Warner's play

[Savage58]

I think we should sign Warner and trade Boldin. I love Boldin and think he's the heart and soul of the team but Fitz's contract just doesn't allow us to spend 9 or 10 million on another receiver, especially with the play of Breaston. We have Ducet as a solid 3rd and lets not forget about Lance Long on the PS. If we can pick up a first rounder in the trade for Boldin somewhere in the 10-13 spot (plus at least a 3rd) we can draft James Laurinaitis or Rey Maualuga and let Dansby walk. I just can't see us paying big $$ to a guy that can't make the pro bowl. By letting Dansby walk we can sign T. Suggs and let the heads start to roll =) With our original 1st pick we can draft a RB or Safety.

lol stop it, you're making to much sense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He is legitimately in the MVP discussion at this point. If we go on a run of a few games, finish with 10 or 11 wins, and Warner's numbers stay like this, and we win a game or two in the playoffs, I can't see us not extending him. It would be a PR and organizational nightmare if we didn't. Shades of the '98 selloff.

I don't see it for MVP, mostly because we're basically a .500 club and even though his yardage numbers are eye-popping, he's already got 10 turnovers on the season but that being said, he's having a very good season, but not MVP like. Portis, on pace for 1800 yards on a 6-2 is in the MVP discussion, or Bree... jeez, looking at everything, I guess if Kurt keeps this pace up and we do end up winning 10-11 games (probably needs 11) he might just have a shot after all.

 

[nashman]

Well with the start TH chanting going on I don't think we have to worry about Warner even making it the full season.

 

[Evil Ash]

We're pretty much in the exact same position as the Packers were during this past offseason. Warner is not getting any younger and they have a young QB waiting in the wings with Leinart. Warner is having one helluva year but we have to see what we have with Leinart at some point

It all depends if Warner is willing to come back here in a backup role or compete for the starting job again. If that happens he's back here for the remainder of his career. If he wants the starting job handed to him then he either goes to another team or simply retires.

 

[moklerman]

We're pretty much in the exact same position as the Packers were during this past offseason. Warner is not getting any younger and they have a young QB waiting in the wings with Leinart. Warner is having one helluva year but we have to see what we have with Leinart at some point

I thought of this too but there's one major difference. Favre retired. I don't think Green Bay would have necessarily went with Rodgers had Favre remained committed to the team throughout the offseason.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Warner is about ME, RIGHT NOW! He will, WILL, fall apart. it's his mo. Give him a bit more $ than he's making now, but, not at the expense of NEEDED others.
I agree with the dansby signing, i told my wife i wnted a Dansby t-shirt (w/name and number of course). Sign Q, get Breaston in the mix and make him happy, our TE's are a problem, ANY coach would love to have. KEEP ARRINGTON!
In, more than a FEW words, Kurt is a good part of this team, but not all that. He won't be starting next year, unless Whiz just can't bite the bullet on Lienhart.
Read my other post. Tel me if i'm off. NOT wrong, in your esteemed opinions, but off. I happen to think i'm close to , dead on!

i'm really not trying to be an arse here, but how in the hell do you decide when and where to use a comma? that's one of the most difficult reads ever.

 

[Evil Ash]

I thought of this too but there's one major difference. Favre retired. I don't think Green Bay would have necessarily went with Rodgers had Favre remained committed to the team throughout the offseason.

In the Packers case that is true. Favre was given free reign in Green Bay where he was looked at as an almost demi-god.

However that doesn't really change our situation (Warner isn't looked quite in that capacity here).

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't see it for MVP, mostly because we're basically a .500 club and even though his yardage numbers are eye-popping, he's already got 10 turnovers on the season but that being said, he's having a very good season, but not MVP like. Portis, on pace for 1800 yards on a 6-2 is in the MVP discussion, or Bree... jeez, looking at everything, I guess if Kurt keeps this pace up and we do end up winning 10-11 games (probably needs 11) he might just have a shot after all.

LOL, that is pretty much EXACTLY how I reacted. "No way...there's Portis, and then Bre..whoah. Holy crap Kurt."

