Warner As Good As Gone?

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It's starting to look that way...

Why would the 49ers offer Warner the $29M that the Cardinals won't?

Signing Warner will make them the clear favorites to win the NFC West because it will give them the advantage the Cardinals have had: a super smart QB who plays lights-out in the playoffs and who can make 1,000 yard receivers out of even second year pros. Plus, the Niners already have a strong running game led by Frank Gore.

Signing Warner makes the 49ers a Super Bowl contenders for the next two years. Yup, what the Cardinals would continue to be if...

The Cardinals went 6-0 in the NFC West this past season.

Without Warner, will they win half the NFC West games next season?

The Cardinals went 3-1 in the playoffs this past season.

Without Warner will the Cardinals even make the playoffs next season?

The Niners know what advantage the Cardinals have had with Warner at QB. Their acquiring Warner would be the equivalence of the Portland Trailblazers acquiring Steve Nash and not having to give up anything in return. It would make the Trailblazers more dynamic and it would take the star player off a superior team and make them much easier to beat.

Warner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is insisting that Warner interest in other teams is "genuine"...he told NFL Network that "If you think Warner is not sincere about signing somewhere else, you don't know Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner doesn't use people."

If Bartelstein is correct, the minute Kurt Warner steps on the plane for SF, he will be gone.

The fallout from this debacle for the Cardinals will be egregious. As Mike Lombardi of NFL Network said, "Losing Warner for the Cardinals would mean that all the good will they built up over the Super Bowl run will be lost."

The nation-wide perception of the Cardinals in the media and with football fans will immediately revert back to the not-so-distant humiliating past when everyone considered the Cardinal front office paragons of ineptitude, parsimony and sheer stupidity.

Then...imagine the continued fallout when Anquan Boldin cries louder than ever to be traded. Every non-partisan football fan and media reporter will have no other choice but to agree with Boldin.

If Warner walks...Boldin's situation will only get uglier and nastier.

Again, the Cardinals will be blamed for ruining the one great season they've had in what seems like forever. many will point back to the one other good year in Arizona, 1998 and the fallout from that season as key players bolted town, and ask, did the Cardinals learn anything?

In this tough economy...how many potential ticket buyers will snub the Cardinals following this debacle? Heck, the Cardinals nearly didn't sell out their first home playoff game.

Michael Smith of ESPN had perhaps the most inightful take on the situation...he said, "where the disconnect with the Cardinals and Warner is, the Cardinals have vowed not to let the emotions of their Super Bowl run affect the way they assess the value of their players in terms of contracts...Warner want to be paid for his role in getting the Cardinals to the Super Bowl...that's where the disconnect is."

And when one considers how odd Warner has been behaving since the Super Bowl, one must wonder if Warner has lost his true sense of being. Following the NFC Championship Warner thanked the Cardinals profusely for being the team that gave him the chance, when other teams thought he was washed up.

Following the Super Bowl Warner praised God as he always does and said he was going to ask God if he should keep playing football.

If it's one thing Warner has always been, and endearingly so, is humble.

Where is Warner's humbleness now? One can sense he is uneasy about talking about the money. Has Warner's humbleness been replaced by greed? What God has Warner been listening to then?

The Cardinals have offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid player on the team. Warner would make more money than teammate Larry Fitzgerald, who arguably is the best football player on the planet right now. Warner would make more money than Anquan Boldin, Adrian Wilson and Sean Morey (three fellow Pro Bowlers) COMBINED.

This is not enough for Warner.

There is a salary cap...the slices of the pie can only be doled out so sparingly in order to feed all the players on a 53 man roster.

Warner has even said he would give a sliver of his slice to make sure Q gets his fair slice.

But there's no talk of that now.

Warner wants his $29M.

Some of the others will have to do without. In fact, two of Warner's millions might have been able to go to keeping Bertrand Berry a Cardinal. Has Warner even thought about that?

Moving on to SF will mean starting over...a new organization, new coaches, new owners, new teammates, new systems...

Warner is going to have to uproot his family once again...which will mean a new house, new doctors, new schools, new dentists...

At 38 and with two years left...this decision would seem insane.

But the one motivator...for him to walk away from all he and his family have here in Arizona, within a community in which they are embraced and rightfully revered for all the humanitarian efforts they make, and within an organization that gave him his Rennaisance and catered its system to his strengths...yes, the one motivation?
 
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I really don't have a problem with Warner getting as much as he can. I equally don't have a problem with the Cards setting a value they think is fair and sticking with that.
 

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I had to stop reading here.

"Signing Warner makes the 49ers a Super Bowl contenders for the next two years"

This is clearly an emotional statement void of most logic.
 

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did I miss something? Are the Niners going to offer him that kind of money?
 

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I had to stop reading here.

"Signing Warner makes the 49ers a Super Bowl contenders for the next two years"

This is clearly an emotional statement void of most logic.

Exactly. It was right then that I knew "Bad Mitch" was in charge during that post.
 

