What About Jay Williams Ex Bull

[pokerface]

Are people getting hurt feelings over this??


Jay Williams aint worth it folks...He's just some x-factor unknown that probably would NEVER be able to keep up with the run 'n gun Suns.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I will never forgive him for missing those free throws in the NCAA tournament and costing me the company pool.

 

[Gaddabout]

Jay Williams aint worth it folks...He's just some x-factor unknown that probably would NEVER be able to keep up with the run 'n gun Suns.

Glad to have an NBA scout aboard. When was the last time you watched him work out?

 

[BIGTONY]

If I stand correct didnt bryan build this team this year boris,jones,bell,should I go on.Or bryan now in toronto doesn't know what he is doing..as we speak Bryan is bringing in Jay Williams.. TORONTO (AP) -- Jay Williams thinks he's ready to return to the NBA after sitting out three years while recovering from a motorcycle crash.

Williams, the former No. 2 NBA draft pick, is in Toronto working out for the Raptors, and likes what he sees in the young team and new general manager Bryan Colangelo.

"The thing I like about Toronto is the winning atmosphere," said Williams. "Guys want to win, guys want to be great players, and you can't say that about every franchise. They're definitely on the right path there to getting better.

"I love the style [Colangelo] brings to the team," he added. "We worked a lot pushing the ball, he wants to play that kind of fast tempo. And you've guys like Chris Bosh on your wing and Mo Pete can stretch out the defense, and [Charlie] Villanueva can shoot the ball, the possibilities are exciting."

In June 2003, Williams crashed his new motorcycle into a light pole, fracturing his pelvis, tearing knee ligaments and damaging nerves in his left leg. He hasn't played in the NBA since.

The Chicago Bulls, who drafted Williams, honored one year of his contract even though he violated a standard clause. They waived him in February of 2004 after reaching a settlement on the remaining two years. The buyout was reportedly worth about $3 million.

Jim Kelly, the Raptors' director of player personnel, said while Williams is "very fit," it remains to be seen whether he's ready to return to the NBA.

"He's pressing for that, but to be honest, we haven't seen him in a full-court game," said Kelly.

Williams insists he's good to go.

"I actually think I'm ready to play now."The article was in si.thank you..

 

[pokerface]

Glad to have an NBA scout aboard. When was the last time you watched him work out?

The burden of proof isnt on me but its on Williams supporters. I dont have to see him play. He has to prove that he can still run, cut, and log significant minutes in the NBA. Then on top of that for him to be on the Suns he'd have to be able to keep up to Suns speed....which is difficult even for a lot of already proven NBA players.


I'd rather we look elsewhere....too much to think about concerning Jay and we got too much riding on it. We're contenders and already a lot of players would want to play for the Suns. We can afford to be choosy.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'd rather we look elsewhere....too much to think about concerning Jay and we got too much riding on it. We're contenders and already a lot of players would want to play for the Suns. We can afford to be choosy.

The problem is the Suns have to afford to be choosy, because they don't have money to spend. Personally, I'd be interested in Williams if the Suns could get him at Eddie House's salary, in House's slot. Even if Williams were slowed somewhat, I think the team have to think long and hard about finding, at the very least, another legit point guard who can provide Barbosa a challenge to improve on his distribution skills.

If it's not Jay Williams (or someone like him), it's probably going to be an undrafted rookie or some borderline vet who will be given no chance to have an impact on the court. Basically guys who fill out the roster to satisfy the basic NBA rules.

 

[pokerface]

The problem is the Suns have to afford to be choosy, because they don't have money to spend. Personally, I'd be interested in Williams if the Suns could get him at Eddie House's salary, in House's slot. Even if Williams were slowed somewhat, I think the team have to think long and hard about finding, at the very least, another legit point guard who can provide Barbosa a challenge to improve on his distribution skills.

If it's not Jay Williams (or someone like him), it's probably going to be an undrafted rookie or some borderline vet who will be given no chance to have an impact on the court. Basically guys who fill out the roster to satisfy the basic NBA rules.

