Warner...

[D-Dogg]

What's most perplexing is how out of sorts mentally Warner is, particularly in situations at the end of the halfs. He's also painfully slow in setting up the offense, which causes, IMO, some of the anxiousness and the mistakes that come as a result of it.

Mitch, I know you hate Denny and it is no secret there, but what is your take on the debacle at the end of the first half? I put that squarely on Warner because he looked SO shell shocked laying on the ground not knowing what to do that Denny had to know that there was no way they'd get a spike off in time, so he sent in the FG unit.

I can't recall seeing a QB in a "spike the ball" situation so completely slow to act and lackadasical...not only laying there for a bit but once he got up he still didn't act with any urgency...he glanced around for the ref and then he took his time getting the ball to him.

I know you would usually lean towards blaming Denny here, but I think he saw that Kurt was in mental trouble and tried to rush out the FG unit.

 

[Shane]

Mitch, I know you hate Denny and it is no secret there, but what is your take on the debacle at the end of the first half? I put that squarely on Warner because he looked SO shell shocked laying on the ground not knowing what to do that Denny had to know that there was no way they'd get a spike off in time, so he sent in the FG unit.

I can't recall seeing a QB in a "spike the ball" situation so completely slow to act and lackadasical...not only laying there for a bit but once he got up he still didn't act with any urgency...he glanced around for the ref and then he took his time getting the ball to him.

I know you would usually lean towards blaming Denny here, but I think he saw that Kurt was in mental trouble and tried to rush out the FG unit.

Sorry D that was all Green. If tey had time to run an entirely different special teams unit in from the sidelines and set up in proper formation and attempt a kick. The they had time to spike the ball no matter how slow Warner was moving. Green ordered that. Those guys were almost instantly out on the field running to get into position.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sorry D that was all Green. If tey had time to run an entirely different special teams unit in from the sidelines and set up in proper formation and attempt a kick. The they had time to spike the ball no matter how slow Warner was moving. Green ordered that. Those guys were almost instantly out on the field running to get into position.

I disagree....and to be upfront, I put all of the 4th quarter time management screwups on Denny's shoulders. I don't put the half debacle on him though.

If your QB doesn't know WTF is going on, then you can't get a spike off. From my view, Denny saw that the offense was up its own ass right there and sent in the FG unit...and it wasn't done right away...a few seconds (maybe five or more) ticked off before he sent the FG unit out there when he realized the offense was in no position to get a spike. He made a quick decison to get the guys out there right away and try the FG rather than wait to see if Warner realized he was on the field or not. Watch it again...you will see a QB not understanding the situation one damn bit. He laid down, thought about Brenda for a bit, got up, found the ref and cradled the ball to him. At no point at all did he look like a guy ready to go stop the clock and get a FG...he was out of it entirely.

Green ordered that because he thought there was a better shot at getting a FG off with time ticking than the chance of Warner shaking off the cobwebs and getting the line together in time to get a spike. He alluded to as much in his press conference. Was it the right decision? Maybe not...but at least he made a move which Warner did not, in a time in which WARNER was the guy to lead the decision. You can't do much else from the sideline when your on field general is wondering what is for dinner.

Denny screwed up multiple times in this game, but that one was on the QB. And I'm not blaming Warner for a lot in this game...but that one was on him completely. I'm actually very unimpressed with Warner's tight game decisions...when the game is on the line and action is needed, he consistently comes up short IMO...this year and last. And again, I'm a pretty good fan of Kurt's...but he severely lacks his brain in clutch situations such as that half with the time running out in long FG range.

 

[Shane]

I disagree....and to be upfront, I put all of the 4th quarter time management screwups on Denny's shoulders. I don't put the half debacle on him though.

