We blew this offseason...BAD!

[pokerface]

We probably wont get Kobe or Tmac...sounds like they're NOT bringing Vujanic over...Either we overpay for Nash/Okur or dont get them at all (not sure which is worse)...We TRADED AWAY our high draft pick. NOW WHAT??

The Suns trading away our draft pick still really bugs me. I can't believe they're acting so desperate to dump money! Didn't we have enough money without trading our pick? Apparently we did have enough since they're saying "We dont have to spend it all this season"...goody.

I was really pumped up about this offseason now I'm just disgusted. I know its not over yet but I'm not liking how they're sounding about things....I'm not liking our chances at players either. If they get Kobe I'll be the first to apologize about doubting them but its not looking good...not good at all.

 

[scotsman13]

you know you might at least wait to see what happen during the off season. i mean it hasnt even started.


i beleive that 99% of the garbage about what the suns were going to do this offseason was started by bored sports writers making stuff up. i mean kobe, tmac and amare all on the same team with only 1 basketball between them. heck there would be blood before training camp was even out.

 

[Joe Mama]

OK. I don't like to delete posts and threads and ended a bunch of things, but this one is borderline. It's redundant. We have two or three threads going already arguing the exact same thing.

Joe Mama

 

[Skkorpion]

If the team gets the money problem under control, we'll be better off inside of two years. This is not all negative. It may have been inevitable.

Come on, cheer up a little. I'm pissed too but better days lie ahead with new ownership.

 

[cardsunsfan]

OK. I don't like to delete posts and threads and ended a bunch of things, but this one is borderline. It's redundant. We have two or three threads going already arguing the exact same thing.

Joe Mama

You're probably right, but some of these threads go one forever...when it gets up to over 8 pages sometimes I feel like just starting a new thread to get back to the basic premise....

 

[cardsunsfan]

If the team gets the money problem under control, we'll be better off inside of two years. This is not all negative. It may have been inevitable.

Come on, cheer up a little. I'm pissed too but better days lie ahead with new ownership.

The only problem about that is for the team to get the money under control we need people to go to the games and the only way that will happen is if we're one of the best teams in the NBA ( probably top six or something) It's kind of a catch22... to do well in AZ you have to have a great team... if you're the middle of the road your going to lose money...especially when it comes to baseball and basketball........

 

[pokerface]

Come on, cheer up a little. I'm pissed too but better days lie ahead with new ownership.

What makes you think we arnt seeing the affects of new ownership right now? You think Sarver is out of the loop? I dont think so...He's putting his mark on things as we speak. They arnt making moves without his input.

 

[SweetD]

The offseason isn't over with yet. The Suns still have a lot of cap space to get invovled in free agents and trades that would need a third team with cap to help out. If they get Kobe it was a great year, if they don't it will be an ok year. Right now the Suns are looking at their players and they see Amare (soon to be Max) and JJ (not Max but good chunk of change) you either hold your cash or don't sign them in the future.

 

[Joe Mama]

SweetD, that picture is hysterical.

The off-season has only just begun. There's really no telling will happen. I always have to remind myself of the Luc Longley deal. I remember I was on the Rivals message board repeatedly shooting down people's trade proposals involving Luc Longley much the same way I did before the draft with Howard Eiseley. I still believe I was correct on every one of those situations, but I don't think it's impossible that Howard Eiseley could be traded. That's because you never know what another team or two are going to be willing to do to get a trade done. The Phoenix Suns are in great position to cash in on those desperate teams.

Joe Mama

 

[Bada0Bing]

We probably wont get Kobe or Tmac...sounds like they're NOT bringing Vujanic over...Either we overpay for Nash/Okur or dont get them at all (not sure which is worse)...We TRADED AWAY our high draft pick. NOW WHAT??

The Suns trading away our draft pick still really bugs me. I can't believe they're acting so desperate to dump money! Didn't we have enough money without trading our pick? Apparently we did have enough since they're saying "We dont have to spend it all this season"...goody.

I was really pumped up about this offseason now I'm just disgusted. I know its not over yet but I'm not liking how they're sounding about things....I'm not liking our chances at players either. If they get Kobe I'll be the first to apologize about doubting them but its not looking good...not good at all.

Since they are saving all that money by trading away their 1st round picks, I'm sure they will dramatically reduce their ticket prices right???

 

[Chaz]

Saying thay have blown the offseason at this point is like annoncing they lost the game before halftime is reached.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Whatever trick they have up their sleeve, I would really like to see.

 

[pokerface]

Saying thay have blown the offseason at this point is like annoncing they lost the game before halftime is reached.

The odds arnt looking good in certain areas... like getting Kobe or even Tmac. Other areas look like flat out bad moves. Areas like signing Nash or Okur for big money and long contracts. If we sign them guys we probably will regret it later when a real stud comes along. I dont like what I'm hearing about not bring Vuanic over either.

 

[Errntknght]

Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better... it looks one of those times to me. We did make some great progress during the year - JC's stanglehold on the Suns was broken, meaning that Junior can be ousted for doing badly. That's a huge milestone for the team! A couple more missteps or some bad luck and he's out.

So don't be so negative guys, this is a wonderful opportunity for this franchise to turn itself around, get a GM who is more constant than a weathervane at maintaining a single direction and thence get a real coach.

 

[George O'Brien]

At some point this is not about "excitement", it's about winning a championship. The Suns have a plan. They have told us what their plan is. They have followed their plan. If it works, they will be contenders within a couple of years.

"BUT I WANT IT ALL NOW".

Unfortunately, the Suns aren't going to win the championship this coming season because Amare isn't the player he will be in a year or so. Amare is the FRANCHISE and once he gets to the KG - TD level, this will be an awsome team. But nothing is going to turn him into a six year veteran this season or the defensive stopper the Suns have to have to compete.

