Wanna win now, huh ? Then the 1st round pick is......

[RugbyMuffin]

Well, in my mind it is Chance Warmack.

Why? Well, we want to win now, and in my opinion by choosing Chance Warmack you significantly improve your guard position.

What I am getting at is, in my opinion, you are improving your team more by replacing Adam Snyder, or Daryn Colledge with Chance Warmack, than you are by replacing Levi Brown or Bobby Massie with Lane Johnson.

And no, I 100% guarantee that Eric Fischer is not there at #7 and that Luke Joeckel will be long gone.

So, the question is, Lane Johnson or Chance Warmack, who improves the team move by putting them in the current line up ?

I know my answer, what is your.

 

[Shane]

Well, in my mind it is Chance Warmack.

Why? Well, we want to win now, and in my opinion by choosing Chance Warmack you significantly improve your guard position.

What I am getting at is, in my opinion, you are improving your team more by replacing Adam Snyder, or Daryn Colledge with Chance Warmack, than you are by replacing Levi Brown or Bobby Massie with Lane Johnson.

And no, I 100% guarantee that Eric Fischer is not there at #7 and that Luke Joeckel will be long gone.

So, the question is, Lane Johnson or Chance Warmack, who improves the team move by putting them in the current line up ?

I know my answer, what is your.

If your going OL you go Warmack.

Levi is not going anywhere and only a fool would bench or try and move Massie. That kid is already and will continue to be a player at RT.

 

[Buckybird]

I think it's Warmack also, unless someone snatches him from us.

IMO drafting Warmack ensures either Snyder or Colledge gets the axe with my bet pointing at #68...plug & play baby!!!

 

[Catfish]

I agree with your assumption Muffin. The really good teams are built from the inside out. Using our first pick on Warmack is as solid a pick as we could make, as Warmack is likely to be around for 10-15 years on this OL. He is as sure a bet as there is in this draft.

 

[Shane]

I think it's Warmack also, unless someone snatches him from us.

IMO drafting Warmack ensures either Snyder or Colledge gets the axe with my bet pointing at #68...plug & play baby!!!

Screw that Snyder can play center and **** can Sendlein

 

[az jam]

Warmack.

 

[kerouac9]

I think you're almost as well off if you replace Snyder or Colledge with Lane Johnson.

I think you could argue that you're better off replacing O'Brien Schofield with Demontre Moore than you are with replacing either Colledge or Snyder, especially if you're already replacing one guard with Senio Kelemete.

 

[JeffGollin]

Warmack or one of the three top OT's - not just to "win now" but also to strengthen the infrastructure of the overall franchise.

 

[Shane]

Warmack or one of the three top OT's - not just to "win now" but also to strengthen the infrastructure of the overall franchise.

He is a guard.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A good case can be made for Cooper as well.

I think the Cards improve themsleves more by taking Dion Jordan,or another OLB, in round 1 and the guys like Barret Jones and Dallas Thomas in rounds 2-4.

 

[Buckybird]

Screw that Snyder can play center and **** can Sendlein

He impressed me at center as much as his play at OG & that wasn't much

 

[Heucrazy]

Lane Johnson will make me furious if he's the pick. Why take the 3rd best OT when you can take the by far best OG?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I agree with your assumption Muffin. The really good teams are built from the inside out. Using our first pick on Warmack is as solid a pick as we could make, as Warmack is likely to be around for 10-15 years on this OL. He is as sure a bet as there is in this draft.

First off, I completely agree.

I was screaming, literally screaming at the radio on my way home.

I know, I know Ron Wolfley is far from a draft guru, but he has circled his wagons around Lane Johnson with the logic that you don't draft guards. You only draft OT, and make them OG.

That is 1980's, and 1990's logic right there. Why on heaven and earth would you draft a tackle and then put him at guard ? Why take a guy who has to learn a whole new position and put him at guard ? Makes no sense. If you need a guard, and the Cardinals desperately need one, then you draft the gosh darn guard.

I mean, this is not a huge leap of faith here. It is as basic logic as there is.

You don't go to the food store for carrot, and buy potatoes and say, well at worst they can be used like carrots. Don't think that sentence makes sense, well, now you know what I feel like when people start talking about taking the 3rd best tackle, over the best player in the draft, and by far the best guard in the draft.

What is the reason ? Well, tackles are more valuable, and you don't draft guards? Says who ? And why ?

But, it didn't stop there. Ron Wolfley was all, "Well, if you don't draft a tackle, then draft a guard won't matter cause the defense will just consistently beat the LT and ruin everything."

Huh ? What ? What team was Wolfley watching last year ? Did he not see what happened to our RB when they ran between the tackles, did he not see what happens to our QB's when they step up in the pocket?