If your QB doesn't know WTF is going on, then you can't get a spike off. From my view, Denny saw that the offense was up its own ass right there and sent in the FG unit...and it wasn't done right away...a few seconds (maybe five or more) ticked off before he sent the FG unit out there when he realized the offense was in no position to get a spike. He made a quick decison to get the guys out there right away and try the FG rather than wait to see if Warner realized he was on the field or not. Watch it again...you will see a QB not understanding the situation one damn bit. He laid down, thought about Brenda for a bit, got up, found the ref and cradled the ball to him. At no point at all did he look like a guy ready to go stop the clock and get a FG...he was out of it entirely.

Green ordered that because he thought there was a better shot at getting a FG off with time ticking than the chance of Warner shaking off the cobwebs and getting the line together in time to get a spike. He alluded to as much in his press conference. Was it the right decision? Maybe not...but at least he made a move which Warner did not, in a time in which WARNER was the guy to lead the decision. You can't do much else from the sideline when your on field general is wondering what is for dinner.

Denny screwed up multiple times in this game, but that one was on the QB. And I'm not blaming Warner for a lot in this game...but that one was on him completely. I'm actually very unimpressed with Warner's tight game decisions...when the game is on the line and action is needed, he consistently comes up short IMO...this year and last. And again, I'm a pretty good fan of Kurt's...but he severely lacks his brain in clutch situations such as that half with the time running out in long FG range.

Were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Because all I saw (afterwatching it again) was Warner getting up a little slow and then they flashed to the sideline and showed the ST running in within about 2 seconds. There ws more than ample time for Kurt and that O to get in positioon to make a spike. regardless of these cobwebs you talk about. Denny should have never sent the Kicking team on the field.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Because all I saw (afterwatching it again) was Warner getting up a little slow and then they flashed to the sideline and showed the ST running in within about 2 seconds. There ws more than ample time for Kurt and that O to get in positioon to make a spike. regardless of these cobwebs you talk about. Denny should have never sent the Kicking team on the field.

I couldn't agree more!

 

[DKCards]

Certainly the o-line was a sieve, but six fumbles in two games is pathetic. And don't think we're going to keep getting lucky and recovering all of them too. This team is simply not good enough to turn the ball over a bunch in a game and escape with a W so the fumbling has got to stop or those calling for Leinart will be correct in doing so.

If the O-line was blocking someone instead of standing around looking to recover fumbles there might not be so many. Don’t you think it is a little odd that we have recovered so many of those fumbles? It tells me that they are not tied up with someone but are free to look for the ball.

 

[Russ Smith]

If the O-line was blocking someone instead of standing around looking to recover fumbles there might not be so many. Don’t you think it is a little odd that we have recovered so many of those fumbles? It tells me that they are not tied up with someone but are free to look for the ball.

Maybe we practice that along with running the FG team out there because we fumble so often?

 

[JC_AZ]

Just think what we could accomplish if we practiced the no-huddle offense... we might have been able to make a real effort in the 4th Qtr.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The Cardinals should break huddle with 2 QB's behind the lOS..... take that Rams defense!!!!

Cue Boldin!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't get all the bitching about the FG.He clearly got the kick off with time to spare.He just missed it. If you watch, Rackers even went through his little pre-kick routine. It was just at an acclerated rate. It's not like he ran out and missed a 25 yard FG because the hold or snap wasn't ready. It was a FIFTY- FOUR yard attempt. He just missed a 51 yarder with all the time in the world to set up. He probably misses a good % of 50+ yard kicks in warm-ups. You guys act like it was a gimme 3 points .

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't get all the bitching about the FG.He clearly got the kick off with time to spare.He just missed it. If you watch, Rackers even went through his little pre-kick routine. It was just at an acclerated rate. It's not like he ran out and missed a 25 yard FG because the hold or snap wasn't ready. It was a FIFTY- FOUR yard attempt. He just missed a 51 yarder with all the time in the world to set up. He probably misses a good % of 50+ yard kicks in warm-ups. You guys act like it was a gimme 3 points .

it's the opposite, what's more likely, spike the ball and Rackers walks out there and gets to kick without rushing, or rush everyone out there and line up and kick it? Sure he still got it off clean but on a kick of that distance if I were a kicker I'd want plenty of time.

