Were all staring at you Michael Bidwill

[JosiahLee]

Whether it's the players or the coaches who are the issue, guess who's ultimate responsibility it is to fix it? You're looking at him in the mirror Michael.

 

[sdscard4]

You know Trump was on the phone saying nice team you got there Mikey

 

[bojack]

I won't be spending a penny on this org... merch, tickets, anything until they start showing improvement or make changes to move in the right direction. I can support a team that's losing if it's trying, but staying the course with this type of product is not going to get any financial support from me.

I'm afraid that this is new a era of suck for the Cardinals thanks to mostly SK crapping the bed on recent personnel choices and the HC hire and it will take years to recover from.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I won't be spending a penny on this org... merch, tickets, anything until they start showing improvement or make changes to move in the right direction. I can support a team that's losing if it's trying, but staying the course with this type of product is not going to get any financial support from me.

I'm afraid that this is new a era of suck for the Cardinals thanks to mostly SK crapping the bed on recent personnel choices and the HC hire and it will take years to recover from.

Michael B had a nice run on the new stadium hype

 

[Jasper]

We need an interim GM, HC, OC and DC.

I don’t know if we can fill 4 positions in a week.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Without Wilks gone, no moves with subordinate staff members will do any good, imo

 

[AZ Native]

Phoenix fans have always been bandwagoners and only support their teams if they are winning. I have lived here for 60 plus years and it has always been true. Don't break you ankle jumping of the bandwagon. Go root for the Pats or Steelers until we get better. Then come back and tell us you have always been a Cardinals' fan.

 

[ReasonableMan]

Phoenix fans have always been bandwagoners and only support their teams if they are winning. I have lived here for 60 plus years and it has always been true. Don't break you ankle jumping of the bandwagon. Go root for the Pats or Steelers until we get better. Then come back and tell us you have always been a Cardinals' fan.

Lol wat? Should we just cheer on this garbage?

 

[JosiahLee]

Phoenix fans have always been bandwagoners and only support their teams if they are winning. I have lived here for 60 plus years and it has always been true. Don't break you ankle jumping of the bandwagon. Go root for the Pats or Steelers until we get better. Then come back and tell us you have always been a Cardinals' fan.

No bandwagon fan here. I've been a season ticket holder since I turned 18 faithfully rooting for this team at Sun Devil Stadium as they fielded the likes of Josh McCown and and Emmit Smith and went 4-12.

To be honest I don't know a single person in my life who bleeds red like I do.

 

[TJ]

You guys want to root for the Cardinals, then you have to support the Bidwills. They're not firing themselves nor are they selling the team any time soon.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

You guys want to root for the Cardinals, then you have to support the Bidwills. They're not firing themselves nor are they selling the team any time soon.

But Michael B could be more hands off
Or: More hands on

Seems like there has to be a balance between Wilks and Whisenhunt

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

You guys want to root for the Cardinals, then you have to support the Bidwills. They're not firing themselves nor are they selling the team any time soon.

Can you encourage Bob Sarver to sell the Suns?

 

[GatorAZ]

MB made b2b great coaching hires before Wilks. I guess he was due for a stinker.

 

[bojack]

Phoenix fans have always been bandwagoners and only support their teams if they are winning. I have lived here for 60 plus years and it has always been true. Don't break you ankle jumping of the bandwagon. Go root for the Pats or Steelers until we get better. Then come back and tell us you have always been a Cardinals' fan.

If I read into this correctly, you equate whether or not someone is a bandwagoner us if they spend money on merch/tickets or not? If so, I guess all of those people buying up merch and box seats in the post season are the real fans then because they are spending money?

I was born here and been going to the games since when we were the Phoenix Cardinals. I've sweltered Sun Devil stadium for bad play plenty. I will keep watching and rooting for the team, but that doesn't mean I am going to reward the org for turning a team that was solid for the better part of a decade into a dumpster fire overnight. If you spent a moment to digest the point, it was I am voting my discontent with my wallet, because the Cardinals are business. They don't care how much you cheer or boo, just how much you spend. They don't care if those tickets are bought by road fans or you. They don't care if a jersey is bought to burn in effigy or wear to the game. I'm not going take money out of my pocket in put it into MB's and SK's (he's likely bonused in someway, direct or indirect on org revenue) when it is this royally screwed up. I can live with a 0-16 if we're just competitive and competent. We are 6 games in and it is a sh*tshow, not just some wrinkles that need ironed out, and there is zero sense of urgency in the actions.

I love the holier than thou folks that like to define what a "real fan" is. I haven't painted my house red, my kid isn't named Carson, I don't have already have a tattoo of Wilks on my back and I'm not giving the org my money for a defective a product. It's not enough just to be a fan, the bar is obviously set at being a cult member for some.

BTW, I'm not worried about MB selling the team, I just want him to start putting pressure and start shaking things up sooner than later. It's such a disaster right now that there is nowhere to go but up, so you might as well start throwing sh*t at the wall this season and see what sticks.

 

[JosiahLee]

MB made b2b great coaching hires before Wilks. I guess he was due for a stinker.

