Warriors sign Claxton

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Larry Beil just said 3 years 10 million dollar deal. Warriors are also apparently trying to retain Earl Boykins.

If Claxton can stay healthy and they can keep Boykins I'm pretty satisfied, Sura can play PG in a pinch if they need a bigger PG, and this will open things up for Dunleavy to distribute the ball a bit more when he's out there.

I also believe that Claxton will help the defense. He's not the scorer Gil is and that will clearly be missed, but I think I'd much rather have Claxton and Boykins, than Luke Ridnour.
 

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The Warriors still need to rework that roster badly. Something has got to give. I think that the Warriors need to move Jason Richardson.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
Larry Beil just said 3 years 10 million dollar deal. Warriors are also apparently trying to retain Earl Boykins.

If Claxton can stay healthy and they can keep Boykins I'm pretty satisfied,
I wouldn't be if I was a GSW fan.

Both Claxton and Boykins are quality backups.No more.
I would not want either Claxton or Boykins as the starting PG of my team.
I highly doubt that GSW will sign both. They are the same players.
 
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Re: Re: Warriors sign Claxton

Originally posted by hcsilla
I wouldn't be if I was a GSW fan.

Both Claxton and Boykins are quality backups.No more.
I would not want either Claxton or Boykins as the starting PG of my team.
I highly doubt that GSW will sign both. They are the same players.

Huh? Claxton is a floor leader, Boykins is a scorer, in a small body. Boykins is a great shooter, Claxton is a weak shooter. They're both small and quick but they have very different mindsets out there.

I agree neither is ideal as a starting PG in the NBA, but I think the team plans on running more offense through Dunleavy if they can.

I'm also fairly certain they're busy exploring the odds of moving Richardson now that they don't have to worry about angering Arenas by doing so.

The Warriors have too many SG/SF's on the roster they have to change that and Richardson seems to be a guy they can use to do that.
 

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I remember when Orlando had a small backcourt with Darrel Armstrong and Chucky Atkins and they proved to be pretty effective. Hopefully Claxtin and Boykins don't do as well.:)
 

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Re: Re: Re: Warriors sign Claxton

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Huh? Claxton is a floor leader, Boykins is a scorer, in a small body. Boykins is a great shooter, Claxton is a weak shooter. They're both small and quick but they have very different mindsets out there.
Claxton is not a floor leader.
Both Claxton and Boykins are super-quick G's in dwarf-bodies who play hustle defense and don't have the ability running a team offense. Both always will be the post-up targets of bigger PG's (Payton, Cassell, Kidd etc.)
Boykins is a better shooter and Claxton is a better one-on-one player but except that their playing style is very similar, IMO.

The Warriors have too many SG/SF's on the roster they have to change that and Richardson seems to be a guy they can use to do that.
I'm always wondering how quickly the fans (not specifically you) change their opinions.
Every single GSW fan was excited about Jason Richardson in his rookie season. He was their missing link, their savior, their best young talent, everything.
Now most of GSW fans want to trade Richardson because this past season he improved "only" his 3P- and FT-shooting.
And they think that Pietrus can replace him. Good luck!

I agree that GSW have too much swingmen but that's because of their (IMO stupid) draft picks. They didn't really need Dunleavy, Welsch and Pietrus but they picked them.
Now they should enjoy the consequences of their reasonable decisions.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Warriors sign Claxton

Originally posted by hcsilla
Claxton is not a floor leader.
Both Claxton and Boykins are super-quick G's in dwarf-bodies who play hustle defense and don't have the ability running a team offense. Both always will be the post-up targets of bigger PG's (Payton, Cassell, Kidd etc.)
Boykins is a better shooter and Claxton is a better one-on-one player but except that their playing style is very similar, IMO.

Have we really seen enough of Speedy Claxton to know he is not a floor leader? You also keeps saying that Boykins is a better shooter. I think Claxton shoots the ball every bit as well as him. He seems to have a very consistent midrange shot. During the regular-season Claxton shot 3% better than Boykins from the field.

I do agree that having two tiny point guards is not ideal.

