Welcome Aron Baynes

[Yuma]

You know a team has fallen on hard times when fans look at a below-average PER of 14 as a positive...

Meanwhile, take a look at what Holmes's PER was, and tell me with a straight face that Baynes is an upgrade.

I will agree with you that they are two totally different players. Holmes is an athletic high flying shot blocker! Baynes is a below the rim, solid base, space eater. The thing is, I keep reading with Baynes it's all about the practices with Ayton. The big solid centers Ayton is either intimidated, or can't figure out how to play against them. Who knows if he won't report here, but the idea is Ayton gets a bulky guy to practice against. Also, it's about us eating some salary to get that draft pick. Let's be honest. I think at the end of the day, Baynes is never supposed to be a long term piece in Phoenix.

 

[1Sun]

I will agree with you that they are two totally different players. Holmes is an athletic high flying shot blocker! Baynes is a below the rim, solid base, space eater. The thing is, I keep reading with Baynes it's all about the practices with Ayton. The big solid centers Ayton is either intimidated, or can't figure out how to play against them. Who knows if he won't report here, but the idea is Ayton gets a bulky guy to practice against. Also, it's about us eating some salary to get that draft pick. Let's be honest. I think at the end of the day, Baynes is never supposed to be a long term piece in Phoenix.

That's the problem. Outside of a back-up point guard (of which we already had two), this team is not picking up a single long-term piece this offseason. For a rebuilding team with an increasingly frustrated and impatient franchise player, that is not a good place to be.

 

[devilalum]

I will agree with you that they are two totally different players. Holmes is an athletic high flying shot blocker! Baynes is a below the rim, solid base, space eater. The thing is, I keep reading with Baynes it's all about the practices with Ayton. The big solid centers Ayton is either intimidated, or can't figure out how to play against them. Who knows if he won't report here, but the idea is Ayton gets a bulky guy to practice against. Also, it's about us eating some salary to get that draft pick. Let's be honest. I think at the end of the day, Baynes is never supposed to be a long term piece in Phoenix.

Suns didn't even want Oubre, then he was just supposed to play til the end of the season and free up cap space. Now we all want him back.

You never know.

 

[1Sun]

Suns didn't even want Oubre, then he was just supposed to play til the end of the season and free up cap space. Now we all want him back.

You never know.

The difference there is that Oubre has talent, while Baynes is basically a stiff.

And oh, by the way, it doesn't seem that the Suns want him back, with their apparent plan to give Bridges and Cam Johnson the minutes at the 3.

 

[JerkFace]

Bright Side just put up a nice article on Baynes:

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[Mainstreet]

I don't like how he redefines the guaranteed amount, which I think creates some confusion. Of course the deal can be stretched, which he states when I tried to get clarification.

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I saw where you made the comment. Did you get it answered?

We know waiving and stretching creates room.

 

[Superbone]

About time we got a big Aussie that can throw dudes around like rag dolls!

 

[Yuma]

Just saw Baynes on an Irving highlight on Sportscenter with a power dunk! Baynes made a highlight!

 

[Yuma]

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[JCSunsfan]

Aron Baynes defense. He doesn't put up a lot of stats, but these clips show something of what he brings to the team. Embiid, physically and overall skill wise, is probably the most difficult physical load to handle in the NBA right now. Baynes is a rock. I am glad to have him.

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[Mainstreet]

The Suns can use Baynes' toughness in the West going up against centers like Steven Adams and Hassan Whiteside to mention a couple.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Suns can use Baynes' toughness in the West going up against centers like Steven Adams and Hassan Whiteside to mention a couple.

He is 32 years old, but he plays a game that is dependent upon strength and aggression, not fast-twitch quickness and leaping. As long as the injury bug does not hit him, he might have 4 good years left. He is not a long-term answer for us, but probably helpful developmentally for Ayton--not so much as a mentor, but as someone who will try to kick his butt every day in practice.

If something comes up at the trade deadline, he might be desirable for a contending team.

 

[Raze]

He is 32 years old, but he plays a game that is dependent upon strength and aggression, not fast-twitch quickness and leaping. As long as the injury bug does not hit him, he might have 4 good years left. He is not a long-term answer for us, but probably helpful developmentally for Ayton--not so much as a mentor, but as someone who will try to kick his butt every day in practice.

