Warner

[slanidrac16]

I didn't know what else to title this thread.


Warner is done. I will no longer support a QB that is about 50 % efficient at doing something good and then something bad. He is immobile to such a point that if he has the ball after 3 mississippi something bad is going to happen. He throws into coverage and missed so many check downs today that it made me sick. Not every play needs to be a 20 yard gain. Positive yards are a must and a few passes to the flat today would have slowed down the Bucs attack to some degree. Some will say the 2 picks today were not his fault. He is lucky that he didn't have 5 picks.
There will be some that say Warner gives us the best shot at winning. Guess what? Rattay would not have done any worse today. At least Rattay can move and put some pressure on the defense to defend that. Anybody that plays us and has half a brain knows that all they have to do is pressure Warner and make him move in any direction but forward. If we had Garcia we would have won today.
Warner is a mere shell of what he was. I do not question his competitiveness or desire to win, but in todays world thats not enough.

We were all lulled into believing Warner could carry this team. Alas, he is the same Warner that made us clamour for Leinart last year. The QB position is now something we need to address going into next year. If Warner is on this team and anymore thatn the 3rd string relegated to spot duty it will be a huge mistake.

We will continue to watch Warner play as long as he can stand up. But the way this team looked today we are on pace for a 6-10 season. Do you really think this team can compete with the Lions, Seahawks, Saints, Browns, or even the Bengals?

You can't win with the type of team we have with sub-par qb play. When you weigh it all out , that is all Warner gives us.

JMHO.

 

[Jttsaz]

What is Warner's W/L record as a starter in Arizona? I know it can't be good. That said, would you rather go with Rattay?

 

[Cheesebeef]

What is Warner's W/L record as a starter in Arizona? I know it can't be good. That said, would you rather go with Rattay?

to be honest, I don't think it matters. Both guys are below average QBs.

 

[PACardsFan]

What is Warner's W/L record as a starter in Arizona? I know it can't be good. That said, would you rather go with Rattay?

I wanted to start a thread as it pertained to Warner, but I just couldn't muster the energy. Personally, I really like the guy. But, the guy just can't WIN anymore. I don't care just how mediocre Rattay appears to be. Rattay needs to be the guy right now. I'm all for bringing in Warner to run the hurry-up, but he shouldn't start another game. END OF STORY!!

 

[PACardsFan]

to be honest, I don't think it matters. Both guys are below average QBs.

I disagree. It does matter. When was the last time Warner won a game that he started?? It's been a long, long time. Rattay may very well be average, but it's all about W's & Warner can't get one.

 

[slanidrac16]

to be honest, I don't think it matters. Both guys are below average QBs.

You are probably right, Cheese. But we've seen enough of Warner and we should all know what he brings. I seen Rattay throw for over 400 yards against us ,hurting us with his arm and his legs. Call me crazy, but I just don't want to watch this same show week in and week out.

 

[Lorenzo]

Go Easy. he got me 1 point in fantasy this week.

 

[moklerman]

When's the last time the Card's had less than 10 penalties in a game?
When's the last time they dropped less than 3 passes?
When's the last time they had a running game?

This team is so pathetic right now I don't see how anyone can focus on any one area. As optimistic as I was about Whisenhunt's abilities as a head coach, all he's actually done is absolutely nothing. These are the same old Card's. And that's the worst thing you could possibly say about a team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

When's the last time the Card's had less than 10 penalties in a game?
When's the last time they dropped less than 3 passes?
When's the last time they had a running game?

This team is so pathetic right now I don't see how anyone can focus on any one area. As optimistic as I was about Whisenhunt's abilities as a head coach, all he's actually done is absolutely nothing. These are the same old Card's. And that's the worst thing you could possibly say about a team.

when was the last time Warner had more TDs than turnovers as a starter?

Everything on this offense sucks - penalities, running game, QB play, WRs diving/stepping out of bounds for no reason... etc, etc.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do you really think this team can compete with the Lions, Seahawks, Saints, Browns, or even the Bengals?


JMHO.

how sad is it that all of these teams were perennial cellar dwellers with us, and now i read this statement and think "unequivocably, no"???

 

[moklerman]

when was the last time Warner had more TDs than turnovers as a starter?

3 starts ago vs. San Diego.

 

[slanidrac16]

3 starts ago vs. San Diego.

???

 

[Cheesebeef]

3 starts ago vs. San Diego.

ah yes, my bad. One of his last 7! That's mighty impressive!

 

[dogpoo32]

When's the last time the Card's had less than 10 penalties in a game?
When's the last time they dropped less than 3 passes?
When's the last time they had a running game?

This team is so pathetic right now I don't see how anyone can focus on any one area. As optimistic as I was about Whisenhunt's abilities as a head coach, all he's actually done is absolutely nothing. These are the same old Card's. And that's the worst thing you could possibly say about a team.

When's the last time Kurt won a game as a starter? First game of LAST season? (Cannot recall if he started against the 49ers late last year) Face it, your boy is a loser. He cannot win in this league anymore. Sure, he helped win the games this season, but as a starter he is a below average quarterback. Josh McCown was a better QB for us.