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Originally posted by hcsilla
Claxton is not a floor leader.
Both Claxton and Boykins are super-quick G's in dwarf-bodies who play hustle defense and don't have the ability running a team offense. Both always will be the post-up targets of bigger PG's (Payton, Cassell, Kidd etc.)
Boykins is a better shooter and Claxton is a better one-on-one player but except that their playing style is very similar, IMO.


I'm always wondering how quickly the fans (not specifically you) change their opinions.
Every single GSW fan was excited about Jason Richardson in his rookie season. He was their missing link, their savior, their best young talent, everything.
Now most of GSW fans want to trade Richardson because this past season he improved "only" his 3P- and FT-shooting.
And they think that Pietrus can replace him. Good luck!

I agree that GSW have too much swingmen but that's because of their (IMO stupid) draft picks. They didn't really need Dunleavy, Welsch and Pietrus but they picked them.
Now they should enjoy the consequences of their reasonable decisions.

Actually I didn't want Richardson and I can prove it. That year I was the Warrior GM for the Usenet draft, and I took Zach Randolph, I even mentioned in my bit for the draft that if the rumors about moving Hughes were true, they might draft Richardson, but I didn't think they should.

http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/usenet.html

The problems with Richardson are numerous, he can't handle the ball, plays no defense, and like Arenas he showed last year he is a bit immature. When he started to lose PT at times because of Boykins(they were moving Arenas to SG at times), he sulked. He and Gil staged the one practice "sickout" .

He's not a bad player mind you, but on a team who has a major weakness on defense, he's probably their worst defender in the starting lineup. Even Dunleavy has shown himself to be a more reliable defender than Richardson, although if he's playing full time SG I expect HIM to have defensive problems too.

But Dunleavy also gives the offense things JR doesn't because of his passing skill and understanding of movement. Richardson doesn't move without the ball and when he has it, it often stays with him too long.

Pietrus was drafted to help with the defense. In the summer league he showed inconsistent shot, a tendency to try to jump over people, and great defense. he had one game where he drew 6 charges, he played multiple positions defensively including PF at times, and did well. Nobody is expecting him to be Latrell Sprewell this year, but he's going to help the defense right away.

They felt he was the best player, they still feel Richardson has market value, I fully expect them to TRY and trade JR.

You have to remember, Arenas and JR were best friends, the Warriors WANTED to retain Arenas, so they simply were not going to move JR until it became clear Gil was gone. Now that's no longer an issue, they're free to consider options to reshape the roster.

Obviously in hindsight taking Amare over Dunleavy was the right pick, at the time the unknowns with Amare were too much for a team that had passed on Garnett, Kobe and McGrady for the same reasons. But Dunleavy is still a big part of the teams future, he may never be another Mullin or Rick Barry but he is a multi talented player who gives this team promise.

FYI I am also not a big fan of Jamison for similar reasons, bad defense, doesn't pass the ball enough. I just think JR is easier to move because of contracts.
 

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I'm surprised you have such a high opinion of Dunleavy. I thought he was highly overrated coming out of college, and I think you are overrating him now.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Warriors sign Claxton

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Obviously in hindsight taking Amare over Dunleavy was the right pick
Also Hilario, Butler and Gooden would have been better picks than Dunleavy.
Other than that I agree with your post but I still have doubts if will Dunleavy ever adjust to NBA.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Warriors sign Claxton

Originally posted by hcsilla
Also Hilario, Butler and Gooden would have been better picks than Dunleavy.
Other than that I agree with your post but I still have doubts if will Dunleavy ever adjust to NBA.

Not sold on Hilario yet, he's talented but he also got to play a lot for a bad team. I'm not convinced he would have been able to get many minutes over Murphy in Golden State. Upside is there I just want to see more of it. I wouldn't have been mad if we picked him.

Gooden I know really well, local kid I saw him play in HS. I was frankly surprised at how he played this year, I really thought he was a classic tweener and would have major problems in the NBA.

I don't think Butler made any more sense than Dunleavy he's a SF or SG, and the Warriors were scared of his legal history as a juvenile. Good player, 42% for a rookie in that offense is not all that bad.

