Warriors + Cousins = the NBA HAS JUMPED THE SHARK

[AzStevenCal]

They'll try to play it off as a quote from Stripes, but in reality it's a bigoted statement. Francis is a feminine name. The thought is calling you a female name implies that you, "like all females", over react.

Just put them on ignore, it makes the forum a better place.

Wow. It was a great line by Warren Oates and I don't know who you hang with but it must be a real special group if that's how they use it. I've only used it in jest but I can't speak for anyone else and gender slamming had nothing to do with it. It's just about talking someone down that seems to be taking something a little too seriously.

 

[Russ Smith]

And it’s a REALLY common quote. Sorry if the humor was lost on you. Trust me, I’m not calling you “Frances” (which literally has no independent meaning other than being the name of a character in a really popular movie).

Stripes.

And Lee Harvey woah the stories you tell man.

 

[Russ Smith]

Huh? That's CLEARLY a Stripes reference! Ouchie and I (and almost anyone else I know) use it all the time with our friends and in no way is it supposed to imply female.

If anything, if it's supposed to imply PSYCHO because that's what Francis was in Stripes.

I thought Stripes was required watching material growing up.

 

[Russ Smith]

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2...iors-eradicating-his-usefulness-in-the-league

Exactly, it wasn't the Warriors trying to trade Klay, it was them trying to get Howard and the Lakers trying to take them to cleaners to make it happen.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought Stripes was required watching material growing up.

Right? That and caddyshack.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If I couldn't use quotes from Stripes, Airplane, Princess Bride and Caddyshack, I'd have very little to talk about.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If I couldn't use quotes from Stripes, Airplane, Princess Bride and Caddyshack, I'd have very little to talk about.

i wouldn't be able to talk at all to some people.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If I couldn't use quotes from Stripes, Airplane, Princess Bride and Caddyshack, I'd have very little to talk about.

I was born in the 80s and thus a lot of quotes from those movies will go right over my head. I have seen Caddyshack a few times though.

 

[BC867]

If I couldn't use quotes from Stripes, Airplane, Princess Bride and Caddyshack, I'd have very little to talk about.

Classic comedies! "There's a problem at the hospital." "What's that?" "It's a big building with residents and interns."
"We're closed!" "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

I'm trying to remember the best lines from Stripes and Caddyshack and don't want to fly to a Cubs game to ask Bill Murray.

 

[mojorizen7]

They'll try to play it off as a quote from Stripes, but in reality it's a bigoted statement. Francis is a feminine name. The thought is calling you a female name implies that you, "like all females", over react.

Just put them on ignore, it makes the forum a better place.

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

Exactly, it wasn't the Warriors trying to trade Klay, it was them trying to get Howard and the Lakers trying to take them to cleaners to make it happen.

Again not true. Dwight got paid significantly more than Igoudala so the ONLY way for the Warriors to get Dwight was to trade a packake including Klay and/or other valuable assets along with the crap they sent out in order to make salaries match. They were willing to do that for Dwight who was seen leaguewide as having significantly more value at that time than Klay.

Remember it was Dwight who didn't choose the Warriors (rumors of California's child support laws being stricter than Texas was a rumor about him nit choosing the Lakers or GS) so it's pretty delusional again to pretend this was Warriors 8 dimensional chess.

 

[SunsFanFirst]

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[Russ Smith]

Again not true. Dwight got paid significantly more than Igoudala so the ONLY way for the Warriors to get Dwight was to trade a packake including Klay and/or other valuable assets along with the crap they sent out in order to make salaries match. They were willing to do that for Dwight who was seen leaguewide as having significantly more value at that time than Klay.

Remember it was Dwight who didn't choose the Warriors (rumors of California's child support laws being stricter than Texas was a rumor about him nit choosing the Lakers or GS) so it's pretty delusional again to pretend this was Warriors 8 dimensional chess.

it IS true, Lacob was trying to sign Howard as a Free agent but they had to dump salaries to do it and they couldn't get enough takers to make it happen. They were NOT actively trying to trade Klay for Howard, they were trying to sign Howard. The Lakers were trying to get the Warriors to take that deal so they could get Thompson and Barnes, that was the lakers proposal not the Warriors.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7...d-rumors-lakers-klay-thompson-harrison-barnes

"The situation is entirely fluid at this point, but if Dwight Howard elects to sign with the Warriors and if the Warriors are unable to clear $20 million in cap space by trading away veterans on expiring deals, they'd need the Lakers to facilitate a sign-and-trade.

That's where L.A.'s latest demands come into play. The Lakers want Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes in any such deal, according to Mike Bresnahan of the L.A. Times:"

That's where the entire thing came from they needed to dump enough salary to get howard and they couldn't find enough teams because nobody wanted Bogut who was injured, and injury prone. The lakers offered to help by taking on salaries but with the kicker they wanted Thompson and Barnes. The Warriors were NOT trying to trade Klay, they were trying to sign Howard. Because of that demand and nobody wanting Bogut, they weren't able to sign Howard and instead they made the Iggy deal. They'd been negotiating with Iggy too, but instead did a sign and trade with him because it gave them the caproom they needed for him.

