Week 5 Heroes and Goats

[kerouac9]

Didn't Deone have something like 11 tackles yesterday?

9 tackles, 2 assists, according to the score sheet. But Pat Tillman and Ronald McKinnon made a lot of tackles, too. Didn't make them above-average players.

That Deone Bucannon is blitzed as often as he is and hasn't gotten home yet is a problem.

Let's take a look at the 9 plays where Bucannon is credited in the playsheet:

1 12:37 1 10 DET 7 Ameer Abdullah left tackle for 5 yards (tackle by Tyrann Mathieu and Deone Bucannon)
1 10:41 2 1 DET 29 Matthew Stafford pass complete short middle to Ameer Abdullah for 9 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 14:47 2 10 DET 20 Matthew Stafford pass complete short left to Golden Tate for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon and Rashad Johnson)
2 12:59 2 1 DET 41 Ameer Abdullah right end for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 7:34 1 10 CRD 38 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Zach Zenner for 7 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 0:57 2 10 DET 45 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
3 11:10 2 3 CRD 45 Zach Zenner right tackle for no gain (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:50 2 7 DET 17 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Tim Wright for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:03 3 2 DET 33 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for 5 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)

On 6 of those plays, Bucannon allowed the offense to have a successful play, including 3 first downs. Your mileage for being impressed by tackles on Theo Riddick and Zach Zenner will vary.

And this doesn't count the times he didn't get home on the blitz/missed a tackle. This isn't that important against the Lions and Zach Zenner; it might be a bigger deal against Marshawn Lynch.

Or Todd Gurley.

 

[splitsecond]

9 tackles, 2 assists, according to the score sheet. But Pat Tillman and Ronald McKinnon made a lot of tackles, too. Didn't make them above-average players.

That Deone Bucannon is blitzed as often as he is and hasn't gotten home yet is a problem.

Let's take a look at the 9 plays where Bucannon is credited in the playsheet:

1 12:37 1 10 DET 7 Ameer Abdullah left tackle for 5 yards (tackle by Tyrann Mathieu and Deone Bucannon)
1 10:41 2 1 DET 29 Matthew Stafford pass complete short middle to Ameer Abdullah for 9 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 14:47 2 10 DET 20 Matthew Stafford pass complete short left to Golden Tate for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon and Rashad Johnson)
2 12:59 2 1 DET 41 Ameer Abdullah right end for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 7:34 1 10 CRD 38 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Zach Zenner for 7 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 0:57 2 10 DET 45 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
3 11:10 2 3 CRD 45 Zach Zenner right tackle for no gain (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:50 2 7 DET 17 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Tim Wright for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:03 3 2 DET 33 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for 5 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)

On 6 of those plays, Bucannon allowed the offense to have a successful play, including 3 first downs. Your mileage for being impressed by tackles on Theo Riddick and Zach Zenner will vary.

And this doesn't count the times he didn't get home on the blitz/missed a tackle. This isn't that important against the Lions and Zach Zenner; it might be a bigger deal against Marshawn Lynch.

Or Todd Gurley.

I should probably stop looking at stats through the eyes of IDP fantay football, because those numbers are pretty bad. You would think he was coming up from the safety position to make those tackles when others missed by the numbers there.

 

[DeAnna]

Does that stat sheet tell you how many of those would've gone for big plays if Deon had not tackled them?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I should probably stop looking at stats through the eyes of IDP fantay football, because those numbers are pretty bad. You would think he was coming up from the safety position to make those tackles when others missed by the numbers there.

Most of those successful plays were pass plays. Therefore the players were already 4-8 yards down the field when the catch was made. It would be different if a lot of those tackles were coming on 5-8 yard run plays, but only one of those were. Also on those pass plays how many times was he covering the player that he tackled? Ultimately it is hard to call a game with 11 tackles to include 2 for a loss and 1 for no gain a bad game.

 

[crisper57]

Most of those successful plays were pass plays. Therefore the players were already 4-8 yards down the field when the catch was made. It would be different if a lot of those tackles were coming on 5-8 yard run plays, but only one of those were. Also on those pass plays how many times was he covering the player that he tackled? Ultimately it is hard to call a game with 11 tackles to include 2 for a loss and 1 for no gain a bad game.

Yeah, even the announcers kept saying how impressed they were with the secondary's ability to tackle in the open field. Breaking up passes is one thing, not letting short completions turn into big gains is another. I'll take that kind of performance.

 

[kerouac9]

Most of those successful plays were pass plays. Therefore the players were already 4-8 yards down the field when the catch was made. It would be different if a lot of those tackles were coming on 5-8 yard run plays, but only one of those were. Also on those pass plays how many times was he covering the player that he tackled? Ultimately it is hard to call a game with 11 tackles to include 2 for a loss and 1 for no gain a bad game.

A successful play is a successful play. If Bucannon ever knocked down passes, it would be meaningful. But Bucannon has one pass defensed--for his career. And none this season.

So, he's a pretty good linebacker for a safety?