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Why would the 49ers offer Warner the $29M that the Cardinals won't?
Fact, assumption or rumor?
Signing Warner makes the 49ers a Super Bowl contenders for the next two years. Yup, what the Cardinals would continue to be if...
I don't agree with either of those statements. Division contenders, yes. Super Bowl contenders, no.
Where is Warner's humbleness now? One can sense he is uneasy about talking about the money. Has Warner's humbleness been replaced by greed? What God has Warner been listening to then?
Churches and Christianity never want anything to do with money.:rolleyes:
The Cardinals have offered him a contract that would make him the highest paid player on the team.
That isn't particularly unique to the QB position. If you want to go down this path, I bet Ben Roethlisberger makes more than have the Steelers roster combined.
Warner has even said he would give a sliver of his slice to make sure Q gets his fair slice.
Who says he isn't still willing to do so?
 

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This is mostly conjecture... I believe the make up of the 49ers offense is not benevolent to Kurt in this stage of his career. This is a strategy to gain leverage against the Cardinals and not a serious consideration. I call the bluff when I see Tony Wragge as an offensive line starter for this team
 

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So all of these bloated heads that continued to knock the Cardinals throughout the playoffs now have insight?
If Warner wants to run off to the 49ers for a couple more million then I say we take his cap space and re-sign Boldin for 9 million and put the rest towards the running game and defense. If the Cards stick to their guns on this I'm led to believe that they have faith in Leinart.
 
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did I miss something? Are the Niners going to offer him that kind of money?

There would be no point in meeting with them if they weren't. The 49ers know that if they want Warner they have to offer him what the Cardinals won't.
 
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I had to stop reading here.

"Signing Warner makes the 49ers a Super Bowl contenders for the next two years"

This is clearly an emotional statement void of most logic.

Isn't it simple? If the 49ers win the division, they make the playoffs. The Cardinals made the playoffs with a 9-7 record and made it all the way to the Super Bowl. If Warner gets hot again, why can't the 49ers?
 

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There would be no point in meeting with them if they weren't. The 49ers know that if they want Warner they have to offer him what the Cardinals won't.

I think you may need to come to the realization that Kurt's agent arranged this meeting in a retaliatory attempt to publically shame the Cardinals front office in the media and to call the team's bluff
 
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I think you may need to come to the realization that Kurt's agent arranged this meeting in a retaliatory attempt to publically shame the Cardinals front office in the media and to call the team's bluff

I hope you are right, Ryan.
 

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warner won't go to a team that doesn't have recievers like us. he knows he'll fail if he does
 

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Well put Mitch!
The reality is that he very well could be. I don't like it, but why would they show this much interest in him know what he wants if they weren't serious.
 

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My fear is that the Cardinals front office comes away as the bad guys in this ordeal. Everything reported in the media has the Cardinals offering over 10 million a year which in my non-NFL opinion is more than fair as it is greater than a 50% raise.

It sounds like the front office is giving Kurt a fair deal but not willing to overpay which I can handle
 
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My fear is that the Cardinals front office comes away as the bad guys in this ordeal. Everything reported in the media has the Cardinals offering over 10 million a year which in my non-NFL opinion is more than fair as it is greater than a 50% raise.

It sounds like the front office is giving Kurt a fair deal but not willing to overpay which I can handle

Thus far the media seems to clearly be siding with the Cardinals. Trey Wingo implied in the interview with Warner today that the Cardinals have made a strong offer.

But, if Warner does get away, especially to a division rival, the scrutiny will intensify big-time.
 

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My fear is that the Cardinals front office comes away as the bad guys in this ordeal. Everything reported in the media has the Cardinals offering over 10 million a year which in my non-NFL opinion is more than fair as it is greater than a 50% raise.

It sounds like the front office is giving Kurt a fair deal but not willing to overpay which I can handle
Agreed, and it sounds like Kurt was just expecting them to go a bit higher and now that he hasn't, he want to see what he can get from other teams. What bugs me the most is that he's doing this after stating that he wants to stay here.
 

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I think Warner should start looking at the stats before making this decision.

Sacks Allowed:
#32 San Francisco - 55.0
 

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We got the Whiners and who else?
One other mystery team?
Teams aren't exactly beating down the door to get kurt.

Draw the line in the sand!

If you want to cross it Kurt, so be it!
 

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Kurt Warner is a system QB. He would struggle tremendously if he doesn't have a good supporting cast, something the 49ers don't have.

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Either way the Cards have their bases covered. If Warner signs with the 49ers it's time for us to look to the future. I don't think the Cards would be playing hardball if they didn't have faith in Leinart (or St. Pierre, Mitch)
 

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the Niner's OL is much worse than ours, their WRs are hardly average and I won't even go how much better our WRs are even without Boldin. Plus he will play in a stadium outdoors with some funky wind coming off the bay. I think Warner is a great QB...but he won't be able to overcome what awaits him if he is a niner
 

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listen pal. ive got three words for you brian. st. pierre. maybe you should get to know him.
 

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Jeez, this is turning into a really bad episode of The Bachelorette, or some god-awful Country Western song.

Someone needs to give the guy the damn rose, so he can stop looking for love in all the wrong places.

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