The Warriors actively considered trading Klay for Love the same year Cleveland got him, that was common knowledge, but they didn't actively try to trade him for Howard, they refused the Lakers offer.

I honestly don't know what you mean about California and the child support laws, this happened after the 2012-13 season, a season Dwight Howard spent playing for the Lakers, in LA, in California!

the lucky part of that whole equation IMO was again the warriors discovered the death lineup that revolutionized how the NBA played, because of all that. If they had signed howard they'd have been trying all year to fit him into that lineup, and it wouldn't have worked. Without him they got Iggy, and then when Lee got hurt they had to play Draymond and they discovered the death lineup that got them 2 straight finals appearances and one title.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Again not true. Dwight got paid significantly more than Igoudala so the ONLY way for the Warriors to get Dwight was to trade a packake including Klay and/or other valuable assets along with the crap they sent out in order to make salaries match. They were willing to do that for Dwight who was seen leaguewide as having significantly more value at that time than Klay.

Remember it was Dwight who didn't choose the Warriors (rumors of California's child support laws being stricter than Texas was a rumor about him nit choosing the Lakers or GS) so it's pretty delusional again to pretend this was Warriors 8 dimensional chess.

Simply not true...the only time the team actively looked at trading Klay was for Kevin Love. Then West said he'd resign if the team did that and the rest is history.

 

[Dback Jon]

If I couldn't use quotes from Stripes, Airplane, Princess Bride and Caddyshack, I'd have very little to talk about.

Inconceivable

 

[Ronin]

Michael Lee‏Verified account@MrMichaelLee 3h3 hours ago
GSW isn't bad for the NBA. You know what is? SAC being in the lottery 12 years & trading away its lone all-star...ORL being rudderless since dealing Dwight...PHX stumbling over itself once Nash got old...BKN trading its future to BOS...CHA passionately hugging mediocrity...

 

[Ronin]

Michael Lee‏Verified account@MrMichaelLee 3h3 hours ago
NYK needlessly searching out a savior...MEM leaving behind grit&grind...Awful, non-competitive franchises are bad for the NBA. A dynasty generates interest, ignites passion. Dominance is good for business. Nobody - outside of process trusters in PHI - enjoys paying to watch lousy

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Michael Lee‏Verified account@MrMichaelLee 3h3 hours ago
NYK needlessly searching out a savior...MEM leaving behind grit&grind...Awful, non-competitive franchises are bad for the NBA. A dynasty generates interest, ignites passion. Dominance is good for business. Nobody - outside of process trusters in PHI - enjoys paying to watch lousy

Goes both ways though. Having just a few teams that control a large portion of the talent in the NBA causes more teams to be mediocre or bad. It also makes it almost impossible to build through free agency because free agents want to go to an already proven winner and through trades because there is too much chance that the player you are trading for will leave for greener pastures at the first opportunity.

 

[Western Font]

It’s not the super teams that are the problem, it’s the limited number of markets that can put them together. It’s about the fans of the Utahs and Mikwaukees of the league, and to a certain extent Phoenix.

Take OKC: they had a super team in the making because the Sonics had drafted Durant and Westbrook and then OKC drafted Harden. But they trade Harden for money reasons, while the Warriors (or another team willing or able to go into the tax) would have found a way to keep him. Then Durant leaves to play with the Warriors and win titles, but also allegedly for off-court business opportunities. Suddenly the chatter is that if OKC doesn’t re-sign Westbrook, that could effectively be the end of the franchise—or at least it would send them to competitive purgatory until a lottery pick pans out for them. Because it’s not like NBA stars are going to maneuver their way to OKC instead of Miami or LA. Seattle would have had a much better shot at that, incidentally.

So now Bucks fans are hoping Giannis really does like it there, the way Malone liked Utah and Duncan liked San Antonio. Otherwise they’re right back in competitive purgatory, while a Laker fan has hope of a quick rebound even at their competitive nadir.

 

[Russ Smith]

It’s not the super teams that are the problem, it’s the limited number of markets that can put them together. It’s about the fans of the Utahs and Mikwaukees of the league, and to a certain extent Phoenix.

Take OKC: they had a super team in the making because the Sonics had drafted Durant and Westbrook and then OKC drafted Harden. But they trade Harden for money reasons, while the Warriors (or another team willing or able to go into the tax) would have found a way to keep him. Then Durant leaves to play with the Warriors and win titles, but also allegedly for off-court business opportunities. Suddenly the chatter is that if OKC doesn’t re-sign Westbrook, that could effectively be the end of the franchise—or at least it would send them to competitive purgatory until a lottery pick pans out for them. Because it’s not like NBA stars are going to maneuver their way to OKC instead of Miami or LA. Seattle would have had a much better shot at that, incidentally.

