War Room report on Gholston at OSU pro day and other notes

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Draft Dish: Gholston pro day reviews mixed
March 9, 2008


By Russ Lande

NFL personnel arrived at the Ohio State on-campus workout excited about how DE Vernon Gholston would perform. He no doubt looks the part, with a muscular, defined build. Gholston impressed many when he ran his 40 on field turf instead of Ohio State's notoriously fast track, timing a 4.63 and a 4.65. He then had a 37- to 38-inch vertical jump; anyone who reports he jumped 42 inches has bad sources, because the testing unit was slightly broken during his jump. Once on the field, though, Gholston was not nearly as impressive. He is so muscular and big that he struggled to bend his knees and sink his hips, which hindered his ability to change directions in drills. Gholston was not the only Buckeye to work out. OT Kirk Barton ran a good 40 on the fast track (in the 4.98 range, though there was some variance depending on the scout). However, he was not impressive in drills and did not make anyone think he is a better athlete than he has showed during games. ...

The reviews were mixed for Indiana's top two prospects at the Hoosiers' on-campus workout. Big WR James Hardy did not do many of the drills and refused to run a 60-yard shuttle, opting to rely on his performance at the Combine. He did have a vertical jump of 36 inches, and he turned in a decent workout. He was smooth and athletic running routes but double-caught most of the passes. He did not impress enough to climb into first-round territory. CB Tracy Porter ran well, clocking a 4.49 and 4.51 in the 40, and he looked athletic and quick-footed in drills. But he didn't knock anyone's socks off and raised concerns by displaying a lack of competitiveness, a trait he often showed on film but had improved upon during the Senior Bowl and Combine. Porter did not hurt or help himself much when the day was over and did not force himself into the conversation with the top cornerbacks. CB Leslie Majors and QB Blake Powers also worked out, but neither player impressed. Majors looked stiff in drills and consistently struggled to change directions and flip his hips. Powers is so big and muscular that he lacks the flexibility needed to torque and throw the ball accurately. ...

One lesser-known player who had a strong on-campus workout this week was Defiance College WR Luke Dillon, who worked out at the Ohio State pro day. A highly productive small-school receiver, he caught more than 90 passes in 2007 and grabbed some NFL scouts' attention. He definitely looked the part during his workout, when he clocked a 4.50 and 4.46 in the 40 on the fast track. Dillon was smooth and fluid throughout the workout, especially running routes and catching the ball. He has positioned himself to be a late-round consideration. ...

Kent State CB Jack Williams has a lot of supporters among NFL scouts, but coaches are going to have to be won over because of Williams' lack of height (5-9). He helped himself with a good workout, though, showing his speed with a 4.33 in the 40 and his athleticism with a vertical jump of 40 inches. Throughout his workout, he showed quick feet and an explosive burst after changing directions, qualities NFL teams covet. ...

Throughout the 2007 season, New Mexico WR Marcus Smith was viewed by many as a better prospect than teammate Travis Brown, which helped Smith earn an invite to the Senior Bowl. They both did well at their on-campus workout. Smith ran a 4.44 in the 40, but he only had a 29-inch vertical jump. Though Brown did not run as fast (4.49) as Smith, he had a 34-inch vertical jump. Both players caught the ball well and had solid workouts, but from what we heard Brown probably jumped ahead of Smith.

Russ Lande founded GM Jr. Scouting LLC, a football scouting service that analyzes NFL draft prospects for Sporting News.
 
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Draft Dish: On-campus workouts are key in the week ahead
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By Russ Lande

The next phase in the NFL Draft evaluation process is under way, with on-campus workouts for players at schools across the country.

Here are the so-called "pro days" to watch in the week ahead.

March 6: Delaware

Matt Ryan of Boston College is the hot name among quarterbacks, including in a Sporting News magazine cover story this week. There's also a buzz going about the Blue Hens' Joe Flacco, and scouts will flock to Newark, Del., for further evaluation.

The War Room, like others who has seen him, view Flacco as the most physically gifted quarterback in the 2008 Draft class. He has an outstanding arm and can make every throw with excellent zip and accuracy when his footwork is good.

It's the footwork scouts will be watching, because Flacco has a chance to show off improvements he has made since season's end.

A solid on-campus workout could propel Flacco into the early first round. SN's latest mock draft has Flacco going 52nd overall. By this time next week he could be in the low teens.

March 7: Ohio State

Vernon Gholston comes off a strong Combine showing and will be a headliner for the Buckeyes' workout in Columbus.

Gholston's play in 2007 didn't warrant mention as an elite prospect, but he stunned observers at the Indianapolis workouts and got a major boost in his draft stock.