 

[kerouac9]

Does that stat sheet tell you how many of those would've gone for big plays if Deon had not tackled them?

Do you have any affirmative evidence that this linebacker was playing safety at some point during the game? This is the most empty argument ever. None of those passes were deep balls; they were all short passes.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

I will admit though, I have trouble finding goats on this game outside of Powers. Powers has been abused the past 2 weeks. The offense was on point as was the D. Not a lot of bad things really happened save our first few drives not going anywhere.

Don't have too much to complain about when we blow out the other team, but you hit the nail on the head. I'm not gonna sit here and say Powers doesn't give a great effort, in fact I see him hustling all over the field. The problem is he is always out of position, especially on the quick inside slants and then he gets burned for about 1-2 TD plays a week. The problem is his measurables - he is in position on the quick WR slants but lacks the length to disrupt any plays.

Go back and watch the tape - you can see him fully extended in many of these balls thrown directly to him, but he is about 3 arm lengths away from making a play on the ball. There were also a few instances in garbage time when either the receiver (Fuller) just dropped a sure fire TD pass or the ball was not thrown in a good spot, but Powers was always the guy about 2 steps behind his man. We really need a lankier, quicker guy opposite of P2 next year. Maybe Bethel can suddenly emerge as a #2 if we give him more reps in garbage time.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

Been saying this since game 1, that our complete lack of a pass rush will one day - soon - cause us bigtime issues.
Okafor will now miss games (we'll soon hear how many) and he wasn't performing anywhere near his level of last season.

Further compounding this issue is that BOTH Powers and Honey Badger are showing holes in their coverage capability. I can see guys like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers, Andy Dalton and even Joe Flacco ripping our secondary to shreds as they will have the time to do so.

HB slipped on the turf during thatgarbage time TD, but I agree, sometimes his over-aggressiveness will leave the rest of the secondary susceptible to a big time gain. Powers, I'm pretty disappointed in, see my post above.

It sucks that Okafor is out but his presence this year was somewhat of a mixed bag. I saw him miss alot of open field tackles and his motor has tapered off late in games. Maybe his concentration is not there. He'd be great as a #2 OLB opposite, say a 10-year younger version of Freeney. But I'll take whatever-age Freeney right now

 

[dreday]

I almost gave Arians a goat because I want him to give the ball to Chris Johnson on one of these red-zone carries. Sucks for CJ to run the ball exceptionally well from the 20 to the 10 and then get pulled before he can put it in paydirt.

Goat him. I could have used those fantasy points.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I almost gave Arians a goat because I want him to give the ball to Chris Johnson on one of these red-zone carries. Sucks for CJ to run the ball exceptionally well from the 20 to the 10 and then get pulled before he can put it in paydirt.

I thought the same thing, but I don't think it really matters too much to CJ right now. That's the great thing about guys like Johnson. We saw the same thing with Warner, and we're probably seeing it to some degree with CP too.

When a player, who used to be a super-star, hits rock bottom, and is in the last few years of their career, they lose a lot of the ego that can be hurtful to team chemistry.

CJ is an important part of the team, he's proving he can still contribute at a high level, and, we're winning. IMHO, that's all he cares about right now. At the moment, he doesn't have to be "the star".

With that said, I think its possible the more success he has, the more the old ego will start to come back.

Goal line touches might become a point of contention in 2016. Or, I guess even earlier..

 

[Finito]

A successful play is a successful play. If Bucannon ever knocked down passes, it would be meaningful. But Bucannon has one pass defensed--for his career. And none this season.

So, he's a pretty good linebacker for a safety?

He's doing what he's being asked to do.

I don't get why people have a problem with this kid

 

[Darkside]

He's doing what he's being asked to do.

I don't get why people have a problem with this kid

I'm not sure everyone does. But him playing out of position is a live game scenario that emphasizes how weak we are at LB. In the NFL, in the playoffs, and especially deep in the playoffs, those kinds of flaws get exposed. And we're not talking "they have a weakness" exposed. Those games are one and done, we're talking about some TE or slot receiver eating our lunch for 200 and 3 TDs.

I remember watching some Billichek tape awhile back, he told all his coaches to defend the slot receiver, every day for a week he told them (I think this was before Welker went to NE). It's GameDay and Welker is eating their face, Billichek is still screaming into his headset to guard him, I told you all week, he says. The next day, he wasn't irate or anything, but he said in the NFL, any weakness will be poked and prodded, and it won't seem like much at first, but eventually you'll bleed out from it. You become so consumed with stopping it that the rest of your defense collapses.

That's precisely what we're looking at with Buchanon at LB, and our lack of LB talent in general. Eventually it will be exposed. It won't be quick, but it'll be when it matters the most.

 

[TJ]

He's doing what he's being asked to do.

I don't get why people have a problem with this kid

Nobody does. K9 is being a contrarian again. IF he truly dislikes Deone, it's because he does not understand his role on the team.