I don't fault him for Wilks. He said all the right things and wooed us all. I commend MB for taking a risk on an unproven coach that he had a strong conviction for. But now he must learn from that decision. I don't expect Wilks to be let go midseason but if he is brought back next year what kind of message does that send to the fans? Especially if we finish with 3 or fewer wins..

 

[Cheesebeef]

If I read into this correctly, you equate whether or not someone is a bandwagoner us if they spend money on merch/tickets or not? If so, I guess all of those people buying up merch and box seats in the post season are the real fans then because they are spending money?

I was born here and been going to the games since when we were the Phoenix Cardinals. I've sweltered Sun Devil stadium for bad play plenty. I will keep watching and rooting for the team, but that doesn't mean I am going to reward the org for turning a team that was solid for the better part of a decade into a dumpster fire overnight. If you spent a moment to digest the point, it was I am voting my discontent with my wallet, because the Cardinals are business. They don't care how much you cheer or boo, just how much you spend. They don't care if those tickets are bought by road fans or you. They don't care if a jersey is bought to burn in effigy or wear to the game. I'm not going take money out of my pocket in put it into MB's and SK's (he's likely bonused in someway, direct or indirect on org revenue) when it is this royally screwed up. I can live with a 0-16 if we're just competitive and competent. We are 6 games in and it is a sh*tshow, not just some wrinkles that need ironed out, and there is zero sense of urgency in the actions.

I love the holier than thou folks that like to define what a "real fan" is. I haven't painted my house red, my kid isn't named Carson, I don't have already have a tattoo of Wilks on my back and I'm not giving the org my money for a defective a product. It's not enough just to be a fan, the bar is obviously set at being a cult member for some.

BTW, I'm not worried about MB selling the team, I just want him to start putting pressure and start shaking things up sooner than later. It's such a disaster right now that there is nowhere to go but up, so you might as well start throwing sh*t at the wall this season and see what sticks.

dude... don't take ANYTHING someone here say seriously if they're questioning your fandom.

we're ALL on a cardinals freaking message board. we are the die hardest of die hard fans no matter what some of our fellow fans say.

 

[sdscard4]

Mikey and Keimy want to fire the whole staff guaranteed. But doing so they admit they screwed up. That's why we will keep seeing Coach Pukes

 

[JosiahLee]

dude... don't take ANYTHING someone here say seriously if they're questioning your fandom.

we're ALL on a cardinals freaking message board. we are the die hardest of die hard fans no matter what some of our fellow fans say.

lol this is so true. Of all the "Cards fans" out there there are like 12 of us still talking about the game online right now.

 

[JosiahLee]

Mikey and Keimy want to fire the whole staff guaranteed. But doing so they admit they screwed up. That's why we will keep seeing Coach Pukes

Haven't considered this yet...MB and Keim trying to save face. I get there's a tension of being patient and trusting the process vs blowing the whole thing up. I just up they decide there is conclusive evidence by the end of the year. This can't continue beyond this season.

Even if Wilks isn't fully to blame he now becomes the scape goat. How can you justify bringing him back and expecting his coach speak and rhetoric to actually be effective within the locker-room? No one is buying in to what he's selling if we go 2-14.

 

[sdscard4]

Haven't considered this yet...MB and Keim trying to save face. I get there's a tension of being patient and trusting the process vs blowing the whole thing up. I just up they decide there is conclusive evidence by the end of the year. This can't continue beyond this season.

Even if Wilks isn't fully to blame he now becomes the scape goat. How can you justify bringing him back and expecting his coach speak and rhetoric to actually be effective within the locker-room? No one is buying in to what he's selling if we go 2-14.

He lost the locker room after the Bears game

 

[Jasper]

I don’t see how we can get another win. Can Bidwill risk keeping Wilks and Keim until the end of the season? I don’t see any possible changes short of firing the staff that would help this team.

Keim and BA had a 3 year plan, streched it to 5. It has passed.

Even with a new OC our defense is still in shambles. Can’t stop the run, completely lost in zone.

Bidwill will have to eat up millions is guaranteed money.

If Bidwill really cared for Keim as a friend give him a severance package.

 

[JosiahLee]

I don’t see how we can get another win. Can Bidwill risk keeping Wilks and Keim until the end of the season? I don’t see any possible changes short of firing the staff that would help this team.

Keim and BA had a 3 year plan, streched it to 5. It has passed.

Even with a new OC our defense is still in shambles. Can’t stop the run, completely lost in zone.

Bidwill will have to eat up millions is guaranteed money.

If Bidwill really cared for Keim as a friend give him a severance package.

Although the 9ers and Raiders are our best shot at wins I can def see both those games being difficult. The 9ers offense is actually competent and they put up 30 last week with Bethard. Even the Raiders have a more efficient offense and at our pace keeping up offensively in every game is going to be a challenge.

1-15 would certainly guarantee the #1 draft pick.

 

[Jasper]

Hmm with Wilks as our coach (3 year contract). We will have the #1 pick for 2019, 2020 and 2021 drafts. After he’s gone then we can start making our run.

 

[TJ]

Can you encourage Bob Sarver to sell the Suns?

That I can’t do.

 

[AZCB34]

Hmm with Wilks as our coach (3 year contract). We will have the #1 pick for 2019, 2020 and 2021 drafts. After he’s gone then we can start making our run.

Who is making the picks?