Webb’s effort reaps win

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By Dan Zeiger, Tribune

The Chicago Cubs — particularly first baseman Derrek Lee, who fouled off ball after ball in a 13-pitch at-bat that resulted in a walk — made Brandon Webb work hard on Wednesday.

But the Diamondbacks right-hander hung in for 5 1 /3 innings, allowing six hits and two earned runs. It was the kind of effort that, last year, he might not have had anything to show for.

But in 2005, it was good enough for a win.

"I had to throw a lot of pitches and had a lot of guys on base," Webb said. "I had to work out of some jams. But overall, I thought it was all right. Too many pitches, though. I need to work on that."

Webb fired 107 pitches on the night, which ended with one out and two on in the sixth inning, and Arizona ahead 7-0. The runs charged to Webb came across when Cubs catcher Michael Barrett belted a three-run home run off reliever Brian Bruney.

Through it all, Webb kept fighting and kept his composure, which was not easy to do during a 2004 season in which he posted a 7-16 record.

"Lee had the long at-bat there, and you had to keep focusing," D-Backs manager Bob Melvin said. "He had to work hard, he really did. We gave him a lead, and he kept his focus. It was good to see."

Webb was expected to benefit most from the DBacks’ defensive upgrades during the offseason.

Arizona added two of the National League’s most reliable fielders, second baseman Craig Counsell and shortstop Royce Clayton, in part so that Webb could pitch to his strengths.

That means throwing a hard sinker to induce ground balls, which Webb could feel confident in being gobbled up and fired to first for an out. That was not always the case last season.

And Webb was eager to test the men behind him on Wednesday at Bank One Ballpark, as nine of the 16 outs he recorded against the Cubs came via groundouts.

"They didn’t hit many balls hard, so I was pleased with that," Webb said.

In the first, third and fourth innings, Webb allowed two Chicago hitters to reach. But then, he reached back, ending two of the frames on grounders.

The third inning ended when Webb fanned Cubs cleanup hitter Aramis Ramirez, getting him way out in front of a curveball.

"I hadn’t used the breaking ball much during the game," Webb said. "So, he hadn’t seen any. I went to one there and got him."

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I was not as impressed with Webb last night as the rest of you. He was great two years ago, and last year he pitched so many balls that hit the ground before they even reached the plate. Last night his control was just so-so. The only reason he did as well as he did was because of the defense. How many strike-outs did he really have.....not many that I recalled. The only way he was able to get any of the batters out was if they hit the ball and were thrown out. Just my opinion, but at least we won with good offensive hitting.
 

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minercon said:
I was not as impressed with Webb last night as the rest of you. He was great two years ago, and last year he pitched so many balls that hit the ground before they even reached the plate. Last night his control was just so-so. The only reason he did as well as he did was because of the defense. How many strike-outs did he really have.....not many that I recalled. The only way he was able to get any of the batters out was if they hit the ball and were thrown out. Just my opinion, but at least we won with good offensive hitting.

:thumbup: .. I am not sold on the guy. we was all over the place last night. After the runs started mounting the pressure came off for him and the cubs bailed him out a few times.
 

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minercon said:
The only reason he did as well as he did was because of the defense. How many strike-outs did he really have.....not many that I recalled.
Webb has never been a great strike out pitcher (he wasn't in his rookie year either), and is not likely to ever be one ... When his sinker is working, he will get a lot of ground balls so he needs solid infield defense to succeed. When his pitches are really working, the batters won't get good wood on them and will make a higher percentage of routine ground outs but there will always be some grounders that get through.
 

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I especially liked the filthy pitch Lyon used to strike out Nomar. It was wicked hahd.
 

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moviegeekjn said:
Webb has never been a great strike out pitcher (he wasn't in his rookie year either), and is not likely to ever be one ... When his sinker is working, he will get a lot of ground balls so he needs solid infield defense to succeed. When his pitches are really working, the batters won't get good wood on them and will make a higher percentage of routine ground outs but there will always be some grounders that get through.
Absolutely. When Webb hits 9 or 10 K's a game, he's not pitching his game -- ground balls.

I was happy to see him start his trip back to being a solid pitcher without a strikeout per inning.
 

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moviegeekjn said:
Webb has never been a great strike out pitcher (he wasn't in his rookie year either), and is not likely to ever be one ... When his sinker is working, he will get a lot of ground balls so he needs solid infield defense to succeed. When his pitches are really working, the batters won't get good wood on them and will make a higher percentage of routine ground outs but there will always be some grounders that get through.

last year Webb had absolutely no confidence in the infield, and therefore had no confidence in himeself. he relies on groundballs, if the infield cant throw out guys, what is Webb supposed to do. we commited 139 errors last season, and most were infield throwing errors.
 

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BC867 said:
Absolutely. When Webb hits 9 or 10 K's a game, he's not pitching his game -- ground balls.

I was happy to see him start his trip back to being a solid pitcher without a strikeout per inning.
I really disagree with that.

The key to Webb's success will be his control, meaning his ability to throw his sinker for strikes.

In 2003 the hitters all swung at his sinker out of the strike zone with 2 strikes, which leads to a lot of strike-outs. He also had a better ability to throw the sinker low and at the knees for strikes.

Last year guys simply sat on his sinker out of the strike zone because they knew it would be a ball. To make it work, he needs to show them the sinker for a strike with 2 strikes, because they need to know it can be thrown and they will be called out looking at it (he did have a fair number of called strike 3's in 2003).

This is similar to Curt with his splitter. The out pitch only works if you can throw a pitch that looks just like it that will be a strike.

Brandon Webb has the potential to be an ace pitcher like a Kevin Brown, precisely because he has the real sharp breaking sinker. This is better than say a Cory Lidle, who is a ground ball pitcher, but his sinker lacks the sharp break of Webb's. It's the strike-outs that will make the difference between being an average pitcher and being an ace pitcher.
 

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schillingfan said:
I really disagree with that.

The key to Webb's success will be his control, meaning his ability to throw his sinker for strikes.
That's a good point. But do you want a sinker pitcher to average 9+ strikeouts per game as you would a fastball pitcher.

Keeping his pitch in the strike zone is one thing. Setting a standard of more than a strikeout an inning is something else.
 

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