 

[D-Dogg]

I thought of this too but there's one major difference. Favre retired. I don't think Green Bay would have necessarily went with Rodgers had Favre remained committed to the team throughout the offseason.

Not to mention Favre practically retires every offseason.

 

[jefftheshark]

Here is an interesting article that is on point to this discussion:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/72268-is-kurt-warner-the-best-qb-in-the-nfl

If it was posted somewhere else, I apologize.

JTS

 

[Redsz]

2,089 yds, 14 TD's, 70.2 completion percentage and a 102.1 QB rating on the season. If he keeps this up there is no way you cannot resign him. He is a possible MVP if he takes the Cardinals to the playoffs.

 

[Skkorpion]

I would normally agree. But the QB position is different. When ever you get a guy who is performing at a high level at the QB position you have to ride it till it ends.

I would give Warner what he deserves on a 2-3 year deal and wouldn't look back.

WR's, LB's and RB's can be replaced. QB's cannot.

Release Edge and use that money to bump up Warner & Boldin.

Beerz, you state the truth bout the QB position, particularly on a team with great receivers. And the unspoken factor is we don't really know if Whisenhunt believes Matt Leinart is salvageable.

Coach's jobs in the NFL are heavily dependent on their selection of QB. Choose wrong and you are unemployed quickly.

This is not meant to reignite the QB arguments. My point is that Warner's contract negotiations will tell us right away how Whisenhunt truly views Leinart.

Big money for Warner, Leinart will be trade bait and we will draft a QB next year. Smaller money for Kurt, with drawn out negotiations until he resigns himself to the true market worth of an aging player, and Matt Leinart will be given another real shot here.

 

[ArizonaElvis]

No, I don't think Warner will ask for an insane amount of money for next year, but rather ask for 2 or 3 years on the deal

He's stated he wants to retire a Cardinal and wants to take this team places. Plus, he is an upstanding guy, not like some ghetto thug managed by Drew Rosenhaus

I agree but what alot of you have to understand is that Warner knows he's playing good football but also knows he wont get a long term deal anywhere else at his age. I think if he finishes the season the way he's started off, the Cards will/should sign him on for a 3yr/15,000,000 type of deal and I think Warner would go for that as long as there were some incentives involved regarding his play or making the pro-bowl/superbowl. Alot of people in this league know that he wouldn't put up near those numbers anywhere else without the talent that he has around him. Hell, I've never played QB in HS or Coll but could probably throw for 2 or 3,000 yards with Fitz & Q on the team..... GO BIG RED!!!

 

[red desert]

Here is an interesting article that is on point to this discussion:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/72268-is-kurt-warner-the-best-qb-in-the-nfl

If it was posted somewhere else, I apologize.

JTS

Thanks for posting, Jeff. Fun article to read.

For what it's worth, I agree.

 

[Spielman]

How do incentives work in terms of the salary cap? Why not sign him to a cap friendly salary and then stack the contract with incentives?

It's based on whether or not they're considered likely to be earned, which is based on past performance. That is, if you sign a guy to a 5 year contract that pays him a million dollar bonus every time he rushes for 1000 yards, whether the bonus money counts against the cap the first year is based on whether or not the player rushed for 1000 yards last year. For the second year of the contract, it's based on what he did in the first year, and so on. (If the bonus money was not likely to be earned and then is earned, the cap hit for the bonus gets pushed onto the next season... and if the same standards apply for that season, it gets hit with a double whammy, paying for both years at once. The other way around applies too... if a bonus is likely to be earned and isn't, then a cap credit gets applied to the next year. All sorts of monkeyshines go on based on this stuff.)

This means that if Warner has a monster year this year, in order to have potential bonus money not count against the 2009 cap the bonus thresholds would have to be so high as to be almost unreachable, and thus not very attractive to Warner and his agent.