So now Bucks fans are hoping Giannis really does like it there, the way Malone liked Utah and Duncan liked San Antonio. Otherwise they’re right back in competitive purgatory, while a Laker fan has hope of a quick rebound even at their competitive nadir.

That's mostly true but remember, part of why OKC lost Harden, is they gave a big contract to Ibaka. There's an element of bad luck but also an element of bad evaluation. There were other "issues" that apparently led to Harden going, alleged personality conflicts that led to guys who could have taken a bit less to free up more for him, not doing it, but they had already made the mistake with Perkins contract and then they made a big mistake with Ibaka.

I would also add I don't think they were ever going to win it all with that group anyways. They made the finals and were up 1-0 on LeBron and the heat and then just fell apart and lost 4 straight with in fighting and other issue. They had some bad luck an injury year for KD one for RW, but I think in the end those 2 and Harden are all too ball dominant, the 3 of them together just weren't going to be as good on the court as they looked on paper. That's why Durant envied the Warriors so much, they move the ball.

The bad thing there is they didn't get much for those guys they effectively got a few years of kevin Martin, and the draft pick that became Adams.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Remember that teams like the Suns are making huge bucks off of those teams that are WAY over the lux tax. You change the rules to prevent owner stupidity. The Knicks should be a contender every year but are constantly weighed down by bad contracts.

The present set up is probably working better than we think. The Lakers, for all their advantages, have not put together the team that they really should be able to. And part of the problem that led to LeBron leaving Cleveland is the absolute inadequacy of the Cleveland ownership and the fact that LeBron felt he had to run that team himself, and did.

GS has been able to take advantage a lot because they are just smart.

I am not sure what solution there is except a franchise tag and maybe make the lux tax etc even more severe.

 

[Mainstreet]

Remember that teams like the Suns are making huge bucks off of those teams that are WAY over the lux tax. You change the rules to prevent owner stupidity. The Knicks should be a contender every year but are constantly weighed down by bad contracts.

The present set up is probably working better than we think. The Lakers, for all their advantages, have not put together the team that they really should be able to. And part of the problem that led to LeBron leaving Cleveland is the absolute inadequacy of the Cleveland ownership and the fact that LeBron felt he had to run that team himself, and did.

GS has been able to take advantage a lot because they are just smart.

I am not sure what solution there is except a franchise tag and maybe make the lux tax etc even more severe.

I'm not sure the luxury tax will work for owners who are willing to spend the money.

I think it will take a combination of things resembling a hard CAP, a more restricted free agency (where a team losing a player will most always receive something in return), and consideration of a franchise tag.

Also it would help if the NBA commissioner had a willingness to limit movement for the good of the NBA. This seems to be a dead idea any more.

 

[Hoop Head]

They should add some sort clause to the CBA where owners can veto a trade or free agency signing. I think they could get the ability to veto a trade but stopping a signing would be a tough sell. They'd need to prove other teams offered equal or greater financial incentives. With trades if 75% of owners veto a trade, it's squashed. That would be 21 or so owners that would need to decline it. Teams involved in the deal can't vote. 21 would be 75% of 28 teams, taking 2 out for the trade. Larger trades with more teams might cause issues but give the commissioner a final vote to break a tie to push things one way or the other.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ate-warriors-sign-demarcus-cousins/758459002/

Golden State Warriors just copying the path of past NBA champs

The NBA is finished. Next year is a foregone conclusion. How in the heck could league commissioner Adam Silver allow this to happen?

Doesn't he care?

That has been the reaction the last couple of days in the NBA universe and, frankly, I don't get it. Wait … actually, I do. Because no fan base has a shorter memory, or a stronger penchant for romanticism, than the NBA's.

Parity has never been part of the NBA.

Let me type that again: Never.

What is happening now is no different than how things have always been — more or less. The only difference is how teams are put together. General managers and owners used to decide everything. Now they don't, and players have a lot more say...

 

[JCSunsfan]

There should add some sort clause to the CBA where owners can veto a trade or free agency signing. I think they could get the ability to veto a trade but stopping a signing would be a tough sell. They'd need to prove other teams offered equal or greater financial incentives. With trades if 75% of owners veto a trade, it's squashed. That would be 21 or so owners that would need to decline it. Teams involved in the deal can't vote. 21 would be 75% of 28 teams, taking 2 out for the trade. Larger trades with more teams might cause issues but give the commissioner a final vote to break a tie to push things one way or the other.

How about an open auction for free agents? They can choose to take less from their home team, but if they become free agents, they have to go to the highest bidder. If they get equal bids, they may choose. The only way a home team can force a player to stay is to offer the supermax. This might actually be good for players because they will not be continually asked to take discounts etc. I have a hunch the players association would go for that.