Deone is a great football player and arguably one of the most versatile defenders on the roster.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Nobody does. K9 is being a contrarian again. IF he truly dislikes Deone, it's because he does not understand his role on the team.

Deone is a great football player and arguably one of the most versatile defenders on the roster.

THIS!!

 

[MrYeahBut]

Nobody does. K9 is being a contrarian again. IF he truly dislikes Deone, it's because he does not understand his role on the team.

Deone is a great football player and arguably one of the most versatile defenders on the roster.

K9 doesn't understand Bucannon's role on the team?? that's hysterical..... who'd a thunk it?

If you truly don't like K9 it's because you don't understand his role on the board...lmao

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[Darkside]

Pretty sure K9 understands everyone's role on the team. We all do.

That being said, Bettcher isn't a goat. I'm warming to this defense. It's the turnovers. All I care about from our D is do they give up 7 or 3, and do we get turnovers. Bettcher has this team ball-hawking.

The more turnovers, the less time the D is on the field, and the more opportunities for our offense, which is really how we're going to score, because we're stacked on offense.

This isn't that leaky SB defense from 08. They know when they're taking chances, it's not because they're beat or out of position.

We're flawed at LB, but that's not Bettcher's fault, he didn't build his roster, but I think he's doing a good job of getting the most from it.

 

[Big Deal]

9 tackles, 2 assists, according to the score sheet. But Pat Tillman and Ronald McKinnon made a lot of tackles, too. Didn't make them above-average players.

That Deone Bucannon is blitzed as often as he is and hasn't gotten home yet is a problem.

Let's take a look at the 9 plays where Bucannon is credited in the playsheet:

1 12:37 1 10 DET 7 Ameer Abdullah left tackle for 5 yards (tackle by Tyrann Mathieu and Deone Bucannon)
1 10:41 2 1 DET 29 Matthew Stafford pass complete short middle to Ameer Abdullah for 9 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 14:47 2 10 DET 20 Matthew Stafford pass complete short left to Golden Tate for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon and Rashad Johnson)
2 12:59 2 1 DET 41 Ameer Abdullah right end for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 7:34 1 10 CRD 38 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Zach Zenner for 7 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
2 0:57 2 10 DET 45 Matthew Stafford pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for -1 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
3 11:10 2 3 CRD 45 Zach Zenner right tackle for no gain (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:50 2 7 DET 17 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Tim Wright for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 4:03 3 2 DET 33 Dan Orlovsky pass complete short right to Theo Riddick for 5 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)

On 6 of those plays, Bucannon allowed the offense to have a successful play, including 3 first downs. Your mileage for being impressed by tackles on Theo Riddick and Zach Zenner will vary.

And this doesn't count the times he didn't get home on the blitz/missed a tackle. This isn't that important against the Lions and Zach Zenner; it might be a bigger deal against Marshawn Lynch.

Or Todd Gurley.

Those tackles back to back were textbook and demoralizing. It's a long way from week 1 when my mileage for tackles on some guy named Robinson wouldn't have gone very far.

I really felt like the game plan was to keep everything in front of them. If his job is to cover that screen can he really be that aggressive on the ball?

 

[jbeecham]

Deone Bucannon was one of the players who got a game ball from BA.

 

[TJ]

K9 doesn't understand Bucannon's role on the team?? that's hysterical..... who'd a thunk it?



If you truly don't like K9 it's because you don't understand his role on the board...lmao



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Considering that Deone has received high praise from just about everyone who watched the game, and looked very active and disruptive on defense, leads me to believe that someone who admonishes him based on flawed statistics either a) didn't watch the game or b) doesn't understand the player's role.

So, yeah. Fair assessment.

 

[Bert]

Deone Bucannon was one of the players who got a game ball from BA.

And Jaworski was raving about him and called him a "special player." But it's just BA and Jaws, what do those two guys know about football?

 

[fatosber]

I'm drunk out of my head and the last thing I wanted to do before sleeping was read through the board. Reading through this post made me question our record - are we 4-1 or 1-4?

The way I see it, Deone and the entire defensive unit have been pretty consistent; we lead the league in INT and takeaways and have amazing chemistry on defense.

As long as we are able to protect CP and allow him to make the right plays, our defense is more than capable of carrying us to the SB



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[kerouac9]

And Jaworski was raving about him and called him a "special player." But it's just BA and Jaws, what do those two guys know about football?

Jaws who just last year said that Kaepernick was the most promising QB in the NFL?

Remind me of Bucannon's special plays this season. Or this game.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Jaws who just last year said that Kaepernick was the most promising QB in the NFL?

Remind me of Bucannon's special plays this season. Or this game.

I know the format is to have 3 of each, but it is still a pretty big reach having Deone as a goat IMO. He may not be a spectacular LB, but you don't suck your way to getting a game ball from BA.

 

[CardinalMan]

One of the announcers, forgot which one remarked on how well the Cards were tackling in open space. He repeated it and added it was the best he had ever seen. We will need that against Pittsburgh.