Most teams using 4-3 defensive schemes see Gholston as an end; 3-4 teams see him as a rush linebacker. Gholston prefers to play end but must prove his athleticism and intelligence during linebacker workouts. This will be a crucial day for his draft stock, especially if he wants to stay high on 3-4 teams' draft boards.

March 7: Arizona State

Robert James isn't an elite prospect, but he is an intriguing player because of his speed and athletic ability. An outside linebacker, James could be productive in pro pass coverage. His goal in this on-campus workout is to show scouts he has foot quickness, acceleration, playing speed and smooth athletic ability. At a tad over 5-10, James needs all the advantages he can get.

March 7: Purdue

Don't expect tight end Dustin Keller and defensive end Cliff Avril to run 40-yard dashes for scouts at West Lafayette, Ind. Both had excellent times at the Combine. Rather, they will display their quickness, speed and athletic talent in position drills.

Keller came away from the Combine with scouts believing he can be a good all-around tight end. A good workout on campus could move him into the second round. That's where The War Room ranks him in its latest mock draft.

Avril must follow up an outstanding Combine with a strong on-campus showing. He has talent; now he must convince coaches they can bring it out. Avril isn't as good as other former Boilermakers defense ends who became NFL linebackers, including Anthony Spencer, Rosevelt Colvin and Shaun Phillips.

This also is a big day for wide receiver Dorien Bryant, who looked tiny at the Senior Bowl. He's listed at a shade under 5-10, 175 pounds but doesn't appear that large. Bryant must show teams he has elite foot quickness, acceleration and speed to thrive as a slot receiver. We have Bryant rated as a fifth-round pick.

March 7: San Diego

Quarterback coaches will fly from Delaware to Southern California to watch the draft's most-discussed small-school quarterback. He's Josh Johnson, who became a star with his Combine work. Talking heads made much of Johnson's 40-yard dash time and its impact on his rising draft stock. In reality, teams were more impressed by how he handled himself in workouts and interviews, where he was a small-school player thrown into the spotlight for the first time.

That's not all: Teams also want to see more of Johnson's quick, compact and effective footwork and his release/delivery on passes. He threw quicker and showed better arm strength than scouts expected in Indianapolis.

With another good showing in on-campus work, especially in throwing and intelligence tests, Johnson might see his stock soar.

March 7: South Florida

The potential star in Tampa is cornerback Mike Jenkins, who will get a closer look after taking part in the Combine. Jenkins could be the top cornerback taken in this draft if he can separate himself from a four-player pack.

Jenkins needs a strong workout. We like his versatility. Jenkins also has the size, strength and athletic ability to play any type of coverage. That's rare for most cornerbacks coming out of college.

Fellow cornerback Trae Williams and inside linebacker Ben Moffett were at the Combine with Jenkins, and they should co-star in this workout.

March 8: Arizona

Cornerback Antoine Cason came to the Combine with a following, but teams needed to get a better read on his speed and how it would translate to tight man coverage. He surprised some teams and confirmed his speed to others with a 4.5 40-yard dash.

Cason is on the rise because of his Combine performance. A strong workout in Tucson could move him into the late first round or early second.

March 10: Auburn

Defensive coaches will flock to Auburn to get a better look at Quentin Groves. They'll want to see if Groves, an undersized end, might stick at his position or have the stuff to switch to outside linebacker. There is no doubt Groves has the athletic ability to be a productive pass-rushing end in a 4-3 scheme. He really could become a star as a rush linebacker in a 3-4 system like the ones used by the Chargers or Cowboys.

March 10: Northwest Missouri State

Grab a map and find Maryville, Mo., because tailback Xavier Omon is the best small-school running back in this draft class. Somewhere north of Kansas City and east of Omaha, teams will see how Omon handles the entire positional workout. We see Omon as a fourth- or fifth-round pick, but if he runs well, proves himself a capable receiver and aces this workout he could move into the third round.

Bearcats teammate Mike Peterson is an undersized tight end, in the mold of Purdue's Keller. With a good workout Peterson could catch a bunch of attention and move from borderline draftable into the fifth round.

March 11: California

Golden Bears prospects aren't getting a lot of buzz, but this workout excites a surprising number of teams. The headliner is wide receiver DeSean Jackson, who has rare speed and playmaking ability. He could be a first-round pick with a strong on-campus workout. The key for Jackson is to weigh it at more than 170 pounds and do well in his chalkboard work.

Fellow receiver Lavelle Hawkins is a tad bigger than Jackson, and he is building on a great Senior Bowl and good Combine. This workout could cement Hawkins into the second or third rounds. Scouts will closely watch his hands, because he caught better in Mobile than he did during the season.

Tight end Craig Stevens came to Indianapolis with the label of good blocker. Then, he ran well and was smooth and athletic in receiving drills. He now is seen as a complete tight end, and could climb draft boards by showing quickness, crisp routes and good hands in his Berkeley workout.