 

[jstadvl]

Did you get the gist ouchie? I suppose, commas, in what you do (I say that admiralably)
are important. However, here where emotions, sometimes rule, punctuation, is escaped by the mere mortal football fan. Did you understand what my meaning, or were you just having fun, at poking fun, at me?
Let me break it down for you, so you son't need your paralegal, He isn't worth what he'll be asking. The Cards, and their fans, as usual, will want to pay him more than he is worth.
Now, don't worry about my grammar, young man, as time goes on, and life's diseases work their way through your bones, sometimes, you don't realize that your spelling or grammar is incorrect. BUT, thank goodness, there are people like you to help me.
Sarcasm, disrespect, rudeness,(among other more vulgar things), all come under the same banner. WAVE yours high

 

[RonF]

Did you get the gist ouchie? I suppose, commas, in what you do (I say that admiralably)
are important. However, here where emotions, sometimes rule, punctuation, is escaped by the mere mortal football fan. Did you understand what my meaning, or were you just having fun, at poking fun, at me?
Let me break it down for you, so you son't need your paralegal, He isn't worth what he'll be asking. The Cards, and their fans, as usual, will want to pay him more than he is worth.
Now, don't worry about my grammar, young man, as time goes on, and life's diseases work their way through your bones, sometimes, you don't realize that your spelling or grammar is incorrect. BUT, thank goodness, there are people like you to help me.
Sarcasm, disrespect, rudeness,(among other more vulgar things), all come under the same banner. WAVE yours high

In my case, I just use a comma when I take a breath.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

In my case, I just use a comma when I take a breath.

Are you implying JSTADVL is fat and only posts after running up a flight of stairs?

 

[stewdog1]

I he didn't have the receiving corps he's got, the o-line and coordinator he does, he wouldn't be at that high of a rating or completion percentage.

Same for every other QB out there. What's your point?

 

[moklerman]

The circular argument of a QB with/without great receivers aside, I wonder how Warner would do on other teams if he got his way with the offense as it seems he has here in Arizona?

After a year, it's very apparent that along with the changes Warner has made to his own game, Whis and Haley have heavily modified what their approach to an offense is.

I don't think it's so much that Warner couldn't do similar things with another team, just that he doesn't have the time to get familiar with the personnel and get all of them familiar with his style of offense and how he sees things. The symbiosis and intuitiveness that the offense has with each other takes a good 2 years from what I've been able to gather.

 

[BradMannTX]

Fact: Nobody in the NFL is going to pay Kurt Warner (a 38+ year old quarterback at the start of next season) more than the Arizona Cardinals. If 6 million is a lot (and we'd be willing to pay that) nobody else will. That's just nuts. We'd be stupid to pay it too.

Then again, I thought 5 mil a year was too much.

Nevermind.

 

[jstadvl]

Funny stuff you guys. All of you.

 

[jstadvl]

OK , Ouchie, your probably right about the punctuation ( alright, you are) but, who cares? Back to some points.
Ron-thanks.SoCal-No fat, but man, I get winded after a flight of stairs, AND, it is hard to post then. Especially with proper commas, and periods, exclamation points, and let's not forget the spelling.
Stew! That is my point. Why treat him any different? He's not doing anything spectacular. And, would'nt be close to where he is, if he was, say, on the raiders? Ya think?
Mokler, offer him the 3 year 15 mill. BUT(comma) with the incentives, both ways. He plays up-pay him, he plays down- don't.
It just seems to me, that alot of Kurt, this year, is about him (in his head), and the truth is, nothing coiuld be further from the truth..
That was my point.
I like him, Matt also, the cat from Pitt. also, but without every other weapon we have, they'd all look like Rusell.Put anyone in our system, they probably win! No, they DO!

 

[slanidrac16]

I was willing to trade Warner before the season started. I did not believe he would ever change. I really believed he was washed up, mistake prone and single minded.
I was wrong. He did modify his thinking a bit as did our coaching staff. With the nucleus this team now has I really believe Warner could play a couple more years.
I would sign him to a 3 year deal.

First year 6 mil plus incentives.
Second year a 2 mil roster bonus and 4 mil salary, plus incentives.
third year 5 mil roster bonus and 2 mil salary.
3 years 19 mil plus incentives.


If he continues to perform we will be happy to keep him on.

 

[vince56]

People are also forgetting about evolution and modern medicine. Athletes are playing longer every year in just about every sport now.

My money says he plays to 40 or 41, easily. He's playing great right now and I think he'll probably have a couple more years in him, at least one more good one for sure.