Warning - Refs Will Let Lakers Foul In Game 5

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Game 5 risks being a blowout as the Refs will allow the Lakers to get away with murder as it's "their turn". As a OKC Thunder and Suns fan, I feel I must warn you guys about game 5.

See, more and more I'm starting to believe that refs (the entire crew) do have SOME KIND OF agenda in any series. I noticed it first with the Suns/Spurs over the years and then with the Lakers and Thunder series.

I noticed a huge difference between what a foul is between one game to the next.

After game 4 when my Thunder blew out the Lakers I told my brother - "In game 5, IN LA, they won't call hardly any fouls on the Lakers. They'll go back to letting them play and then the Thunder are finished". Sure enough, that's exactly what I remember. I'll never forget, within the first few minutes of that game 5, Russel Westbrook drove hard to the basket. He was completely mauled by several Lakers, hit on the head and slammed to the ground. It was a no call - from then on out, from what I remember the Thunder got blown out and there were virtually no foul calls on obvious fouls all night. We just weren't supposed to win that game.

In OKC they were calling it closer and no longer seemed to let them play. Laker fans thought the refs were cheating. I thought the refs were doing a good job, but the truth is both of us were right. THE REFS ARE INCONSISTENT WHICH IS WHAT STARTS THESE RUMORS OF CONSPIRACY. Nobody understands how a game is going to be called from one to the next and that's simply not how it should ever be. Officiating should be consistent from one game to the next.

But in games 1 and 2, Artest could hold Durant off the ball ALL NIGHT LONG, with no call. On those nights it was "good defense", but in OKC a few days later - he started getting called for holding and grabbing off the ball. Artest was like, what!?? Can't blame him.


I'm not trying to say there's even a conspiracy. But I am saying that there seems to be some kind of odd back and forth between how the refs call games. Why do refs "let them play" one game, and then call it close the next? I can only guess that they do this in order to make the series more competitive.

I think Laker fans have a legit concern after watching game 4 again. I saw numerous times where the Suns did clearly cause contact and/or foul the Lakers, BUT THIS TIME the refs let a LOT of them go. But if the Lakers fouled, it was called. SOME of that is that the Suns are more athletic, but just wait till game 5..

What I'm trying to tell you is that in all probability, in game 5, this time the Ref pendulum swings to the Lakers. They'll get all the foul calls and more importantly they'll be able to foul without much being called.

I could be wrong, but this is the exact setup as game 5 with the Lakers and Thunder. Remember that horrid playoff game of Bruce Bowen fouling Steve Nash all night.. I hope it doesn't come out like that, but expect that it will.

May the Suns win, regardless!
 

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Durant is a finesse player. If he isn't protected by the officials his game suffers noticeably.

IMO the Suns can match the Lakers in toughness much better than OKC did. RoLo may be the toughest player on the court, Amare lives for contact often initiating it to get "and ones", Nash despite his size is extremely tough, JRich is a very physical player, Dudley, Dragic and Lou are all tough. If the refs swallow their whistles I think the Suns can hang.

Now if they only swallow their whistles for the Suns and not the Lakers....
 

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This is why you want to have home court advantage. Regular season IS important.

I don't expect Amare to get more than 12 fts so our jumpers must fall to have a chance to win.

Lakers know they'll get better treatment at home so they'll keep pounding inside any chance they get.
 
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Durant is a finesse player. If he isn't protected by the officials his game suffers noticeably.

IMO the Suns can match the Lakers in toughness much better than OKC did. RoLo may be the toughest player on the court, Amare lives for contact often initiating it to get "and ones", Nash despite his size is extremely tough, JRich is a very physical player, Dudley, Dragic and Lou are all tough. If the refs swallow their whistles I think the Suns can hang.

Now if they only swallow their whistles for the Suns and not the Lakers....

No, I disagree. The Thunder are a much more physical team than the Suns. The Suns have gone to zone to help them in this regard, as to where the Thunder just played the Lakers straight up.

