Week 3 Heroes and Goats

[Shaggy]

If you watch the last Fitz td, Cooper was the key player on that play. If he didn't get that one block on a sf player coming in to from the safety spot before the ball was thrown to Fitz, that sf player would have had a pick six easily.

 

[Shaggy]

As someone who freely admits that our fan attendance is overall embarrassing, this still made my blood boil. Hearing that we had to go to a silent snap count at home is ridiculous.

Pretty sad.

 

[82CardsGrad]

As someone who freely admits that our fan attendance is overall embarrassing, this still made my blood boil. Hearing that we had to go to a silent snap count at home is ridiculous.

I go to every home game and make no mistake, EVERY game played by the Cards at UoP provides them with a decided home field advantage.
However, there are a few teams - the 9ers are one of those teams - that always seem to show up in larger numbers.
Yesterday was still a massive home field advantage. We even got yet another False Start penalty (I think I saw a stat that said that penalty was the 129th False Start penalty by the opposition since UoP opened up).
It was very loud again yesterday. But as I mentioned, the 9er fans seemed to have been able to congregate in the southeast sections of the lower level. Honestly, from where I was sitting - directly opposite from where they were, I didn't think it was that loud... But I guess it was loud enough on the field to cause us to go to a silent count.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I think that the "Palmer's getting hit too much" stuff is a little overblown. At one point he had 3 hits on 18 dropbacks, which isn't terrible. In this deep-passing offense, Palmer's going to be exposed to some hits while he waits for guys to get open.

The Cards' offense calls three plays in the huddle, and Palmer decides on which one to run when he's at the LOS. I imagine that the San Francisco defense crashing the LOS caused Palmer to select the deep passing plays, which exposed him to more hits.

A little perspective. Total Hits on QB (your QB that is):

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

Green Bay Packers - 6
Pittsburgh Steelers - 11
Arizona Cardinals - 11
Oakland Raiders - 12
Baltimore Ravens - 13
Chicago Bears - 13
Minnesota Vikings - 13
Jacksonville Jaguars - 14
Kansas City Chiefs - 14
New Orleans Saints - 14
New England Patriots - 15
Carolina Panthers - 15
Philadelphia Eagles - 15
San Francisco 49ers - 15
Atlanta Falcons - 16
St. Louis Rams - 18
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 18
Cincinnati Bengals - 20
Tennessee Titans - 20
Denver Broncos - 22
Detroit Lions - 22
Seattle Seahawks - 24
Buffalo Bills - 26
Houston Texans - 26
Cleveland Browns - 27
San Diego Chargers - 31
Miami Dolphins - 33
New York Giants - 39
New York Jets - 45
Indianapolis Colts - 59
Washington Redskins - 63

Ouch! 59 hits on Andrew Luck. Good luck with that!

 

[TJ]

I go to every home game and make no mistake, EVERY game played by the Cards at UoP provides them with a decided home field advantage.
However, there are a few teams - the 9ers are one of those teams - that always seem to show up in larger numbers.
Yesterday was still a massive home field advantage. We even got yet another False Start penalty (I think I saw a stat that said that penalty was the 129th False Start penalty by the opposition since UoP opened up).
It was very loud again yesterday. But as I mentioned, the 9er fans seemed to have been able to congregate in the southeast sections of the lower level. Honestly, from where I was sitting - directly opposite from where they were, I didn't think it was that loud... But I guess it was loud enough on the field to cause us to go to a silent count.

I'm not saying we don't have a home field advantage, but the last time we were able to significantly outnumber a team with a large fan following was 2009, which was the Packers playoff game. It's as if a large majority of fans (bandwagoners?) retired with Warner.

This isn't a phenomenon you'll see at Lambeau Field, Gilette Stadium, or Mile High Field.