I was really up in the air on Dunleavy, the Warriors felt they needed a shooter, and a guy who could do multiple things. They also felt, and I understand why, that nobody had improved more year to year than Dunleavy, he's still growing, still getting stronger, and it was reasonable to assume he'd be a much better player in 2-3 years than he was now. THey of course wanted Williams or Yao but had no chance at either.

Despite his horrible start, Dunleavy wound up shooting .403 to Butler's .416, so he didn't shoot that much worse.

As I mentioned in the Arenas threads before, there are without question players on the Warriors glad Arenas left because they felt he was a ball hog. I think that's oversimplified, he did make this team better, but there were definitely issues with him that will be different now.

Dunleavy earned the respect of his teammates because Musselman gave him nothing, made him work for minutes, and he did it without much complaint.

Regarding Claxton my floor leader comment was based on his college assist numbers, and his ability in the open court, remember the Warriors are NOT a halfcourt team. I would agree in a halfcourt set he's not a great set it up and run the offense PG.

A friend of mine who used to work for About.com and now is on some other basketball site(uses the name Jazzy J or Jed Tai) does an annual who is the top PG in college thing where he has this complicated formula he came up with to rank players. Claxton "won" his last year in school, I've kept tabs on him since then for that reason. Not saying the formula is the bible, just that I think Claxton is one of those guys like Avery Johnson who if he can stay healthy might just carve out a nice career for himself if he's used correctly. I figure 28-30 MPG for him the rest for Boykins(or whoever if they don't retain Earl) is the correct way to use him.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith

Dunleavy earned the respect of his teammates because Musselman gave him nothing, made him work for minutes, and he did it without much complaint.


So did Joe Kleine, but nobody built a team around him... :D
 
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So did Joe Kleine, but nobody built a team around him... :D

True, I think there was some anticipated resentment of MDJ because of his dad's coaching career, I think some players expected him to be a primadonna and were pleasantly surprised that he wasn't.

Again, I don't think he's going to be another Mullin or Barry, those comparisons are based on skin color, but I do think in a few years if he works hard, he can be a guy who can get you 18 to 20 points, 5-6 boards and 4-5 assists on a regular basis. I think he's the type of guy people LIKE to play with because he passes so well and so willingly, and I think his proven track record of improvement bodes well.

I would trade him in a heartbeat for Amare now, but I don't think the Suns are that stupid !
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith


I would trade him in a heartbeat for Amare now, but I don't think the Suns are that stupid !

I take exception to your last comment! :D

Judging by winning percentage, the Suns are one of the most intelligent teams, and the Warriors are not. :p

St. Jean has got to go. The Warriors are so poorly constructed which is the main reason the Warriors didn't make the playoffs.
 
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I take exception to your last comment! :D

Judging by winning percentage, the Suns are one of the most intelligent teams, and the Warriors are not. :p

St. Jean has got to go. The Warriors are so poorly constructed which is the main reason the Warriors didn't make the playoffs.

I said I do NOT think the Suns are stupid enough to trade amare.

I agree St. Jean stinks.

I just think I have learned to live with the Dunleavy pick(because I see him eventually replacing Jamison) and i like the Pietrus pick because I see him eventually replacing Richardson.

I reserve the right to change my mind later and whine like a baby if both guys are busts.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
I said I do NOT think the Suns are stupid enough to trade amare.

I agree St. Jean stinks.

I just think I have learned to live with the Dunleavy pick(because I see him eventually replacing Jamison) and i like the Pietrus pick because I see him eventually replacing Richardson.

I reserve the right to change my mind later and whine like a baby if both guys are busts.

I know I was just screwing with you. :D

In a perfect world the Warriors would be able to unload Jamison and Richardson. Neither of them are great defenders, and both need a lot of shots. If I were the Warriors, I would be more inclined to keep Jamison and move Richardson.

I doubt that the Warriors would get a player(s) that would help immediately. Most likely the Warriors would get draft picks and crappy players, and be forced to suck for a little while longer.
 

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