Durant guarded Kobe and pwned him in game 3 a couple o' times. Selfalosha is better than any defender the Suns have. Westbrook is much bigger and more physical a defender at the 1 than Nash. The Suns are playing better but only at home and with the refs on their side. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the refs bail them.

But the last thing you said is what I fear will happen - this is what NBA refs do. They don't outright decide games, they just change their officiating from one game to the next.

This time it's the Lakers turn, so prepare for some amazing no calls!
 

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Here's the thing

Last Tuesday, we had 32 FT attempts. We connected on only 22 of them (68.8%). As mentioned, we are going to get LESS attempts, so it is important that we make the ones given to us. I suspect we'll probably have 20-22 attempts. If we make 18 of them, we have counterbalanced the situation.
 

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the lakers will no doubt get home cooking. fisher will be allowed to ride nash around the floor like nash is wearing a saddle. and whenever drives the lane and bounces off three defenders there won't be a foul call.

at the other end of the court breathing on kobe and pau will draw whistles.

that said, the team has to battle through it. it's why only the toughest teams can overcome not having home court advantage. the suns will have to stay aggressive attacking the basket, hoping to gain the old "aggressive play will draw the call" adage. they'll also, imo, have to come up with a new wrinkle in the defense b/c i don't think you can play zone three games against phil w/o phil finding a "fix." and we gotta keep bynum moving. his lateral quickness ain't there. expose it. if he's ineffective we have a real advantage b/c they lose their considerable size advantage.

oh, and finally, we gotta withstand the usual kobe barrage.

LET'S

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SUNS!
 

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I love how Nash has adjusted to Fisher being physical. He leans in, waits for contact, then uses it to get separation.

Fisher may play physical but he is no Bruce Bowen.


No point in complaining about the refs. Especially before the game even starts.

What ever happens the Suns have to play through it. This is one thing I love about this Suns team; they don't do a lot of complaining about calls. Bad calls and no calls are part of the game. Toughness, effort, and determination are needed to overcome.
This realization about the nature of "playoff basketball" is one advantage a veteran lead team like the Suns has over a young team like OKC.
 

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This is going to be the toughest game of the series... we will have to weather the storm and try to stay as close as possible.
 

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This is going to be the toughest game of the series... we will have to weather the storm and try to stay as close as possible.

Absolutely. To win this game at least 2 Suns players are going to have to have the games of their lives and the Suns are going to have to stay hot from the 3 point line.
 

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You cant have 2 favorite teams, especially if they play in the same conference.
 

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You won't find a bigger Westbrook fan than me but his problem in the Lakers series was not the refs favoring the Lakers, it was the Lakers putting Kobe on him. Kobe must have watched tape of how USC and Memphis guarded Westbrook his last year at UCLA, back off and dare him to make jumpshots. Kobe did that the whole time, back off and dare him to shoot.

the last 2 games he was 11-33 overall 3-10 from 3 point range. In the first 4 games he took 2 threes total, and made them both. In the last 2 games with Kobe daring him to shoot, he took 10 threes and made only 3. He still shot 15 FT's in those 2 losses he actually was slightly ahead in FTA's from the first 4 games, but the main difference was how Kobe guarded him compared to how Fisher and Farmar didn't guard him in the first 4 games.
 

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I love how Nash has adjusted to Fisher being physical. He leans in, waits for contact, then uses it to get separation.

Fisher may play physical but he is no Bruce Bowen.


No point in complaining about the refs. Especially before the game even starts.

What ever happens the Suns have to play through it. This is one thing I love about this Suns team; they don't do a lot of complaining about calls. Bad calls and no calls are part of the game. Toughness, effort, and determination are needed to overcome.
This realization about the nature of "playoff basketball" is one advantage a veteran lead team like the Suns has over a young team like OKC.

interestingly the only players on the team that really still complain about no-calls are nash and amare. residual impact of dantoni's self-inflicted inferiority complex.
 

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Life is much more pleasant without wild conspiracy theories bumping around in your head.

Just sayin' ...
 
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I was wrong, really. Refs didn't matter. Great game.. On to Phoenix.
 

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