Warner over 400 yards

[English on tour]

would have taken that before kick off and a good answer to that first half but he just killed us out there today.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

yup another fumble. thanks warner.

 

[Shzm13]

Wow, didnt even notice that.

He actually overthrew Favre by 140..

Too bad Favre didn't throw two picks and drop 4 balls..

 

[joeshmo]

6 turnovers. We knew a game like this was coming and there will be more without a doubt. It is why Warner wont lead a team to the playoffs anymore and why the coaching staff wanted Matt to win the job so badly.

 

[Stout]

Hey, Warner's just like Plummer, except he didn't complete the comeback from the deficit that happened because of his own stupid misakes.

 

[ARZCardinals]

another worthless stat that will be used to boost his supporters...

How about Warner has 6 TURNOVERS!!! That's a stat

 

[TJ]

And Leinart was ridiculed for having 3 picks in one half in the preseason. The morale of the story is that it can happen to anyone, including the best of them.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And Leinart was ridiculed for having 3 picks in one half in the preseason. The morale of the story is that it can happen to anyone, including the best of them.

It was 5 and almost 6 turnovers at half time. In fact, those 3 turnovers got Matt benched in favor of KW. If 3 turnovers in a preseason game gets you benched, then 5 turnovers in a game that counts should get you cut......

 

[moklerman]

It was 5 and almost 6 turnovers at half time. In fact, those 3 turnovers got Matt benched in favor of KW. If 3 turnovers in a preseason game gets you benched, then 5 turnovers in a game that counts should get you cut......

If Leinart was the leading passer in the NFC in rating and TD's going into the Raiders game, he may not have earned his benching. There's no defending Warner's day but Manning, Romo, Favre, etc. all had 5+ turnover games last year. If Warner does it again vs. Buffalo, then he deserves to sit down.

 

[Zeno]

If Leinart was the leading passer in the NFC in rating and TD's going into the Raiders game, he may not have earned his benching. There's no defending Warner's day but Manning, Romo, Favre, etc. all had 5+ turnover games last year. If Warner does it again vs. Buffalo, then he deserves to sit down.

When Manning does it its an aberration, when Favre does it its because he isn't as good as he used to be and is getting old, if Romo does it its the playoffs. Warner has games like these more often than he should and we can't expect them to go away--at his age he is not going to get better.

 

[Mitch]

6 turnovers. We knew a game like this was coming and there will be more without a doubt. It is why Warner wont lead a team to the playoffs anymore and why the coaching staff wanted Matt to win the job so badly.

It's amazing to me that with one bad game, you want to throw Warner under the bus. The fact is the Cardinals are 7-5 in his last 12 starts...and should be 8-4 if Rackers makes a chip shot FG.

Plus, his QB rating was 1st in the NFC heading into this game, and still will likely remain there...

And his rating was #6 last year.

Get this guy a defense that won't fold like a house of cards...and can actualy get the ball back for him on occasion and not only is he playoff worthy, he's Championship worthy.

Yes, he turns the ball over at times. But, he puts points on the scorebaord like few QBs can. You can't have everything.

 

[TheCardFan]

When Manning does it its an aberration, when Favre does it its because he isn't as good as he used to be and is getting old, if Romo does it its the playoffs. Warner has games like these more often than he should and we can't expect them to go away--at his age he is not going to get better.

Agreed but Warner is in the same conversation as Manning and Favre...a Super Bowl winner and MVP.

Does anyone want 6 turnovers? Nope

The truth is Leinart would have had at least 3 and would not have come close to the 2nd half Kurt had.

You all can pick your sides but Warne is by far the better QB.

Warner gives us the best chance (this year and last year) to make the playoffs.

 

[Mitch]

Another thing...Warner had about as bad a half as any QB ever...and how did he respond? The fact that some of you cannot and will not recognize character and resolve and true guts, is beyond me.

Warner made this a game again...as far-fetched and impossible as that seemed at halftime.

His effort in the second half should not be trivialized.

It is one of greatest second half performances Cardinal fans have ever seen. How often have week seen 5 consecutive TD drives?

If the defense hadn't have been pinching loafs all over the field, Warner may have pulled off the impossible. Even Whiz said so in his presser this morning, that he would have been very interested what would have happened if the defense didn't falter.

 

[moklerman]

when Favre does it its because he isn't as good as he used to be and is getting old,

I'm not arguing that Warner didn't unravel yesterday but you're really arguing Favre is getting "old"? If yesterday is what it means to be old, would someone please make a call to George Blanda?