If something comes up at the trade deadline, he might be desirable for a contending team.

... like the Celtics.

 

[Hoop Head]

He is 32 years old, but he plays a game that is dependent upon strength and aggression, not fast-twitch quickness and leaping. As long as the injury bug does not hit him, he might have 4 good years left. He is not a long-term answer for us, but probably helpful developmentally for Ayton--not so much as a mentor, but as someone who will try to kick his butt every day in practice.

If something comes up at the trade deadline, he might be desirable for a contending team.

Can't find the quote now but James Jones mentioned that as a reason he went after Baynes during the draft. He wanted him to pound on Ayton all year in practice. When he was acquired it was obvious Holmes wasn't returning but knowing Jones wanted him to defend Ayton in practice gave me hope for the future with Ayton. Jones seems very interested in his development and Baynes will help much more than Holmes could.

Baynes isn't a high milage player either, despite being 32. I don't think he'll wear down based on his style of play or role. It's just a matter of staying healthy. Whether he's healthy or not, I think he'll offer something positive as a mentor or teacher for Ayton. Providing him some insight and first hand experience of a more physical game.

 

[Mainstreet]

He is 32 years old, but he plays a game that is dependent upon strength and aggression, not fast-twitch quickness and leaping. As long as the injury bug does not hit him, he might have 4 good years left. He is not a long-term answer for us, but probably helpful developmentally for Ayton--not so much as a mentor, but as someone who will try to kick his butt every day in practice.

If something comes up at the trade deadline, he might be desirable for a contending team.

I'm hoping the Suns will be shopping for a trade to take the next step at the trade deadline. If that helps a contender, so be it. The Suns have some nice expiring contracts to work with.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm hoping the Suns will be shopping for a trade to take the next step at the trade deadline. If that helps a contender, so be it. The Suns have some nice expiring contracts to work with.

They have at least $25 million in expiring's they can move in Tyler Johnson and Aron Baynes. That much salary going out is almost enough to make a deal work for just about anyone. I looked up Kevin Love, just for an example, and he's making $28 million and that deal could go through without issue, Tyler & Baynes for Love. It's not quite enough for Blake Griffin, who is due $34 million this next season, but adding in Saric does make it work. If we got Blake then Saric would be expendable.

I think Jones knows that other than our guys developing, the only way to turn us into a contender soon is by trade. We won't land a top tier free agent until we improve quite a bit but by trade we might be able to add a top tier player and get them to resign.

 

[Yuma]

Robert Parrish played until he was 44. Bigs with play below the rim can play a long time if they train right.

During his career, Parish incorporated martial arts,[21] yoga and vegetarianism, and many believed this helped him throughout his training.[22]

 

[JCSunsfan]

Robert Parrish played until he was 44. Bigs with play below the rim can play a long time if they train right.

This is especially true if their games are based on strength and toughness. Men can get and maintain strength a long time. It’s the explosiveness that wanes.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is especially true if their games are based on strength and toughness. Men can get and maintain strength a long time. It’s the explosiveness that wanes.

It seems like players like Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson could go on forever because they were never very athletic.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It seems like players like Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson could go on forever because they were never very athletic.

Regardless of athletic or unathletic you are you still lose some of what you have over time. There will come a time where Baynes loses enough athleticism that it will be a detriment to his effectiveness, but it’s just a matter of how long. Maybe he is effective at 40 and maybe he is no longer effective in the next couple years. Just depends on the individual.

 

[Mainstreet]

Regardless of athletic or unathletic you are you still lose some of what you have over time. There will come a time where Baynes loses enough athleticism that it will be a detriment to his effectiveness, but it’s just a matter of how long. Maybe he is effective at 40 and maybe he is no longer effective in the next couple years. Just depends on the individual.

At least the Suns should not have to worry about it as he is an expiring contract. I suspect Baynes will continue to have a career as a journeyman center for a few more years. Acquiring Baynes filled a need but it was more the cost of doing business to acquire the 24th pick from the Celtics.

 

[Yuma]

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

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You're welcome.

 

[Ronin]

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You're welcome.

Now that is some music I can get jiggy with.

 

[Suns_fan69]

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You're welcome.

This is the best thing i've seen in the last 5 minutes.