Welcome Aron Baynes

[SirStefan32]

It's a shame he is an idiot. I love his defense and energy. I was so high on Jackson when we drafted him, and he shows what he can do from time to time, but he just keeps doing stupid stuff on and off the court.

 

[Mainstreet]

His option for next season was picked up last offseason. We have until the end of October to pick up his 4th year option, which I remember hearing previously was the plan. I think that was right after the arrest. Of course things look worse now and they may have changed their minds but I think not picking up his 4th year option would be a mistake, in that it would hurt what little trade value he has and also if he's retained for next season then we shouldn't be in a better position should the light come on for him. Using the stretch provision on him, if necessary, would lower his cap hit to just about $2.5 million a year.

I was looking at his fourth year option. So if the Suns can sign the players they want, there is no harm waiting.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's a shame he is an idiot. I love his defense and energy. I was so high on Jackson when we drafted him, and he shows what he can do from time to time, but he just keeps doing stupid stuff on and off the court.

I hate to give up on Jackson. Maybe Monty and staff can get him settled down. I still have this fantasy he can play power forward someday on a consistent basis.

 

[SirStefan32]

I hate to give up on Jackson. Maybe Monty and staff can get him settled down. I still have this fantasy he can play power forward someday on a consistent basis.

He definitely has the skill. If he can put on a few pounds and stop doing stupid stuff, he could turn into a Green-type player who can shoot a bit better. I was very happy with Jackson after the All-Star break.

 

[Mainstreet]

He definitely has the skill. If he can put on a few pounds and stop doing stupid stuff, he could turn into a Green-type player who can shoot a bit better. I was very happy with Jackson after the All-Star break.

I'm one of those people who keep looking at what he can do as well. There were times when Oubre and Jackson smothered scorers down low playing tenacious defense. Minimally I think Jackson can become a solid role player if the Suns are willing to pay him.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns' best chance is to find someone willing to take Jackson without sending any salary back. Good luck with that one. Otherwise, they've put themselves in no-man's land: too far under the cap to have a competitive roster, but not far enough under it to get a difference maker.

In related news, Hakim Warrick is available. He's about to turn 37 and played in the G-League last season.

Totally agree. No salary back deal is what is needed.

P.S. What about Horacio Llamas? I hear he is only 45 and we could use some good will across the border.

 

[SunsTzu]

@Hoop Head

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He hasn't responded to my tweet(where I ask for additional clarification about a $0 buyout) but here you go.

I'm confident complete forfeiture of the contract is an option due to the examples give regarding John Starks trade to the Bulls that required legal arbitration but I'm not 100%.

 

[devilalum]

Totally agree. No salary back deal is what is needed.

P.S. What about Horacio Llamas? I hear he is only 45 and we could use some good will across the border.

Quit screwing around.

Why would you bring in any of those old guys when the are literally hundreds of fine upstanding college seniors that just ran out of eligibly and are willing to play for peanuts?


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[elindholm]

@Hoop Head

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I really appreciate Coon and his FAQ, but it mystifies me that he's unwilling to give a straightforward answer to this question. Is the answer $5 million or $3 million? Stop with the mumbo-jumbo about "guaranteed amounts," just give a number.

 

[JerkFace]

If Baynes really doesn’t want to be here I predict that there are a few teams out there with trade exceptions or cap space that would gladly take him. 5 million for a contributing back up center is a decent deal.

 

[1Sun]

If Baynes really doesn’t want to be here I predict that there are a few teams out there with trade exceptions or cap space that would gladly take him. 5 million for a contributing back up center is a decent deal.

Except he really is not much of a contributor. He is basically Pat Burke...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I really appreciate Coon and his FAQ, but it mystifies me that he's unwilling to give a straightforward answer to this question. Is the answer $5 million or $3 million? Stop with the mumbo-jumbo about "guaranteed amounts," just give a number.

It seems pretty clear to me that he is saying it's 3m in that scenario.

 

[elindholm]

It seems pretty clear to me that he is saying it's 3m in that scenario.

I agree that it "seems pretty clear." But if he actually said $3 million, it would be very clear. Why give a probably-maybe-clear answer when it's just as easy to be decisive?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I agree that it "seems pretty clear." But if he actually said $3 million, it would be very clear. Why give a probably-maybe-clear answer when it's just as easy to be decisive?