 

[kerouac9]

A little perspective. Total Hits on QB (your QB that is):

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...fensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

Green Bay Packers - 6
Pittsburgh Steelers - 11
Arizona Cardinals - 11
Oakland Raiders - 12
Baltimore Ravens - 13
Chicago Bears - 13
Minnesota Vikings - 13
Jacksonville Jaguars - 14
Kansas City Chiefs - 14
New Orleans Saints - 14
New England Patriots - 15
Carolina Panthers - 15
Philadelphia Eagles - 15
San Francisco 49ers - 15
Atlanta Falcons - 16
St. Louis Rams - 18
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 18
Cincinnati Bengals - 20
Tennessee Titans - 20
Denver Broncos - 22
Detroit Lions - 22
Seattle Seahawks - 24
Buffalo Bills - 26
Houston Texans - 26
Cleveland Browns - 27
San Diego Chargers - 31
Miami Dolphins - 33
New York Giants - 39
New York Jets - 45
Indianapolis Colts - 59
Washington Redskins - 63

Ouch! 59 hits on Andrew Luck. Good luck with that!

I feel like QB hits as a counting stat aren't incredibly useful; it's more important to put those in perspective over how many times you're attempting to throw the ball.

Also, it's worth remembering that Palmer's ACL last year was a non-contact injury, and I thin that Drew Stanton's was as well.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'm not saying we don't have a home field advantage, but the last time we were able to significantly outnumber a team with a large fan following was 2009, which was the Packers playoff game. It's as if a large majority of fans (bandwagoners?) retired with Warner.

This isn't a phenomenon you'll see at Lambeau Field, Gilette Stadium, or Mile High Field.

Agree to a certain extent. First, I believe it's totally improper to compare the Cards to teams like the Packers, Pats and Broncos. You can't simply deny the legacy of losing this team has endured. And, we have only had UoP since 2006. Personally, as someone who grew attending NY Giants games on a regular basis through 1998, I am amazed at times when I see the Red Sea take hold of UoP the way it does. Yes, there are season ticket holders who sell their tix on a routine basis to whomever is willing to fork over the $$. Ideally, if you're going to sell, sell to a Cards fan. But that just doesn't happen.
Anyway, let's see what this franchise looks like 5-10 years from now. If Mike Bidwill can continue to lead this franchise the way he has over the past 5-7 years, and if he can keep a guy like Keim and his team in place for a long, sustained period of time, I'm pretty confident that UoP will one day be able to be compared to Lambeau, Mile High or Gillette Stadium.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I feel like QB hits as a counting stat aren't incredibly useful; it's more important to put those in perspective over how many times you're attempting to throw the ball.

Sure, you would need that for a complete picture. But it still can give you an idea of how likely your QB is to get injured - when people are complaining that your QB has been hit too many times.

 

[Cheesebeef]

As someone who freely admits that our fan attendance is overall embarrassing, this still made my blood boil. Hearing that we had to go to a silent snap count at home is ridiculous.

agreed. in a game where the entire team played lights out, the crowd should have been a goat for this one.

how is the Valley not going completely nuts over this team and filling up near every damn seat in the stadium with our own? Come on Phoenicians... get your is together!

 

[Shaggy]

I'm not saying we don't have a home field advantage, but the last time we were able to significantly outnumber a team with a large fan following was 2009, which was the Packers playoff game. It's as if a large majority of fans (bandwagoners?) retired with Warner.

This isn't a phenomenon you'll see at Lambeau Field, Gilette Stadium, or Mile High Field.

Its just were we are located. We have a ton of California transplants from pre 2008 home bust. The weather here is great for the snow birds. The Cards haven't been a dominating team for years like GB, NE, and so on. If we continue to have several great years, that might change.

 

[Shaggy]

I feel like QB hits as a counting stat aren't incredibly useful; it's more important to put those in perspective over how many times you're attempting to throw the ball.

Also, it's worth remembering that Palmer's ACL last year was a non-contact injury, and I thin that Drew Stanton's was as well.

Stanton's wasn't it a non contact injury. He got flushed out and then sandwiched by 2 Rams defenders with his leg getting twisted in the process.

 

[Buckybird]

Kurt Warner should be the hero. Him teaching Kap this offseason was brilliant. "Kap, just lob it out there to a guy in red"

I was thinking the same after the game yesterday!!!

I knew he wouldn't betray the Big Red & his former team

 

[Chopper0080]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/heroes-and-goats-49ers-at-cards/

A familiar name returns to the goats list.