This is a crucial test for tailback Justin Forsett, who lacks ideal size and might slide off some draft boards if he doesn't light it up in these drills.

We're looking forward to watching safety Thomas DeCoud, because he has a shot at becoming a second-round pick. DeCoud failed to impress scouts in his early games, but those who took time to analyze his performance over six or seven games discovered he can be productive against the run and in coverage.

March 12: Kansas

NFL people want to see cornerback Aqib Talib and tackle Anthony Collins in workouts at Lawrence. Expect Talib to run 40-yard dashes, because his Combine time was a disappointment. He hopes to run in the 4.4s. He also must pass his chalkboard work to stay among the best cornerbacks available.

Collins is a good athlete, but film studies do him no favors. His job is to emphasize his athletic ability and bring out his competitiveness. He too must prove his mental acuity.
 

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I consider Gholston to be about the caliber of prospect that Merriman was. I hope he goes to the AFC since he won't be sliding to us.
 

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One guy's opinion. He seems to downgrade every "name" prospect and trump up the lesser knowns. Probably trying to show that he's some kind of scouting guru :thumbdown. OSU does have a very fast track but every report i've read has ahd Gholston lighting up his pro day and moving even higher in the draft. That guy obviously NEVER watched an OSU game if he says Gholston had a so-so year and his play didn't warrant a top pick. I'm sure if VG played for Bowling Green, or the likes, this guys would be hyping him. I'm using VG as my argument because i have seen him play every game but look at what the guys says about Avrill,Hardy, Porter, and every other name guy. He downplays the good and accentuates the bad. And how does the vertical measuring device malfunction? There's nothing to it.
 

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Jets, i doubt, would ever let him get to NE. I could even see the Rams taking him but he's probably not worthy of #2,not too far behind that though.
 

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One guy's opinion. He seems to downgrade every "name" prospect and trump up the lesser knowns. Probably trying to show that he's some kind of scouting guru :thumbdown. OSU does have a very fast track but every report i've read has ahd Gholston lighting up his pro day and moving even higher in the draft. That guy obviously NEVER watched an OSU game if he says Gholston had a so-so year and his play didn't warrant a top pick. I'm sure if VG played for Bowling Green, or the likes, this guys would be hyping him. I'm using VG as my argument because i have seen him play every game but look at what the guys says about Avrill,Hardy, Porter, and every other name guy. He downplays the good and accentuates the bad. And how does the vertical measuring device malfunction? There's nothing to it.


Huh? Don't you know this is the best part of the draft process? Pro Days: Where scouts and GMs lie to the press in order to assist the prospect that they want to fall to them. If a coach says that a prospect's workout was disappointing, you can bet that the coach will be drafting him early.
 

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Huh? Don't you know this is the best part of the draft process? Pro Days: Where scouts and GMs lie to the press in order to assist the prospect that they want to fall to them. If a coach says that a prospect's workout was disappointing, you can bet that the coach will be drafting him early.
Pro days are kind of goofy. I still remember when Dwight Freeney ran about a 4.45 38 yard dash :D that vaulted him into the top 10.
 
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Cbus, as I've made known often enough to make people sick of reading it, I have little regard for the "experts" and trust the each schools' fan's opinions far more, since they have probably seen every game their team has played.

But I still enjoy reading the stuff. The few times I saw OSU play, Gholston seemed to play well most of the time.
 

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Isn't he about the same size as Gholston? 6'4 265.

Freeney was a lightweight when he first came into the league. Somewhere between 230-245 if memory serves me. He has put on a ton of muscle without really losing any speed.
 

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Freeney was a lightweight when he first came into the league. Somewhere between 230-245 if memory serves me. He has put on a ton of muscle without really losing any speed.

Freeney was measured at the combine in 2002 at 6' 7/16" and 266 pounds.
 

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Oh my, GBN just blew their already low credibility with me. Moving a guy up based on combine horsebleep and pro day deeper horsebleep?

I hope nobody has to pay good money to buy and read GBN drivel.

:D

GBN is the sports equivalent of TMZ.
 

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:p. I like GBN. Their draft rankings are usually pretty good. Gholston won't be the #1 overall though. But i wouldn't be surprised to him top 5.
 

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about Gholston, here's another opinion. New #1 in town?

http://gbnreport.com

you never know

at this time two years ago, the idea of Mario Williams at #1 would have drawn similiar disbelief

Parcells could decide to go defense, and decide that Gholston is a far better 3-4 fit (and impact) than Long or Dorsey.

At the end of the day, I think Jake Long goes #1 -- just the safest pick out of the three or four guys who are all pretty much rated the same.
 
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