Any player with two healthy legs has a leg up on Jay Williams. As far as House...I'd much rather have Eddie. At least Eddie got hot here and there and could run. You know zippo about Jay...all you know is what he once was and that was a highly touted #2 pick that got demoted on his own team....and thats before he got hurt. For all we know he is a shadow of his former bust self....I dont want us to experiment right now on that gamble. I'd take House and Barbosa all week long and twice on Sundays versus a guy we dont know if can even run. Or we could use our draft picks if we wanted to gamble.

Everybody likes an underdog story but we'll be underdogs if get all gamblish. Just dont do it. Suns have far more options than Jay Williams. We have young talented players...we have tradable assets...we got picks...we got a great team that players want to be on. No way to Jay. Let him try to prove himself elsewhere...like on the Hawks or something.

 

[elindholm]

"The thing I like about Toronto is the winning atmosphere," said Williams.

Huh?

 

[sunsfn]

I just can not see the Suns being interested in Williams.

The injuries they have had in the last couple years have been a large headache, and why should they sign a guy who has not played in 2 years who may or may not be able to play, and then have to worry about him getting hurt.

 

[George O'Brien]

Can he play? Dunno.

Has he regained any of his former skills? Dunno.

Was he great his rookie year? Not really, but this was not because of lack of talent but immaturity. Is he mature now? Dunno.

Would he play for vet minumum salary? Dunno.

Is he suited to the Suns style. Dunno.

Does someone have any facts?

 

[BIGTONY]

If I stand correct didnt bryan build this team this year boris,jones,bell,should I go on.Or bryan now in toronto doesn't know what he is doing..as we speak Bryan is bringing in Jay Williams.. TORONTO (AP) -- Jay Williams thinks he's ready to return to the NBA after sitting out three years while recovering from a motorcycle crash.

Williams, the former No. 2 NBA draft pick, is in Toronto working out for the Raptors, and likes what he sees in the young team and new general manager Bryan Colangelo.

"The thing I like about Toronto is the winning atmosphere," said Williams. "Guys want to win, guys want to be great players, and you can't say that about every franchise. They're definitely on the right path there to getting better.

"I love the style [Colangelo] brings to the team," he added. "We worked a lot pushing the ball, he wants to play that kind of fast tempo. And you've guys like Chris Bosh on your wing and Mo Pete can stretch out the defense, and [Charlie] Villanueva can shoot the ball, the possibilities are exciting."

In June 2003, Williams crashed his new motorcycle into a light pole, fracturing his pelvis, tearing knee ligaments and damaging nerves in his left leg. He hasn't played in the NBA since.

The Chicago Bulls, who drafted Williams, honored one year of his contract even though he violated a standard clause. They waived him in February of 2004 after reaching a settlement on the remaining two years. The buyout was reportedly worth about $3 million.

Jim Kelly, the Raptors' director of player personnel, said while Williams is "very fit," it remains to be seen whether he's ready to return to the NBA.

"He's pressing for that, but to be honest, we haven't seen him in a full-court game," said Kelly.

Williams insists he's good to go.Heres the facts.as we speak he is going to toronto for a work out

 

[PDXChris]

all you know is what he once was and that was a highly touted #2 pick that got demoted on his own team....and thats before he got hurt.

I am no way a Jay WIlliams fan, but I am a Bulls fans. I was not a fan of the pick, but where are you getting this demoted thing. He started 60 games out of the 74 he palyed. He did not start right away when he came back from a injury and still averaged the third most minutes on the team. He was never demoted and was a bit fun to watch. He just was not a top 10 pick. I believe he can be a solid backup in the league and did help that Bulls team to 30 wins after never breaking the 21 wins after Jordan left. His biggest problem that year was preasure by missing key free throws in 2 or 3 games.

