Vikings 21 Cardinals 14 Post Game Thoughts
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I'm not opposed to taking shots downfield but the problem today was that to extend these drives you can't bury the ball at the feet of the Wr or miss him by 10 feet.
Even the play where Doucet fell down tripping over his feet was a bad throw it's why he was off balance catching it. There was anotehr like a bubble screen right to I think Doucet the ball was so wide Doucet had a make a terrific reaching catch for it.
The short passes do work but the QB has to be accurate. Now if the QB can't be accurate I don't expect he'll be more accurate going downfield do you?
Skelton looked really rusty the last 2 weeks. Hopefully he'll sharpen up with another week of work but even the balls he completed were often bad throws.
He wasn't stepping into the throws, he was shot putting some of them like he wanted to pull the ball back. He just looks like a guy who has a ton of rust on him.
I hope he's better next week if he's not it's going to be a rout.
Skleton is not even close to NFL starter quality. He's putrid. Has zero pocket presence and has to be the most inaccurate QB in the league...
Our o-line is of course, all-workd bad... We now lead the entire NFL in sacks allowed, hits allowed and pressures... AND, we lead the NFL in 3 and outs to boot!
Somehow, we can't find a way to get the ball to a hall of fame WR who's in his prime - Fitz. That's on the coaches, as well as the QB and o-line.
We have ZERO vertical game and ZERO downfield threat. None...
We don't have any viable threat at running back...
So, unless we score a ton of points on defense, or, PP remembers how he returned punts from last year, this team and this season is screwed...
Time to start analyzing the 2013 draft...
I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet. Still have 9 more games to go. Maybe the Cardinals can turn it on in the second half of the season like they did last season. Same players and same coaches.
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Good post, Mitch. This offense has absolutely no identity. They are aimlessly wandering the desert of our despair ...
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@Cardschatter: The 43 net passing yards the Cards allowed to the Vikings today was the fewest allowed by a team in the NFL this season. #AZvsMIN
az1965
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I agree we should have taken some deep shots early on to losen up instead of playing close to the vest.
I think we need an honest to goodness full time tested offensive coordinator.
This offense has to be re evaluated from the front office on down to the water boy.
There is no way in hell any game plan of ours should limit Fitz to 4 or 5 targets. I don'tcare what the opposition is doing.
And we should throw deep, but you have to do it early in the downs. We ran the ball well enough today to take advantage of play action but really didn't do it. We don't impose any kind of will against the defense.
Oh anither thing that REALLY sticks in my craw. We have got to lead the league in passes att/com that come up short of the first down marker.
It's hard to win a horse race when all you have is a burro.
I also disagreed with going for it on 4th down because we need EVERY point we can get when we near the red zone. Odds are we would have had to settle for a field goal anyway. A first down doesn't mean we are going to score a TD...unless of course we actually threw it to the endzone. That's another stat I'll bet we lead the league in. Least amount of pass attempts IN the end zone.
I agree we SHOULD have went for it in the 4th quarter.
Nice recap Mitch and please ignore the complainers. They don't have to read it.
This offense has to be re evaluated from the front office on down to the water boy.
There is no way in hell any game plan of ours should limit Fitz to 4 or 5 targets. I don'tcare what the opposition is doing.
And we should throw deep, but you have to do it early in the downs. We ran the ball well enough today to take advantage of play action but really didn't do it. We don't impose any kind of will against the defense.
Oh anither thing that REALLY sticks in my craw. We have got to lead the league in passes att/com that come up short of the first down marker.
It's hard to win a horse race when all you have is a burro.
I also disagreed with going for it on 4th down because we need EVERY point we can get when we near the red zone. Odds are we would have had to settle for a field goal anyway. A first down doesn't mean we are going to score a TD...unless of course we actually threw it to the endzone. That's another stat I'll bet we lead the league in. Least amount of pass attempts IN the end zone.
I agree we SHOULD have went for it in the 4th quarter.
Nice recap Mitch and please ignore the complainers. They don't have to read it.
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Mitch
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I would like to point out as well---just one pure and simple fact---that John Skelton received the fewest snaps in pre-season of any of the 3 QBs the team kept.
That's what was so odd about him being named the starter week 1.
CKW did that with Warner, but Warner was a veteran...an NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP to boot.
This was Skelton's first training camp where from the start he was getting first team reps.
When CKW yanked Skelton in the Raider game after watching Kamerion Wimbley eat up his blindside play after play and after Skelton had a drive going and Michael Floyd dropped an easy third down conversion to end the drive, CKW's agenda became trying to help pick Kevin Kolb out from the lowest of doldrums (at Skelton's expense).
CKW was nicely successful in that attempt, because Skelton got hurt and then the team got 4 wins out of Kolb---
But today was Skelton's first start since week one. That should be kept in perspective.
Skelton obviously really struggled with third down conversions---the interception was horrible, and the fumble hurt as well.
But---oddly enough, the rest of his performance---despite the 7 sacks, etc. was respectable...nearly 65% completions for 267 yards and a TD.
