Were all staring at you Michael Bidwill

[juza76]

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[Veer]

Can't be afraid of tough decisions. Kind of a rebuild was expected, but not being the worst team in the NFL. Especially not since we've been an 8-8 team that hasn't lost any core players. Shows you that coaches can't get close to the best out of our players. And such a lackluster effort on national TV shows that the locker room is lost. It's uncommon to fire a HC in his first season, but Bidwill should exactly do this.

You think we won't find a new HC because we get a bad rep if we fire Wilks halfway through his first season? That's laughable. NFL HC candidates should be confident that what they do translates into success and not worried about getting axed early. There are only so many HC openings. Not firing Wilks if this team keeps sucking because of a possible bad rep is just laughable.

 

[az jam]

I don't fault him for Wilks. He said all the right things and wooed us all. I commend MB for taking a risk on an unproven coach that he had a strong conviction for. But now he must learn from that decision. I don't expect Wilks to be let go midseason but if he is brought back next year what kind of message does that send to the fans? Especially if we finish with 3 or fewer wins..

Agree with you on Wilks. I like Bidwill. He wants to win. There will be a house cleaning at the end of the season for sure. Not much you can do during the season except fir McCoy and see if Leftwich has what it takes to be a decent OC.

 

[NYCARDS]

Keim has to go. He was great that first year signing players to one year deals and getting quality out of players that still had something left in the tank. His many misses on recent drafts and now this abysmal team we saw last night should solidify his departure

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Agree with the OP that Mike B is ultimately responsible for this mess. But, he's earned a large amount of goodwill, at least from me. He's still well within my good graces (as if anybody cares).

When he took over the team, it was clear that winning was a priority for him, and in order to achieve this goal, he morphed the Cardinals into a legitimate, no, successful, respectable, NFL Franchise. For that, I am forever thankful.

It's interesting to speculate on what went so terribly wrong with his recent leadership. Did he become complacent after such a long run of success? To me, that's the simplest, and most likely answer. He stopped holding guys like Keim accountable for their behavior, and they also became complacent, and have run the franchise into the ground.

Michael exorcised the demons of his Father's failures long ago. For some people, that's fulfillment enough for a lifetime.

So I guess in my humble opinion, the question now becomes, will Mike B find that fire again. Will this epic failure make him hungry, and fill him with the burning desire to put in the work that it takes to field a team that can be 13-3.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

dude... don't take ANYTHING someone here say seriously if they're questioning your fandom.

we're ALL on a cardinals freaking message board. we are the die hardest of die hard fans no matter what some of our fellow fans say.

+1.

Tell me when these "diehards" get a medal in the mail for their "fandom".

It is not the fans fault for what is going on with this organization, and calling out other fans is an example of stupidity of this nation currently.

The problem is with the people running the Cardinals, not your fellow Cardinals fan who is upset with how the organization is being run.

I mean I get it, when I was younger I had times where I thought the same way, but I have since seen how ridiculous that is. If a grown adult is done with watching poor football that brings them no joy, entertainment, or any feeling at all, is it really that surprising they will put time, and resources to other things ?

If you are a fan and you are frustrated and upset, then emote to the people who are causing the issue, not to a fan sitting next to you who is upset as you are.

That is not accomplishing anything, and just stupid.

Finally, one can say it is those who refuse to let this be acceptable are the one that care the most.

Not to mention it is football. In a year where perspective has been shoved down my throat, whether I wanted it or not, this is just football, just a game.

My loyalty to some football team is a pretty small part of what is really important. If this team is your biggest issue in life, you are blessed. If you are angry about it, again, put that blame on the people who are in charge of producing said team and product.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Phoenix fans have always been bandwagoners and only support their teams if they are winning. I have lived here for 60 plus years and it has always been true. Don't break you ankle jumping of the bandwagon. Go root for the Pats or Steelers until we get better. Then come back and tell us you have always been a Cardinals' fan.

Amazed it took this long for someone to tell fans to take a hike. But knew this trash was coming.

 

[New Mexico]

Whether it's the players or the coaches who are the issue, guess who's ultimate responsibility it is to fix it? You're looking at him in the mirror Michael.