 

[Folster]

He crashed THREE years ago. I would think that injuries that have kept him from returning to the game for three years had to have severely diminished his abilities. Does anyone actually know what injuries he sustained? Hopefully, he will overcome the odds, but I just don't see it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He had a broken pelvis and knee injuries.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm dubious about his viability as an NBA player and on the Suns but if they evaluated him in a workout and got medical opinions they could make an informed decision. Maybe start by digging into the video archives and see how he played before. It could be worth the time and effort, who knows...

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm dubious about his viability as an NBA player and on the Suns but if they evaluated him in a workout and got medical opinions they could make an informed decision. Maybe start by digging into the video archives and see how he played before. It could be worth the time and effort, who knows...

Because of the nature of his injuries (he had a major nerve damaged and reattached in his hip), how he played before is moot.

He can either do it now, or he can't. If he is unwilling to come to camp on a make good contract, we need to move on to someone else. We are too close to a ring to gamble right now.

We need a quality, dependable, backup pg.

 

[Errntknght]

Because of the nature of his injuries (he had a major nerve damaged and reattached in his hip), how he played before is moot.

Not entirely - if you don't like his type of game before he was injured then you can save the time and effort of further evaluation. That was my idea when I said to start with that.

 

[pokerface]

Because of the nature of his injuries (he had a major nerve damaged and reattached in his hip), how he played before is moot.

Not entirely - if you don't like his type of game before he was injured then you can save the time and effort of further evaluation. That was my idea when I said to start with that.

I dont like his game before, after, and during his injury. Does that just about cover it?

 

[SirStefan32]

Can he play? Dunno.

Has he regained any of his former skills? Dunno.

Was he great his rookie year? Not really, but this was not because of lack of talent but immaturity. Is he mature now? Dunno.

Would he play for vet minumum salary? Dunno.

Is he suited to the Suns style. Dunno.

Does someone have any facts?

Dunno.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Can he play? Dunno.

Has he regained any of his former skills? Dunno.

Was he great his rookie year? Not really, but this was not because of lack of talent but immaturity. Is he mature now? Dunno.

Would he play for vet minumum salary? Dunno.

Is he suited to the Suns style. Dunno.

Does someone have any facts?

Pokerface does

 

[pokerface]

Get off it dude..You're the one portraying more than you know. People get all caught up in his #2 draft slot and want to run with it. He was nothing special during his rookie year and now he's messed up physically. He doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt. Let him prove himself on a lessor team. He should DESERVE to be on the Suns and have to prove himself first. We're not a dumping ground for has beens but we're an elite team that can be choosy.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Get off it dude..You're the one portraying more than you know. People get all caught up in his #2 draft slot and want to run with it. He was nothing special during his rookie year and now he's messed up physically. He doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt. Let him prove himself on a lessor team. He should DESERVE to be on the Suns and have to prove himself first. We're not a dumping ground for has beens but we're an elite team that can be choosy.

I think that you are in the minority on this one. The fact that the Suns have publically stated SEVERAL times that they are unwilling to go into the luxury tax threshold, and the fact that the Suns will be very close to it next year, the Suns are extremely limited on who they can bring in. In fact, there is rumbling that the Suns may want to trade out of their draft picks this year, so that they can get away from the guaranteed contracts that the first round picks bring.

I have asked you to come up with at least one other point guard who could possibly have the upside that Jay Williams could have, at the modest price of near the vets minimum and you have yet to supply even one name.

A LOT of people considered Tim Thomas a has been, do you think that they still think that?

 

[pokerface]

A LOT of people considered Tim Thomas a has been, do you think that they still think that?

Was Tim Thomas in a bad accident too?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Was Tim Thomas in a bad accident too?

Yet another attempt to dodge a simple question.

What other point guards should the Suns look at, that would have a better upside than Jay Williams and would cost around the veterans minimun?

 

[pokerface]

Yet another attempt to dodge a simple question.

What other point guards should the Suns look at, that would have a better upside than Jay Williams and would cost around the veterans minimun?

What are you talking about? Jay Williams upside?? hehehe Yeah his upside is tremendous considering he hasnt played ball in the last couple years...cant get much more upside than that I guess.