Might not have made the difference i think the main issue is it just seems to show a lack of preparation on someone, be it Warner, Green, someone.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

To me, it's like a last second shot in b-ball. Do you call timeout and set up a play or let your guys run down and get a shot off at the buzzer. Either way it's 50-50. I think he had just as much a shot of hitting the FG the way it happened as to if the ball was spiked. Look at the end of games. The defense calls time out to ice the kicker and give him more time to think about it and he gets the chance to go through his entire routine,probably twice. Plus, the kicker knows the situation and has run onto the field and been hurried before. I guess, to me, whether the ball got spiked,or not, was a non-issue.

 

[clif]

I don't get all the bitching about the FG.He clearly got the kick off with time to spare.He just missed it. If you watch, Rackers even went through his little pre-kick routine. It was just at an acclerated rate. It's not like he ran out and missed a 25 yard FG because the hold or snap wasn't ready. It was a FIFTY- FOUR yard attempt. He just missed a 51 yarder with all the time in the world to set up. He probably misses a good % of 50+ yard kicks in warm-ups. You guys act like it was a gimme 3 points .

Man it's a lost cause. Some here are just born to complain. Haven't you noticed some posters who haven't posted the entire offseason even through week 1's win came around this week to bash the coaching?

Next week they won't be seen when the Cards light up the Rams.

 

[MadCardDisease]

To me, it's like a last second shot in b-ball. Do you call timeout and set up a play or let your guys run down and get a shot off at the buzzer. Either way it's 50-50. I think he had just as much a shot of hitting the FG the way it happened as to if the ball was spiked. Look at the end of games. The defense calls time out to ice the kicker and give him more time to think about it and he gets the chance to go through his entire routine,probably twice. Plus, the kicker knows the situation and has run onto the field and been hurried before. I guess, to me, whether the ball got spiked,or not, was a non-issue.

I thought it was fairly obvious that Rackers was hurried. It clearly showed when he made the kick. I disagree with your basketball analogy. If anything a field goal should be compared to a Free Throw. You go through your routine and make the shot. The minute you get out of your routine your toast.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Man it's a lost cause. Some here are just born to complain. Haven't you noticed some posters who haven't posted the entire offseason even through week 1's win came around this week to bash the coaching?

Next week they won't be seen when the Cards light up the Rams.

The game was poorly coached! There is no hiding that. Which posters were you refering to?

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought it was fairly obvious that Rackers was hurried. It clearly showed when he made the kick. I disagree with your basketball analogy. If anything a field goal should be compared to a Free Throw. You go through your routine and make the shot. The minute you get out of your routine your toast.

The other thing with the basketball analogy is there are a LOT of coaches who fully believe in NOT calling the timeout because calling it gives the defense time to setup and inbounding the ball is one of the hardest things to do in basketball under certain circumstances. Many good NBA and college coaches won't call the timeout for that reason.

Whereas in the NFL I think most coaches given 20 seconds on 2nd down would spike the ball. But if Warner was really that woozy it may be a moot point.

 

[MadCardDisease]

But if Warner was really that woozy it may be a moot point.

If he knew what sideline to head for I'm sure he could spike a ball.

 

[CronosCard]

"..And in this corner.."

are you guys for real? how do you expect Warner to do more with "Leonard swinging doorLT?" This game proves to me that LD needs to moved inside to Guard, and those of you - especially you longtime posters surely you see that.. Warner was moving like crazy around a failing pocket,

 

[Redsz]

Did you even watch the game? The pressure was coming from the right side which is where Wells was lined up. Not BIG.

 

[moklerman]

There was too much pressure coming from the interior of the line. Seattle was able to get pressure with any type of front that they wanted. When they blitzed, it was just lights out for the Cardinals. Except that pass to BJ. That was pretty nice. It wasn't the spark plug that I'd hoped it would be but a rare nice play from last week.

 

[D-Dogg]

The last three posts are all correct. Pressure was coming from the left, the right and the interior. It was swarming pressure. On any given play, somebody on the line messed up.