Honorable mention goats to Michael Floyd (who may have more OPI penalties than receptions on the year, and definitely has run a couple of wrong routes that Palmer highlighted) and Charles Davis, who was awful the entire game.

I totally agree with Veldheer. This might have been his worst game with the Cardinals.

Agree with Bucannon on a certain point. I think this game is where he has looked the most like an instinctive ILB that I have seen, but he failed to finish on several plays which was frustrating to watch.

I haven't rewatched it yet, but I didn't notice Cooper rolling around this game which was a surprise when I saw him on the GOAT list. I will have to rewatch it.

Hard to give out too many GOATS on a game like this, but Michael Floyd is one for me. I know you gave him an honerable GOAT, but I am more tolerant of Cooper, Veldheer, and Bucannon struggling when they play a ton of reps, than Floyd commiting penalties when he is playing just a few. He is almost a complete non-factor in games.

 

[Shaggy]

I totally agree with Veldheer. This might have been his worst game with the Cardinals.

Agree with Bucannon on a certain point. I think this game is where he has looked the most like an instinctive ILB that I have seen, but he failed to finish on several plays which was frustrating to watch.

I haven't rewatched it yet, but I didn't notice Cooper rolling around this game which was a surprise when I saw him on the GOAT list. I will have to rewatch it.

Hard to give out too many GOATS on a game like this, but Michael Floyd is one for me. I know you gave him an honerable GOAT, but I am more tolerant of Cooper, Veldheer, and Bucannon struggling when they play a ton of reps, than Floyd commiting penalties when he is playing just a few. He is almost a complete non-factor in games.

That OPI was the perfect move on his part. Glad he did it or it would have been another INT on Palmer's stats.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I go to every home game and make no mistake, EVERY game played by the Cards at UoP provides them with a decided home field advantage.
However, there are a few teams - the 9ers are one of those teams - that always seem to show up in larger numbers.
Yesterday was still a massive home field advantage. We even got yet another False Start penalty (I think I saw a stat that said that penalty was the 129th False Start penalty by the opposition since UoP opened up).
It was very loud again yesterday. But as I mentioned, the 9er fans seemed to have been able to congregate in the southeast sections of the lower level. Honestly, from where I was sitting - directly opposite from where they were, I didn't think it was that loud... But I guess it was loud enough on the field to cause us to go to a silent count.

Agree to a certain extent. First, I believe it's totally improper to compare the Cards to teams like the Packers, Pats and Broncos. You can't simply deny the legacy of losing this team has endured. And, we have only had UoP since 2006. Personally, as someone who grew attending NY Giants games on a regular basis through 1998, I am amazed at times when I see the Red Sea take hold of UoP the way it does. Yes, there are season ticket holders who sell their tix on a routine basis to whomever is willing to fork over the $$. Ideally, if you're going to sell, sell to a Cards fan. But that just doesn't happen.
Anyway, let's see what this franchise looks like 5-10 years from now. If Mike Bidwill can continue to lead this franchise the way he has over the past 5-7 years, and if he can keep a guy like Keim and his team in place for a long, sustained period of time, I'm pretty confident that UoP will one day be able to be compared to Lambeau, Mile High or Gillette Stadium.

agreed. in a game where the entire team played lights out, the crowd should have been a goat for this one.

how is the Valley not going completely nuts over this team and filling up near every damn seat in the stadium with our own? Come on Phoenicians... get your is together!

See above... It's wasn't nearly as bad as it might appear.

 

[Chopper0080]

On another note...Palmer is playing lights out this year. He had the awful INT, but was throwing dimes on almost everything else. This might be the best QB play I have seen in Cardinal red outside of Warner's playoff run when we went to the Super Bowl.

 

[Buckybird]

On another note...Palmer is playing lights out this year. He had the awful INT, but was throwing dimes on almost everything else. This might be the best QB play I have seen in Cardinal red outside of Warner's playoff run when we went to the Super Bowl.

Might be?

 

[TJ]

Honorable hero mention: Patrick Peterson.