 

[dogpoo32]

When's the last time the Card's had less than 10 penalties in a game?
When's the last time they dropped less than 3 passes?
When's the last time they had a running game?

This team is so pathetic right now I don't see how anyone can focus on any one area. As optimistic as I was about Whisenhunt's abilities as a head coach, all he's actually done is absolutely nothing. These are the same old Card's. And that's the worst thing you could possibly say about a team.

It would be easier to run if the QB wasn't throwing picks/fumbling. Going into today, we had a pretty decent running game.

 

[moklerman]

ah yes, my bad. One of his last 7! That's mighty impressive!

I think you're deliberately trying to paint Warner in a bad light. He had good games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh but they weren't technically starts. I'm not trying to say he had a good game this week but he's never played well against Tampa Bay.

The fact that Washington and Tampa Bay were getting pressure and stopping the run with 3 and 4 man defensive fronts is a much more telling indicator of why he's struggled the last couple of weeks in my opinion. There is absolutely no threat of a running game from Arizona right now so it's not a big surprise that Warner's struggling to throw into 8 man defensive backfields. Add in all the drops by Boldin, Fitz, Edge and Urban I don't think it's fair to lay all the blame on Warner's shoulders.

The torn ligaments should get him a little slack, too. No, let's just blame Warner and say he's washed up. I don't think we'll see a good team around him any time soon a la Favre to see if it's him or the supporting cast/coaching.

 

[moklerman]

It would be easier to run if the QB wasn't throwing picks/fumbling. Going into today, we had a pretty decent running game.

Going into today, Warner was the 3rd rated qb in the NFC and 8th in the league. James racked up a whopping 15 yards today. Did he forget how to run or is the offense predictable and the line overrated?

 

[slanidrac16]

I think you're deliberately trying to paint Warner in a bad light. He had good games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh but they weren't technically starts. I'm not trying to say he had a good game this week but he's never played well against Tampa Bay.

The fact that Washington and Tampa Bay were getting pressure and stopping the run with 3 and 4 man defensive fronts is a much more telling indicator of why he's struggled the last couple of weeks in my opinion. There is absolutely no threat of a running game from Arizona right now so it's not a big surprise that Warner's struggling to throw into 8 man defensive backfields. Add in all the drops by Boldin, Fitz, Edge and Urban I don't think it's fair to lay all the blame on Warner's shoulders.

The torn ligaments should get him a little slack, too. No, let's just blame Warner and say he's washed up. I don't think we'll see a good team around him any time soon a la Favre to see if it's him or the supporting cast/coaching.

His good game against the Ravens was partly because we caught the Ravens by surprise and the had an 18 pt lead thus the dreaded prevent defense.
He has turned into a turnover machine. It's not about cutting him slack or placing blame.
The stats don't lie. He is what he is, and the fact is he is no longer what he use to be.
One more thing. If torn ligamnets are affecting his game ,THEN HE NEEDS TO SIT DOWN.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Warner got me two points today in fantasy football, thanks Kurt?

 

[moklerman]

The stats don't lie. He is what he is, and the fact is he is no longer what he use to be.

You can never tell the whole story by looking at the statline. I haven't had the opportunity to see Warner play for a team that wasn't absolutely crappy for a long time so it's hard for me to say how much is on him and how much is on his teammates. I can't argue with the bad plays but a LOT of those bad plays were caused by horrendous o-line's and a bad supporting cast. Not always but there is a possibility that he might be a little out of rhythm on the rare occasions when his teammates aren't getting called for penalties or fumbling or dropping passes, etc.

I understand everyone's disgust with Warner but look at Jeff Garcia. He was AWFUL in Cleveland and Detroit. Injury and mistake prone and labeled as washed up/overrated/never-was. Environment is a huge factor when looking at a qb.

 

[moklerman]

His good game against the Ravens was partly because we caught the Ravens by surprise and the had an 18 pt lead thus the dreaded prevent defense.

So, when he plays lights out, it was luck and when he plays poorly it's all his fault? That's a tough nut to crack.

 

[dogpoo32]

Going into today, Warner was the 3rd rated qb in the NFC and 8th in the league. James racked up a whopping 15 yards today. Did he forget how to run or is the offense predictable and the line overrated?

As a backup, he was great. How has he faired as a starter? Answer please. I'm dying to relive losses.

 

[dogpoo32]

You can never tell the whole story by looking at the statline.

You can by looking at the record. He is DONE. Find a new hero.

 

[Assface]

So, when he plays lights out, it was luck and when he plays poorly it's all his fault? That's a tough nut to crack.

I think he's the best backup in the league. He's not a full time starter anymore, though.

 

[artp]

I made this comment in another post. The Cardinals cannot win with K Warner. He puts up soem good stats but he cannot help but turn the ball over. His W-L record is horrible. I would rather play Rattay. And, the fact that QB M Leinart was put on IR when it may not have been necessary has ruined this season.
Didn't HC D Green go 4-4 at the end of last season? How have the Cardinals not regressed?