the Skins? That team was called the "100 million dollar" team because Snyder had doled out such huge bonuses that offseason. If you look at it fomr year to year, Bidwill has been good for roughly 15mil a season in signing bonuses. Some years, he paid more, others, a little less.

On the other hand, two years ago, Jerry Jones supposedly spent the least on his team. In a sense he did, but only for THAT year. They were eating about 20mil in dead money that season. Sooner or later, that will happen to the Skins as well. It really hasn't yet, because they backload contracts so heavily they dump a big salary or two, and then redo some other deals. No one has beat the cap indefinitely so far, although the Skins sure are trying.

He's not even close to being right. Washington is doing the same thing that San Francisco and Dallas did for years. It caught up with both of them and it will catch Washington. Washington can keep prolonging it by reworking the contract numbers but the longer the prolong it the worse it's going to be.

 

[joeshmo]

Ok lets say Snyder and Red want to sign Winfield.

Lets says Snyder has 30 mil in cap and Red has 30 mil in cap.
Winfield wants a 10 mil bonus plus 1 mil salary.

What Snyder does because he is willing to spend his OWN money is
give Winfield 10 mil out of his own money and pro-rate the bonus so he signs Winfield and he costs the team 1 mil in bonus and 1 mil in salary and he has 28 mil in cap left over.

Red pays him out of the cap! So he gets 10 mil out of cap plus 1 mil salary. Red has 19 mil left over to spend.

Really your lack of knowledge in this area is astounding.

In your Snyder scenerio the bonuses are prorated over the life of the contract, so did Snyder give Winfield a 10 year contract, becuase that is the only way his signing bonus will count only 1 mill a year for his cap hit. If he signed him to that deal for 7 years the signing bonus cap hit per year would be 1.43 a year. So the Redskins would have 27.57 left. Of which all of that comes out of his cap space becuase all teams have the same amount of cap space not his own pocket as you say.

As for what Red did with Winfield he gave Winfield a roster bonues instead of a "signing bonus" and took the cap hit of 10 mill up front not prorated this year(becuase he had plenty of space to do it). Which means that the Vikings will only be paying Winfield his base salary through the life of his contract instead of paying him his base salary+prorated signing bonus. Which means becuase of his sacrifice this year he will save 2 mill a year for the next 5 years.

If you actually took the time to look at the contracts and how they are structured you would see that Washington does stay under the cap each and every year.

What is so hard to understand about this?