What do we know about their plan? Actually we know quite a bit.

1. They want to start getting older and more experienced. Teams loaded with really young players don't win championships. The Suns announced they were not going to draft a project like MA, Pavel or Josh Smith no matter how much upside. Instead they took a college senior who looks like he will get 800 to 1200 minutes.

2. They said they wanted to use their lottery pick to pick up a veteran or trade for future picks. They tried to get T-Mac using the pick and then traded for a future pick. They told us what they were going to do, but somehow it comes as a big shock.

3. The said they were going to clear cap space. They moved White using a protected future first, they traded out of the lottery and guaranteed salaries, and they refused to extend a big buyout to get Vujanic this year. They have done exactly what they said they would do.

What is next? Van Arsdale said they are looking to get a veteran point guard and to get bigger. They have never SAID they are going to make a run at Kobe. They might, but that is not the point. They HAVE done what they have said they would do and I have no reason to disbelieve them now.

 

[Chaz]

Other areas look like flat out bad moves. Areas like signing Nash or Okur for big money and long contracts.

Do you know something I don't? A crystal ball perhaps?

Can we wait untill the Suns make a move before we chastize them for doing it?

 

[pokerface]

Do you know something I don't? A crystal ball perhaps?

I dont need a crystal ball when I see the Lakers in the media giving up all the money and power over to Kobe. Plus when I'm seeing Kobe trial stuff in CNN a lot thats another reminder of the hurdles we have to overcome for Kobe.

Can we wait untill the Suns make a move before we chastize them for doing it?

I am seeing moves...numerous money dumping moves and thats it. I mean what kind of weak sauce strategy are we doing here?? Are we really dumping money all over the place on the sheer REMOTE chance we get Kobe when in all liklihood we have almost no chance on getting him?

Now we have to hear Vujanic may be too expensive to bring over here? Plus apparently our #7 draft pick was a big burden too.

All this for Kobe I guess....a longshot pipedream.

 

[Chaz]

I dont need a crystal ball when I see the Lakers in the media giving up all the money and power over to Kobe. Plus when I'm seeing Kobe trial stuff in CNN a lot thats another reminder of the hurdles we have to overcome for Kobe.





I am seeing moves...numerous money dumping moves and thats it. I mean what kind of weak sauce strategy are we doing here?? Are we really dumping money all over the place on the sheer REMOTE chance we get Kobe when in all liklihood we have almost no chance on getting him?

Now we have to hear Vujanic may be too expensive to bring over here? Plus apparently our #7 draft pick was a big burden too.

All this for Kobe I guess....a longshot pipedream.

The fact is, you don't know what will happen and neither do I.

I have some issue with the moves the Suns have made but what I really have a problem with are people that pass judgements like "they blew it" (past tense) on moves that have not been made.

Look we both want success for the Suns, and I don't think they can "blow it" unless they trade Stoudemire for scrubs or sign a scrub for huge money. I never thought there was much of a chance for Kobe to begin with, as a result I can't be too disappointed if he stays with the Lakers.

Take care pokerface, I can appreciate your passion for the team.

GO SUNS.

 

[pokerface]

Well maybe the past tense I'm using is going too far but I'm getting impatient and not liking how things are looking.

 

[SirStefan32]

Saying thay have blown the offseason at this point is like annoncing they lost the game before halftime is reached.

Exactly Chaz!
You are right, it is way too early to say that they have blown it. There is still time to trade.

Stefan

 

[George O'Brien]

Well maybe the past tense I'm using is going too far but I'm getting impatient and not liking how things are looking.

It is premature to criticize the jockey when the horses aren't even in the starting gate.

I don't really think that their plan has been built around getting Kobe. It has been to have enough space to resign Dice and still afford two guys starting at $6 million if the situation warrents. Even at $15 million (a cap of $43 million), they can do that and still have two first round picks next year plus being able to bring Vujanic over then.

Will they get it done? I think they are all but forced to sign a PG (Barry or Nash) after sitting out the draft. I think they will talk to every free agent big man and do what they can. Unless they can find someone worth the money, they may do Dice and a PG, then wait for a trade offer (likely a "rent a player" in cap deal).

The only way the Suns could "blow it" is if they waiting on Kobe and then ended up being too late to do anything else. Or they could sign Okur to a big contract, they would be a huge mistake.

 

[zett]

my wish would be to sign Foyle and either nash or bring over Vujanic, with the rest of our troops just improving will be a big improvement. As long as we stay healthy. But I think Foyle is our key to having the defensive stopper we need.

 

[George O'Brien]

my wish would be to sign Foyle and either nash or bring over Vujanic, with the rest of our troops just improving will be a big improvement. As long as we stay healthy. But I think Foyle is our key to having the defensive stopper we need.

Foyle appears likely to get a big contract offer from the Warriors after Dampier leaves and gives them a lot of cap space. (This is according to a report from one of the Bay Area papers).

I would not rule out Foyle, but Blount is easier to go after because Boston simply does not have the cap space to match an above MLE offer.

 

[Joe Mama]

Foyle appears likely to get a big contract offer from the Warriors after Dampier leaves and gives them a lot of cap space. (This is according to a report from one of the Bay Area papers).

I would not rule out Foyle, but Blount is easier to go after because Boston simply does not have the cap space to match an above MLE offer.

you wrote this in another thread as well, but everything I've read suggests the Warriors will lose both of them. I think it has less to do with money than Erick Dampier and Foyle are sick of the Golden State Warriors. You are literally the only person I've seen so far he thinks that Foyle will be in Golden State next year.

Joe Mama

 

[Chaz]

Exactly Chaz!
You are right, it is way too early to say that they have blown it. There is still time to trade.

Stefan

YEA, they still have plenty of time left to screw it up!