We got pretty lucky right?

[Fitz Rulz]

No, we were not lucky. Rams were lucky to be still in the game.
Game should have been won early but Komar fumbled in red zone after a great catch.

 

[D-Dogg]

You can force yourself to be in the right place to capitalize on luck, but you don't 'make your own luck.'

You can't capitalize on luck, as it doesn't exist. You can capitalize on probability, which might make you look "lucky."

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet. "Luck" as a reason for something happening doesn't exist.

You can't capitalize on luck, as it doesn't exist. You can capitalize on probability, which might make you look "lucky."

 

[Sandan]

Its simple, in a game any number of things might happen, like on a punt the ball can bounce forward or sometimes bounce right back.

Preparation and effort will putting your in a position to take advantage of the good breaks and minimize the bad ones.

'Making your own luck' refers to this as it maximizing good opportunities and minimizing bad event.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Its simple, in a game any number of things might happen, like on a punt the ball can bounce forward or sometimes bounce right back.

True, but that isn't luck.

Preparation and effort will putting your in a position to take advantage of the good breaks and minimize the bad ones.

Agree, but again. Not luck.

'Making your own luck' refers to this as it maximizing good opportunities and minimizing bad event.

I know what the term refers to. The phrase 'making your own luck' itself is a contradiction. Very similar to giving 110%.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Not sure I agree with this either.

That's alright...I still think your cool!

 

[conraddobler]

I would have to agree that we were not "lucky" to win the game, in fact the game went to the more talented team IMO.

A win is a win, and that game didn't really tell me much of anything, at least from my perspective.

The thing was an enigma, and I actually expected it to confirm things one way or another and it did nothing like that, it was weird.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's alright...I still think your cool!

 

[Duckjake]

Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet. "Luck" as a reason for something happening doesn't exist.

Luck as we like to talk about it is simply where you fall in relation to probabilities. For example: If there is a 30% chance of rain on a day you plan to play golf and it rains that is bad luck for you good luck for the grass. If it doesn't that is good luck for you bad luck for the grass. There is nothing you can do to keep it from raining or to make it rain.

In many other instances you can prepare and reduce your exposure to adverse results from being on the wrong side of probability. In fact that is what a major part of coaching is about. Judging probabilities and tendencies and preparing for them. And I would say that is how you could make your own luck.

 

[desertdawg]

In fact that is what a major part of coaching is about. Judging probabilities and tendencies and preparing for them. And I would say that is how you could make your own luck.

+ 100

 

[Brighteyes]

I can remember when we used to lose games like that -- before the Whisenhunt days. We'd play a 'good' team, hang in there most of it, and then finally watch the clock run out. And we'd all say, 'if only this, is only that, we could have beaten those guys.'

I just know I much prefer being on this side.

 

[D-Dogg]

You understand it.


In fact you specifically didn't bold the part that explained it:

Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet. "Luck" as a reason for something happening doesn't exist.
You can't capitalize on luck, as it doesn't exist. You can capitalize on probability, which might make you look "lucky."

To further the point:

"Pie in the sky" doesn't exist. People with grandiose dreams are living pie in the sky.

A doesn't exist. B + C = the result that people call A but they think A happens in a vacuum.

Luck doesn't exist. Hard work/preparation and Opportunity exist. People see the results of hard work and preparation on the field when opportunity presents itself and say "wow, how lucky." It isn't luck, it's preparation.

:shakeshead:

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You understand it.


In fact you specifically didn't bold the part that explained it:



To further the point:

"Pie in the sky" doesn't exist. People with grandiose dreams are living pie in the sky.

A doesn't exist. B + C = the result that people call A but they think A happens in a vacuum.

Luck doesn't exist. Hard work/preparation and Opportunity exist. People see the results of hard work and preparation on the field when opportunity presents itself and say "wow, how lucky." It isn't luck, it's preparation.

:shakeshead:

You can have scenarios that have nothing to do with hard work or preparation. You have Randy Johnson throwing a 95MPH fastball. A bird flies in the way. Bird explodes. Ball is the call. No big deal, unless the it is the bottom of the 9th of a tie game with the bases loaded and a full count. That would be lucky for the batter, unlucky for Randy.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

You understand it.


In fact you specifically didn't bold the part that explained it:



To further the point:

"Pie in the sky" doesn't exist. People with grandiose dreams are living pie in the sky.

A doesn't exist. B + C = the result that people call A but they think A happens in a vacuum.

Luck doesn't exist. Hard work/preparation and Opportunity exist. People see the results of hard work and preparation on the field when opportunity presents itself and say "wow, how lucky." It isn't luck, it's preparation.

:shakeshead:

Luck=Opportunity+Preparation



There are myriad variables, at any given time, during every situation in the middle of a play, due to external forces, that are outside the direct control of any one particular player on the field.

This is the "opportunity"

During that exact moment in time, there are 22 individuals (bringing their own "known" set of constants and some more variables into the equation) attempting to perform a task on the field to achieve a result that would benefit their team's position on the field at the same time.