Okay let me rephrase. It seems completely obvious to me that he is saying 3m.

 

[SunsTzu]

I really appreciate Coon and his FAQ, but it mystifies me that he's unwilling to give a straightforward answer to this question. Is the answer $5 million or $3 million? Stop with the mumbo-jumbo about "guaranteed amounts," just give a number.

Yeah. I tried to phrase my question as to avoid any ambiguous response, but he is a lawyer and I think it just comes naturally to him and isn't intentional. What I asked is listed below, if he responds to me(assuming I did it correctly since it's my first actual attempt to use twitter) I'll post it.

"If a player and team agree to a buyout what will count against the cap, is it the original salary or the agreed upon buyout price? If it is the buyout price can it be $0?"

 

[elindholm]

Okay let me rephrase. It seems completely obvious to me that he is saying 3m.

I disagree. I think that's probably what he means, but I don't feel confident about it. And surely you'd agree that it would have been much clearer for him simply to give the number.

 

[JerkFace]

Except he really is not much of a contributor. He is basically Pat Burke...

Except for the fact that he is not. Over the past two seasons he averaged over 17 minutes a game for one of the top teams in the east. That is literally the definition of a contributing back up center.

 

[Hoop Head]

@Hoop Head

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He hasn't responded to my tweet(where I ask for additional clarification about a $0 buyout) but here you go.

I'm confident complete forfeiture of the contract is an option due to the examples give regarding John Starks trade to the Bulls that required legal arbitration but I'm not 100%.

That's actually my tweet, I'm trying to get him to clarify a little more like elindholm mentioned.

 

[1Sun]

Except for the fact that he is not. Over the past two seasons he averaged over 17 minutes a game for one of the top teams in the east. That is literally the definition of a contributing back up center.

Not if he was entirely unproductive in those 17 minutes per game.

 

[JerkFace]

Not if he was entirely unproductive in those 17 minutes per game.

If he was entirely unproductive in the 17 minutes he wouldn’t be playing 17 minutes for a playoff contender. His PER last season was over 14. That is far from unproductive. If he was your starter then you may have a point, but as a backup he is as solid as they come.

 

[1Sun]

If he was entirely unproductive in the 17 minutes he wouldn’t be playing 17 minutes for a playoff contender. His PER last season was over 14. That is far from unproductive. If he was your starter then you may have a point, but as a backup he is as solid as they come.

You know a team has fallen on hard times when fans look at a below-average PER of 14 as a positive...

Meanwhile, take a look at what Holmes's PER was, and tell me with a straight face that Baynes is an upgrade.

 

[JerkFace]

You know a team has fallen on hard times when fans look at a below-average PER of 14 as a positive...

Meanwhile, take a look at what Holmes's PER was, and tell me with a straight face that Baynes is an upgrade.

Exactly. If Holmes was on a one year 5 million dollar contract then he would be easy to trade as well. Do you think Holmes is going to sign a 1 year 5 million dollar contract this offseason?

 

[Hoop Head]

I really appreciate Coon and his FAQ, but it mystifies me that he's unwilling to give a straightforward answer to this question. Is the answer $5 million or $3 million? Stop with the mumbo-jumbo about "guaranteed amounts," just give a number.

I don't like how he redefines the guaranteed amount, which I think creates some confusion. Of course the deal can be stretched, which he states when I tried to get clarification.

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[1Sun]

Exactly. If Holmes was on a one year 5 million dollar contract then he would be easy to trade as well. Do you think Holmes is going to sign a 1 year 5 million dollar contract this offseason?

I certainly don't think it will be more than the MLE. And yes, I believe 4 years, 20 million, is a realistic contract for Holmes.

Meanwhile, you have just admitted that the team has sacrificed quality for money. That is not the way to improve a team or change its losing culture.

 

[JerkFace]

I certainly don't think it will be more than the MLE. And yes, I believe 4 years, 20 million, is a realistic contract for Holmes.

That’s not a 1 year 5 million dollar contract is it? I will say what I said at the beginning. If we want to trade Baynes we could easily do it. 1 year 5 million for a backup center is not unreasonable.