News flash Wolfley, if you don't fix the guard position then we will watch the EXACT same show we did last season. Our offensive line going backwards, and getting blown up consistently on the inside.

So the DE doesn't come around the end, GREAT! Because if he does get around the end, it won't matter cause the DT will have already pushed Snyder or Colledge, or Sendlein into our QB and squished him.

I just don't understand why it is so hard for people to just take the easy choice. Why be cute ? Why try to outsmart people ? Why convince yourself of something non-logical because of "rules of thumb".

We want to win now huh ?

Well, then get the best players and put them on the roster.

 

[Shane]

Anyone suggesting moving Massie to G really needs to evaluate how they evaluate OL.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think you could argue that you're better off replacing O'Brien Schofield with Demontre Moore than you are with replacing either Colledge or Snyder, especially if you're already replacing one guard with Senio Kelemete.

Enough out of you with your logic, and reasoning.

I am on a roll.

 

[52brandon]

He is a guard.

lol, he did say "or"


I'm all for Warmack. Fisher and Joeckel are the only other 2 I think that deserve to be drafted so highly. Assuming they're both gone as many have said, Warmack is the guy


as for the rest of the line, I hope Arians makes Levi earn his job from Potter. While Levi looked good in the last half of his last season, the rest of his career was awful. Average it all out and I think Potter is the better LT. It depends how Levi comes back from his injury. Does the injury hamper him? Does he play like he did his last few games? Or does he play like he did the rest of his career? Either way though, the moves made on offense sure give me some optimism

 

[Buckybird]

as for the rest of the line, I hope Arians makes Levi earn his job from Potter. While Levi looked good in the last half of his last season, the rest of his career was awful. Average it all out and I think Potter is the better LT. It depends how Levi comes back from his injury. Does the injury hamper him? Does he play like he did his last few games? Or does he play like he did the rest of his career? Either way though, the moves made on offense sure give me some optimism

I agree, but IMO BA has already given the LT job by calling him "elite".

Hopefully Palmer sees week 8 after getting blindsided over & over like every other QB has since #75 has been the LT...150+ sacks in 3 years doesn't lie about how bad he is & the Oline in general.

The other concern has to be how many hits & sacks BAs offenses give up each year & can't be ignored

 

[Shane]

I agree, but IMO BA has already given the LT job by calling him "elite".

Hopefully Palmer sees week 8 after getting blindsided over & over like every other QB has since #75 has been the LT...150+ sacks in 3 years doesn't lie about how bad he is & the Oline in general.

Levi Brown hasent given up 150 sacks in his entire career??

 

[Buckybird]

Levi Brown hasent given up 150 sacks in his entire career??

This whole craptastic Oline has in the last 3 years...led by you know who

 

[Shane]

This whole craptastic Oline has in the last 3 years...led by you know who

you mean lead 2 out of 3 years?? Or 1.5 years out of 3 years? Because last year he didnt play and the year before the guy was brilliant the last half of the season

 

[Buckybird]

you mean lead 2 out of 3 years?? Or 1.5 years out of 3 years? Because last year he didnt play and the year before the guy was brilliant the last half of the season

Kevin Kolb was brilliant the 1st 3 games of last season too.

I'm gonna Lmao when this board is screaming for #75 to be sent to the scrap heap 7 games into next season...he's a big part of the problem!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Kevin Kolb was brilliant the 1st 3 games of last season too.

I'm gonna Lmao when this board is screaming for #75 to be sent to the scrap heap 7 games into next season...he's a big part of the problem!

Russ Grimm was a bigger part of the problem.

 

[devilalum]

Has there been any hint that the Cards are interested in Warmack? Did they attend his pro day? Just curious, if they did I'm sure it has been mentioned before but I'm too lazy to try and find it.

 

[kerouac9]

Here's the thing, Rugby:

Putting a rookie OL in the lineup is rarely a short-term solution unless you have a truly dreadful starter. Like D'Anthony Batiste-level dreadful. Drafting Warmack and replacing one of our veteran guards is in all likelihood a "one step back, two steps forward" proposition. We'll be better off in the long run, but we've seen that young OL make big mistakes with Massie, Brandon Keith, and Levi Brown. We'll see those same mistakes from Warmack, despite his physical gifts.

I'm happy if the coaching staff feels like they have to replace 3/5th of our OL from 2012. I'm fine if they think that we can win with only going from Batiste/Potter to Levi Brown and adding some developmental draft picks, plus improvement at TE who cares about blocking.

 

[Shane]

Russ Grimm was a bigger part of the problem.

YESSIR!