Last year Skelton beat the 49ers because he beat them deep, once to Roberts on a 75 yard TD and once to Fitzgerald. If he can threaten them deep, the Cardinals have a chance---if the coaches make him dink and dunk like they did today, the Cardinals versus that defense have no chance.
I think it is fair to question Skelton's long-term role based on some of the mistakes he's made---but I also think it is fair to question why he was given so few reps in 5 pre-season games...yup...5 pre-season games.
That's what was so odd about him being named the starter week 1.
CKW did that with Warner, but Warner was a veteran...an NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP to boot.
This was Skelton's first training camp where from the start he was getting first team reps.
When CKW yanked Skelton in the Raider game after watching Kamerion Wimbley eat up his blindside play after play and after Skelton had a drive going and Michael Floyd dropped an easy third down conversion to end the drive, CKW's agenda became trying to help pick Kevin Kolb out from the lowest of doldrums (at Skelton's expense).
CKW was nicely successful in that attempt, because Skelton got hurt and then the team got 4 wins out of Kolb---
But today was Skelton's first start since week one. That should be kept in perspective.
Skelton obviously really struggled with third down conversions---the interception was horrible, and the fumble hurt as well.
But---oddly enough, the rest of his performance---despite the 7 sacks, etc. was respectable...nearly 65% completions for 267 yards and a TD.
Last year Skelton beat the 49ers because he beat them deep, once to Roberts on a 75 yard TD and once to Fitzgerald. If he can threaten them deep, the Cardinals have a chance---if the coaches make him dink and dunk like they did today, the Cardinals versus that defense have no chance.
I think it is fair to question Skelton's long-term role based on some of the mistakes he's made---but I also think it is fair to question why he was given so few reps in 5 pre-season games...yup...5 pre-season games.
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Sorry, Skelton has been in the league and with the team long enough. The guy doesn't have what it takes to be a starter in the NFL. In my opinion anyway.
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You said all that in your prediction that CKW would name Kolb the starter but if he didn't it would be unfair to Skelton giving him fewer snaps. In other words a prediction where you could only be wrong if CKW somehow named Lindley the starter. IF it was Kolb I Told you so, if it was Skelton, not enough reps.
If he named Skelton the starter to prop up Kolb he's an evil genius.
He named Skelton the starter because Kolb lost the job in the preseason. Then somehow Kolb played well when Skelton got hurt and it became clear why the Cards believed they'd be a better team if Kolb won the job. Problem is he can't stay healthy.
About a 3rd of those yards today came in the stat padding drive that got us within one TD against a prevent. as someone who has Roberts in my fantasy team it was great, and because our defense had their pass game so throttled we actually made the game somewhat close, but in no way did Skelton play well save 2 drives and one of those drives he fumbled at the end of.
Kolb is not anything great either but you can see why Whiz doesn't fully trust Skelton he simply isn't accurate enough. We need a QB we all know it and I don't think it really matters who is calling the plays with this OL and these 2 QB's.
az1965
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Actually, 25/36 (69.4%); 262 yards; Avg 7.3; TD 1; Int 1; Rtg 88.0!
Not bad at all... You are right. Take his pick six away and he had a really good showing today.
Third down efficiency: 5-14 (35.7%) vs. Vikes 1/10 (10%)... Again not too bad at all.
az1965
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Actally it was Doucet 60 yards catch and run where Fitz threw a great block to make that happen.
Buckybird
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Trash yards in mostly the 4th qtr when Minny had a 14 pt lead & the completions were because most of the passes were under 7 yds.
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You are forgetting the fact we only scored 14 points and 7 of those were set up by the Lenon pick. So Skelton led us on a scoring drive when we were down 14 in the fourth quarter against a prevent D. He also threw a pick six earlier to wipe this out. Not a good day. Did you really watch this game?
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I'm thinking his name is really Steve Skelton
He obviously watched a differant game than 95% of this board did.
az1965
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yes, I did... apparently some of you did not. He also made some good plays.
az1965
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Yes, I liked John over Kolb but there is just too much unfair trashing of him on this board.
Its not unfair. No way no how.
az1965
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I'm still waiting from you data showing Kolb's pinky finger has more talent that Skelton and Skelton is not even remotely good as Kolb...I'm thinking his name is really Steve Skelton
He obviously watched a differant game than 95% of this board did.
az1965
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How so?
Buckybird
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Why because he's averaging more picks in his career per game than Jamarcus Russell? I think that's an incredible stat...Bones is a turnover machine anyway you paint the canvas! Terrible accuracy. What's else you need to know? IMO those are the 2 most important stats is judging an NFL QB.
His play on the field speaks for itself..His atrociousness in TC speaks volumes too.
Another game we could have won
but we made every effort to lose
we managed to stop their running game late in the game. They had no passing game (Ponder 58 yards!!!!)
Feely miss
two 4th down stop
pick 6
Game could have been different
but we made every effort to lose
we managed to stop their running game late in the game. They had no passing game (Ponder 58 yards!!!!)
Feely miss
two 4th down stop
pick 6
Game could have been different
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