Only targeted against twice. No receptions. Covered Torrey Smith, a speedster type who people believe is a bad matchup for PP21. Made him non-existent.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Honorable hero mention: Patrick Peterson.

Only targeted against twice. No receptions. Covered Torrey Smith, a speedster type who people believe is a bad matchup for PP21. Made him non-existent.

Definitely! Was gonna mention this as well. For all the attacks PP has taken from the fanbase over the past 2 seasons, he has been LIGHTS OUT thus far this year!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Honorable hero mention: Patrick Peterson.

Only targeted against twice. No receptions. Covered Torrey Smith, a speedster type who people believe is a bad matchup for PP21. Made him non-existent.

he's definitely backed up his off-season talk so far. never even hearing his name speaks volumes about the job he's doing blanketing whoever he's guarding. stoked to see him stuff crow down my mouth.

 

[Russ Smith]

Might be?

Lomax in the 83-84 timeframe was pretty good but then he got hurt.

Palmer has been terrific though.

 

[daves]

I'm not saying we don't have a home field advantage, but the last time we were able to significantly outnumber a team with a large fan following was 2009, which was the Packers playoff game. It's as if a large majority of fans (bandwagoners?) retired with Warner.

This isn't a phenomenon you'll see at Lambeau Field, Gilette Stadium, or Mile High Field.

I think the issue is simply that for most teams, on most days, there's a certain percentage of season ticket holders who can't make it to the game. When they sell their tickets, unless they personally hand them to someone they know to be a Cardinal fan, they're most likely going out to randoms on StubHub or the like, or ticket brokers who sell to anyone willing to pay the price.

In the playoffs, far fewer fans are willing to sell their tickets, hence the fact that Cardinal fans utterly dominated Packer, Eagle, and especially Falcon fans in those games. Some were there, for sure, but not a significant noise factor.

The Cardinals probably still suffer a little from being relatively new in Phoenix (certainly compared to Green Bay, New England, and Denver). Plus Phoenix is probably near the top of league cities in terms of having transplants from other major NFL cities.

I don't know how the Cardinals compare to the league average in terms of percentage of seats devoted to season tickets, but i'll bet they're at least average. And the Cardinals season ticket holders probably attend games at about a league-average rate. But the teams you use as examples for comparison have a few advantages over the Cardinals:
- There is nothing else to do in Green Bay but watch the Packers. Plus they've been very good for a very long time. They probably lead the league in percentage of season ticket holders who actually attend each game (as opposed to selling a ticket).
- The Patriots probably used to get plenty of Jets fans and perhaps Bills fans at their games, until 15 years of utter dominance made the trip a pretty miserable one.
- The Broncos are 9 hours by car from the nearest NFL city. They own by far the biggest uncontested area of the country.

Hopefully as a generation of fans grows up with the Cardinals having more good seasons than bad, the crowd will continue to improve. But look how far it's come since the Sun Devil Stadium days!

...dave

 

[Capital Card]

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I might consider giving a Goat to BA for his clock management. Yea, I know the game was just about over, but at the end of the half, we didn't leave enough time to stop the clock and kick a FG.

I love the aggressive attitude to have one more shot at a TD; but, with no Time Outs, taking that shot into the middle of the field was the wrong call.

Credit Palmer for getting the ball spiked with one second remaining. It may have been the fasted "set" I've ever seen.

Ok, my list of complaints about the game is over. On to the Rams.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I might consider giving a Goat to BA for his clock management. Yea, I know the game was just about over, but at the end of the half, we didn't leave enough time to stop the clock and kick a FG.

I love the aggressive attitude to have one more shot at a TD; but, with no Time Outs, taking that shot into the middle of the field was the wrong call.

Credit Palmer for getting the ball spiked with one second remaining. It may have been the fasted "set" I've ever seen.

Ok, my list of complaints about the game is over. On to the Rams.

On the flip side of that the play very well could have been designed for that catch to be in the endzone and it is likely that SF was expecting something outside so it could have caught them off guard.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

2 players that missed large opportunity to make a play

Okafor and Golden who both had CK in their hands and did not finish the tackle and CK got away. Can't let that happen against guys like Wilson and Big Ben