He will fix it. You can't fire everybody in the middle of the season. You can fire McCoy now and he will, but you can't fire the HC and GM because there just isn't anybody to fill those roles right now. MB is not BB. He wants to win and he'll do what's necessary to right the ship. This season is lost, but in today's NFL, a team can go from worst to first quickly and with a VERY high draft pick, a ton of cap room, and a QBOTF already on the roster, we'll be good again sooner rather than later.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Agree with the OP that Mike B is ultimately responsible for this mess. But, he's earned a large amount of goodwill, at least from me. He's still well within my good graces (as if anybody cares).

When he took over the team, it was clear that winning was a priority for him, and in order to achieve this goal, he morphed the Cardinals into a legitimate, no, successful, respectable, NFL Franchise. For that, I am forever thankful.

It's interesting to speculate on what went so terribly wrong with his recent leadership. Did he become complacent after such a long run of success? To me, that's the simplest, and most likely answer. He stopped holding guys like Keim accountable for their behavior, and they also became complacent, and have run the franchise into the ground.

Michael exorcised the demons of his Father's failures long ago. For some people, that's fulfillment enough for a lifetime.

So I guess in my humble opinion, the question now becomes, will Mike B find that fire again. Will this epic failure make him hungry, and fill him with the burning desire to put in the work that it takes to field a team that can be 13-3.

I think Michael Bidwill wants to win. I think the man wanted to change the culture of the team. I think his intentions are good.

Yet, we all have our weak points, and I think Michael's weak points is his belief that he knows people based on a few conversations. The statement that Michael Bidwill knows when he is getting "B.S.'ed" gets thrown around a lot.

Well, I think that went to his head, and he is sure he knows how to read everyone.

Steve Wilks is a GREAT talker, he looks the part, and acts the part. Heck, I became enamored myself. I didn't think he would be a great coach, no, but I certainly thought he could make this team somewhat competitive.

Yet, actions speak louder than words, and right now the actions are screaming over Wilks' words so loud, that all that fancy talk is drowned out by this horrible product.

At some point, you have to hire the coach with a proven track record. At some point, you have to draft players from high end college programs. At some point, you have to read the trends of the NFL (how long have we been talking about the move to "college offenses" in the NFL? Three years?).

Thinking outside the box, and going against the grain....taking risks. Yes, that will give you success...........some of the time, not all the time, just some of the time.

Some of the time, thinking outside the box, going against the grain, and taking risks, has you standing outside a college dorm selling flat earth conspiracies.

 

[cardpa]

Well at least I predicted the final score right on the button.

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[JosiahLee]

Well at least I predicted the final score right on the button.

https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/f...nals-game-day-thread-10-18-2018.284943/page-8

 

[Totally_Red]

MB made b2b great coaching hires before Wilks. I guess he was due for a stinker.

This.

 

[football karma]

at the very least: Mike B wants to win, and, will act to do that.

my connections to the Cards org are pretty dated -- but I had good insight/intel during the Superbowl run years and 4/5 years that followed.

the Cards are an org that is very loyal to long time employees -- and nobody was more long time and loyal than Rod Graves. Letting him go was an incredibly difficult decision for Mike B, but he did it.

I have no doubt that if Mike B concludes Keim is part of the problem, he will make a change.

The dynamic that concerns me a bit is that when Graves was let go, Keim was there --- it was swapping out one long time guy he was familiar with / comfortable with for another.

That situation isn't the case today -- McDonough doesn't qualify (which I am okay with, as im not sure he would be any better)

 

[Totally_Red]

I don't fault him for Wilks. He said all the right things and wooed us all. I commend MB for taking a risk on an unproven coach that he had a strong conviction for. But now he must learn from that decision. I don't expect Wilks to be let go midseason but if he is brought back next year what kind of message does that send to the fans? Especially if we finish with 3 or fewer wins..

Agree. I don't blame Michael for the Steve Wilks hire. For one thing it was a very weak offseason for new head coaches. Look at what Cincy and TB did, bringing back head coaches when they realized they couldn't get their first choice or didn't like the alternatives. But going forward, he needs an offensive genius IMO. That's where the NFL is going. The successful franchises have dynamic offenses and/or HOF quarterbacks; see NE, NO, KC, etcetera. Meanwhile the Jacksonville Jaguars are coming back to earth despite a very good defense.