Week 7 Heroes and Goats

[kerouac9]

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This game was way more stressful than it maybe needed to be.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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This game was way more stressful than it maybe needed to be.

okay... I'm convinced you're Floyd's cousin or something. He had a nice game, but he gets a Hero ball instead of Chris Johnson?

 

[Austin Zonie]

Honey Badger is having a great year. Fun to watch.

I received a text from a non Cards fan buddy letting me know that the price tag on Mathieu's eventual extension just went up. Makes you wonder how long we can keep this talented backfield together.

 

[ajcardfan]

Well, I gotta say you always make some choices that seem far from the obvious ones.

 

[gmabel830]

No Butler or Catman on the Goat list?

 

[kerouac9]

okay... I'm convinced you're Floyd's cousin or something. He had a nice game, but he gets a Hero ball instead of Chris Johnson?

I'm a H-U-G-E Floyd fan/apologist for reasons that are kind of mysterious to me. I'm also a huge Chris Johnson fan (and fantasy owner). I was so stoked to see him get a TD finally. But aside from the questionable call on the 62-yarder, he averaged 3.5 YPC and on the final drive had three carries for 2 yards.

 

[crisper57]

I'd swap out Cat-Man for Niklas as a goat.

And

I'd give Jefferson a spot on the hero list over Floyd. That INT was clutch!

My 2 cents...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm a H-U-G-E Floyd fan/apologist for reasons that are kind of mysterious to me. I'm also a huge Chris Johnson fan (and fantasy owner). I was so stoked to see him get a TD finally. But aside from the questionable call on the 62-yarder, he averaged 3.5 YPC and on the final drive had three carries for 2 yards.

lol... yeah, the Floyd thing is definitely one of the great mysteries about you.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agreed on Iupati, I don't know if hes' not healthy or what but he has not been nearly as good this year as he was in SF. Maybe it's the scheme or he's just not as good as he used to be.

Bethel had an interesting game the fumble, which I don't think actually was a fumble I think the knee was down first, basically won the game for us. But the blown coverage giving Givens that long catch nearly gave the game back to them or at least a possible OT.

I thought Floyd had a terrific game.

 

[jmt]

I thought Floyd had a great game. The kicking teams were certainly goats.

 

[TJ]

I'm a H-U-G-E Floyd fan/apologist for reasons that are kind of mysterious to me. I'm also a huge Chris Johnson fan (and fantasy owner). I was so stoked to see him get a TD finally. But aside from the questionable call on the 62-yarder, he averaged 3.5 YPC and on the final drive had three carries for 2 yards.

Cant take away long runs to discount a RB's YPC, just like you cant take away negative plays to increase it. The deviation is part of a RBs overall performance.

If you had a RB who had 5 YPC, and literally rushed for 5 yards on each carry, he'd be the best RB in NFL history.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cant take away long runs to discount a RB's YPC, just like you cant take away negative plays to increase it. The deviation is part of a RBs overall performance.

If you had a RB who had 5 YPC, and literally rushed for 5 yards on each carry, he'd be the best RB in NFL history.

Agreed with this. And even though the play was questionable, Johnson still made it happen and was responsible for 3 points out up in the board in that drive.

 

[kerouac9]

Cant take away long runs to discount a RB's YPC, just like you cant take away negative plays to increase it. The deviation is part of a RBs overall performance.

If you had a RB who had 5 YPC, and literally rushed for 5 yards on each carry, he'd be the best RB in NFL history.

You can if the only difference between the runs is a ref deciding to blow a whistle. I'm glad it went the Cards way, but it was a questionable call. I'm sure you weren't one of the people squealing about the Victor Cruz "giving himself up" play a few year ago.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Agreed on Iupati, I don't know if hes' not healthy or what but he has not been nearly as good this year as he was in SF. Maybe it's the scheme or he's just not as good as he used to be.

Bethel had an interesting game the fumble, which I don't think actually was a fumble I think the knee was down first, basically won the game for us. But the blown coverage giving Givens that long catch nearly gave the game back to them or at least a possible OT.

I thought Floyd had a terrific game.

Two points. I think the fumble was so close. you had to call it however the refs called it on the field.

Second, Bethel was clearly expecting over the top help. Without being in the locker room or having it explained, we will never know if the safety was late coming over, or if Bethel was supposed to follow.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You can if the only difference between the runs is a ref deciding to blow a whistle. I'm glad it went the Cards way, but it was a questionable call. I'm sure you weren't one of the people squealing about the Victor Cruz "giving himself up" play a few year ago.