This is the "preparation".

When the whistle blows, and all that activity has produced an on-field result, we can view said result as having been "lucky" when in fact what we should say is that said event was unpredictable, unintended, or unexpected in it's conclusion.

That said...it's better to be lucky than it is to be good!

 

[82CardsGrad]

"The most luck I ever had came when I prepared the most..."

Byron Nelson

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

"The most luck I ever had came when I prepared the most..."

Byron Nelson

"The most luck I ever had was when I was surrounded by drunk chicks on spring break in Palm Springs back in 1987..."

Ken Shockley

 

[82CardsGrad]

"The most luck I ever had was when I was surrounded by drunk chicks on spring break in Palm Springs back in 1987..."

Ken Shockley

Oh yea! That too!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

Luck=Opportunity+Preparation



There are myriad variables, at any given time, during every situation in the middle of a play, due to external forces, that are outside the direct control of any one particular player on the field.

This is the "opportunity"

During that exact moment in time, there are 22 individuals (bringing their own "known" set of constants and some more variables into the equation) attempting to perform a task on the field to achieve a result that would benefit their team's position on the field at the same time.

This is the "preparation".

When the whistle blows, and all that activity has produced an on-field result, we can view said result as having been "lucky" when in fact what we should say is that said event was unpredictable, unintended, or unexpected in it's conclusion.

This.

 

[Duckjake]

You can't say that Luck is when Opportunity meets preparation because you have to be lucky to get the opportunity.

 

[D-Dogg]

You can have scenarios that have nothing to do with hard work or preparation. You have Randy Johnson throwing a 95MPH fastball. A bird flies in the way. Bird explodes. Ball is the call. No big deal, unless the it is the bottom of the 9th of a tie game with the bases loaded and a full count. That would be lucky for the batter, unlucky for Randy.

It would be unexpected for both of them, not lucky. A positive and negative unexpected result.

HIGHLY unlikely result for sure, given all the variables in play in order to bring about the situation, but has no bearing on "luck." Luck is a made up lay term to describe the maddening multi-variable world of unplanned and unexpected results we live with all around us.

Preparation and opportunity put them both in that situation. Getting the full count, getting to a one pitch scenario, etc. The variable of the bird enters the equation, something that can't be prepared for. Thus, an unexpected negative result for Randy. The batter still has to decide to swing or not, is prepared to make that decision and has the opportunity to see a bad pitch coming his way...takes the ball, wins the game. Not lucky. Unexpected positive outcome.

Or, simply see Ken's post.

 

[Duckjake]

You say unexpected positive outcome I say good luck. Luck is easier to say and write. Like "It took several unexpected positive outcomes for us to win" vs "We were lucky to win." The latter works just fine for me.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

You say unexpected positive outcome I say good luck. Luck is easier to say and write. Like "It took several unexpected positive outcomes for us to win" vs "We were lucky to win." The latter works just fine for me.

Not if the commentators were Spock and Data from Star Trek...as lifeless and deadpan their delivery would be, it'd be better than most on on-air personalities out there right now.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It would be unexpected for both of them, not lucky. A positive and negative unexpected result.

HIGHLY unlikely result for sure, given all the variables in play in order to bring about the situation, but has no bearing on "luck." Luck is a made up lay term to describe the maddening multi-variable world of unplanned and unexpected results we live with all around us.

Preparation and opportunity put them both in that situation. Getting the full count, getting to a one pitch scenario, etc. The variable of the bird enters the equation, something that can't be prepared for. Thus, an unexpected negative result for Randy. The batter still has to decide to swing or not, is prepared to make that decision and has the opportunity to see a bad pitch coming his way...takes the ball, wins the game. Not lucky. Unexpected positive outcome.

Or, simply see Ken's post.

Interesting take.

So I assume you have the same opinion on other things like faith, karma, etc?

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Lucky??

I've pondered on that subject a few times in my life. Does GOD make the ball bounce a certain way, that last second wind that suddenly kicks up and pulls a FG just wide to the right?? I listen to players sometimes after they've won say, we knew we were going to do it. It was destiny. ...And luck??

Well, I'll say this. I've noted over the years' that "luck" tends to follow teams that work hard, never quit, and generally keep playing their guts out until the final gun. Do they get all the bounces?? NO! BUT, they sure seem to get the "key" ones. GO CARDS!

 

[D-Dogg]

Interesting take.

So I assume you have the same opinion on other things like faith, karma, etc?

How so on faith? I don't believe in predetermined destiny but instead free will. Not sure I see the correlation there.

I don't believe in karma. I do believe your choices can bite you in the behind, but not because of some unseen force driving towards you as payback. Your choices simply open up pathways that can lead to unsavory places. Or great places. Sometimes both. Sometimes bad choices can lead to great results, too.

I do have a lot of interest in dimensional space/time, and choices in those types of realms I find fascinating.