It's the same old story with Warner though. He still doesn't reel it in when things are going bad and he's the one that's going to be the most exposed. Warner was very wrong to not protect the ball. But if we all know that the paramount risk in playing Warner is getting into third and long or predictable passing situations and that the running game isn't getting yardage on 1st and 2nd downs and that the o-line isn't going to be able to handle pass protecting for very long, why would the offense be designed to likely do just that?

I'm sure a big component of this design is to try and protect the defense but they haven't shown an ability to play well in any situation. They aren't getting a pass rush when they are fresh or late in the games. The never cover well. They have no depth. Etc. It should be painfully obvious right now that the Cardinals are going to have to score as many points as possible and get more diverse on offense to protect Warner from himself.

When/if there is a lead, go ahead and throw James in there to chew up some clock and go predictable. Until then, the Cardinals aren't dominant in any facet of the game so they are going to have to out-guess the opposition a little.

 

[Cheesebeef]

in 11 of his last 27 appearances (starts and fill in-game duty), Warner has had 3 or more fumbles/interceptions. That's horrific.

You want to say that Manning had one of these games and Romo had one of these games... great. They don't make such a horrid habit of it though like Kurt does. Manning has had 3 games where he's had 3 or more fumbles/ints in his last 48 games. Romo's had 5 in his last 31. Favre ain't even in the discussion any more because his best days, like Warner's are behind him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I
Get this guy a defense that won't fold like a house of cards...and can actualy get the ball back for him on occasion and not only is he playoff worthy, he's Championship worthy.

Yes, he turns the ball over at times.

he turns the ball over at a rate that is worse than any starting QB in football. That ain't championship worthy. "Turns the ball over at times..." oye ve!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Agreed but Warner is in the same conversation as Manning and Favre...a Super Bowl winner and MVP.

Does anyone want 6 turnovers? Nope

The truth is Leinart would have had at least 3 and would not have come close to the 2nd half Kurt had.

You all can pick your sides but Warne is by far the better QB.

Warner gives us the best chance (this year and last year) to make the playoffs.

i don't think Warner should be benched but his leash with Whiz is probably now amost as short as it is with Brenda. That being said, i ahte it when people say so and so,in this Leinart, would or wouldn't have done that. How in the hell does anyone know what Leinart would've done. You don't so stop using that as an argument. It's like when people say Suggs or AP wouldn't be productive in the Cards scheme. That's a bunch of BS. Good/great players are so in any scheme.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agreed but Warner is in the same conversation as Manning and Favre...a Super Bowl winner and MVP.

this happened almost a decade ago. when will people actually start living in the present?

Does anyone want 6 turnovers? Nope

The truth is Leinart would have had at least 3 and would not have come close to the 2nd half Kurt had.

You all can pick your sides but Warne is by far the better QB.

Warner gives us the best chance (this year and last year) to make the playoffs.

and that shot is only because our division stinks. Great Warner's out best shot at 9-7 where we can proceed to get drilled in the first round and he's the best shot to continue to have us be 9-7. I know we're Cardinals fans and we should probably take whatever we can get wins-wise, but man, that's such defeatist thinking. We should want MORE than just getting into the playoffs this year to get killed while still having no future. We know what the future holds with Kurt. We know it FOR SURE. We've seen 7 years of it. We don't know for sure what we have in Matt.

 

[moklerman]

Favre ain't even in the discussion any more because his best days, like Warner's are behind him.

Cheese, I really don't know what you expect from a QB. Favre just had one of his best statistical years in 07, went to the pro-bowl, NFC Championship and is currently the highest rated QB in the NFL on a new team, new system, little training camp and in a new conference.

 

[TheCardFan]

this happened almost a decade ago. when will people actually start living in the present?

We don't know for sure what we have in Matt.

Here we go.

Matt has had plenty of time to "show us".

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese, I really don't know what you expect from a QB. Favre just had one of his best statistical years in 07, went to the pro-bowl, NFC Championship and is currently the highest rated QB in the NFL on a new team, new system, little training camp and in a new conference.

last year was an abberation and the only reason he's the highest anything right now is because he played our pathetic swiss cheese defense. But you know what, even that being said, in Favre's last 27 games, he didn't come close to the galling 11 games where he put the rock on the ground or in the other team's hands 3 or more time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here we go.

Matt has had plenty of time to "show us".

16 games with two different HCs ain't plenty of time. Just ask the Giants or Redskins.

 

[TheCardFan]

Why do we constantly argue over our own players?

Jeez!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why do we constantly argue over our own players?

Jeez!

because most of the time, they all suck! I wish we could have an argument about who's better instead of who's worse.

 

[TheCardFan]

because most of the time, they all suck! I wish we could have an argument about who's better instead of who's worse.

Finally...we agree!