Except we saw the same thing happen to us a few weeks ago where the runner's forward momentum clearly hadn't be stopped, and yet the refs blew the whistle anyway. Taking away a well earned fumble.

 

[Zeno]

It really is disappointing Deone is almost useless in pass coverage. The guy was drafted as a DB and playing out of position but you'd think he would be a little better when asked to cover someone. I don't complain much about his tackling or hitting but his lack of skill when the ball is in the air is apparent.

 

[MrYeahBut]

lol... yeah, the Floyd thing is definitely one of the great mysteries about you.

Jim Dray is gone, so there had to be someone else, right? Ha!

 

[imaCafan]

So you're not happy with an RB who is second in total yards from scrimmage this season even though he missed a game?

 

[kerouac9]

So you're not happy with an RB who is second in total yards from scrimmage this season even though he missed a game?

Where do you guys get this stuff?

I'm a H-U-G-E Floyd fan/apologist for reasons that are kind of mysterious to me. I'm also a huge Chris Johnson fan (and fantasy owner). I was so stoked to see him get a TD finally. But aside from the questionable call on the 62-yarder, he averaged 3.5 YPC and on the final drive had three carries for 2 yards.

I'm stoked that Chris Johnson is the starting back on this team — I'm surprised he's not more involved in the passing game; he seems to go out on a lot of patterns.

FWIW, I'm always a bigger fan of steady, grinding progress down the field than I am of high-variance, explosive plays. What I like most about Johnson early in the season is his ability to keep the offense on schedule with 4-yard runs on first down or 8 yard runs on 2nd and 10.

 

[bg7brd]

I think Calais Campbell deserves some mention. He was a beast.

 

[Russ Smith]

Two points. I think the fumble was so close. you had to call it however the refs called it on the field.

Second, Bethel was clearly expecting over the top help. Without being in the locker room or having it explained, we will never know if the safety was late coming over, or if Bethel was supposed to follow.

I said exactly that last night, the call on the field was wrong but because of the rule the replay has to be conclusive and it wasn't so we got the ball. Even their ref expert said it's so close they can't overturn it, I think the knee is probably down but you can't tell with the replays we have. It was a nice play by Bethel but I don't think they actually got the call right they were just right not to overturn it because the replay wasn't conclusive.

There was nobody in front of Bethel, he was on the side where Givens was, the safety was nowhere near him and based on the look on his face and the reaction of his teammates patting him on the head I think it's pretty obvious who blew the coverage. I could see him turning Givens over to the safety if there is someone in front he has to cover, and if the safety is actually there. That was so lucky the safety got there to knock Givens out of bounds.

 

[Russ Smith]

It really is disappointing Deone is almost useless in pass coverage. The guy was drafted as a DB and playing out of position but you'd think he would be a little better when asked to cover someone. I don't complain much about his tackling or hitting but his lack of skill when the ball is in the air is apparent.

That was the book on him in college too. I think K9 is on to something and Gruden too, he's not actually a S and hasn't been since we got him. He's actually a LB, I'm guessing there is some reason we continue to have him wear a S number and call him a S playing LB out of need but I am not sure he's really ever going to play S for us.

I think he's better than K9 gives him credit for, but I don't think he's a S.

 

[jbeecham]

There was nobody in front of Bethel, he was on the side where Givens was, the safety was nowhere near him and based on the look on his face and the reaction of his teammates patting him on the head I think it's pretty obvious who blew the coverage. I could see him turning Givens over to the safety if there is someone in front he has to cover, and if the safety is actually there. That was so lucky the safety got there to knock Givens out of bounds.

I think he got caught looking at the QB & expecting the quick pass & then Givens was past him. Hopefully, he'll learn from it.... Last night was the most football he's played in years. There's a good chance he's going to play every snap next week so now he should understand that he can't take a single play off.

 

[daves]

So you're not happy with an RB who is second in total yards from scrimmage this season even though he missed a game?

This is the second time i've seen someone state this. No, he didn't. Even in game 1, he had 10 carries (to Ellington's 12).

...dbs

 

[DVontel]

Did you guys know Deone is actually ranked higher on PFF than Minter so far for the season? What really surprised me is that he's even ranked higher than Minter in run-defense than Minter.

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