What appears to be a big mistake

[abomb]

By your rationale, maybe the Cardinals should never draft any player in the first round given their history;

2005 Antrel Rolle
2004 Larry Fitzgerald
2003 Bryant Johnson
Calvin Pace
2002 Wendell Bryant
2001 Leonard Davis
2000 Thomas Jones
1999 David Boston
L.J. Shelton
1998 Andre Wadsworth
1997 Tom Knight
1996 Simeon Rice
1995 No Pick -- --
1994 Jamir Miller
1993 Garrison Hearst
Ernest Dye
1992 No Pick -- --
1991 Eric Swann
1990 No Pick -- --
1989 Eric Hill
Joe Wolf
1988 Ken Harvey



A-Bomb

 

[Ryanwb]

Geeze nazaquad first you hate the stickies not you hate Leinart? Good god man why don't you just kick me in the balls and get it over with

 

[MadCardDisease]

That statistical evidence indicates we should have taken a lineman perhaps. Odds are opposed to the team.

Since 1982 the Cardinals have selected 5 Offensive Linemen and 5 Defensive Linemen in the First round. Statistically during that time the Cardinals have been one of the worst franchises in the history of sports.

So I would suggest that statistical evidense for the Cardinals indicates that we shouldn't be drafting Linemen in the first round.

 

[Goldfield]

Teams win SB's not QB's...

 

[nazaquad]

Since 1982 the Cardinals have selected 5 Offensive Linemen and 5 Defensive Linemen in the First round. Statistically during that time the Cardinals have been one of the worst franchises in the history of sports.

So I would suggest that statistical evidense for the Cardinals indicates that we shouldn't be drafting Linemen in the first round.

More tackles drafted in the first round have won SB's with the team that drafted them than have QB's. Factual.

 

[nazaquad]

Geeze nazaquad first you hate the stickies not you hate Leinart? Good god man why don't you just kick me in the balls and get it over with

Nowhere would I say bad about Leinart. He is a good player. That is all of it simply.

 

[CardLogic]

FACT: 93.75% of NFL starting QB's do not take their teams to the Super Bowl in any given year.

Why in the heck do the Cards have a starting QB? Odds are against him to take them to the Super Bowl.

 

[joeshmo]

More tackles drafted in the first round have won SB's with the team that drafted them than have QB's. Factual.

There are also double the amount of Tackles compared to QB's on a team.

There has also been more tackles taken in the first round of the draft compared to QB's as well.

Hence a much higher chance of winning a super bowl.

 

[abomb]

Geeze nazaquad first you hate the stickies not you hate Leinart? Good god man why don't you just kick me in the balls and get it over with

Ryan owes me a new monitor.

A-Bomb

 

[abomb]

FACT: 93.75% of NFL starting QB's do not take their teams to the Super Bowl in any given year.

Why in the heck do the Cards have a starting QB? Odds are against him to take them to the Super Bowl.

I concur. We shouldnt have a QB.

A-Bomb

 

[Derm]

Hey NEM,
that special school you're attending give you the day off today?

 

[joeshmo]

I concur. We shouldnt have a QB.

A-Bomb

First I cant believe I made it this far into the thread. My finger hurts from all the scrolling.

Second, QB's are so overratted.

 

[Pariah]

THERE


ARE


ONLY


FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO


WHO


ARE


THEY??????????

 

[nazaquad]

SO


WHO


ARE


THEY??????????

Sorry, thought it was given.

Aikman, Simms, McMahon, Roethlisberger, Bradshaw

 

[DKCards]

Sorry, thought it was given.

Aikman, Simms, McMahon, Roethlisberger, Bradshaw

Man. were screwed again...................... None of their last names start with L

 

[joeshmo]

27.5% of the time a 1st round QB had won a Super Bowl everytime.

 

[MastersofCombat]

Heres the best thing about it, if we win it this year it will be beacause of Kurt Warner starting the season as a starter.. SO we didnt have to worry about another hex

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It is strictly a statistical analysis. One used by insurance companies to divulge policy.

So this statistic is based on a anaylsis used by insurance companies ? Well that negates the whole thing.

I mean insurance companies are useless. They do nothing! NOTHING! Unless it is to collect a bill. I don't think I have seen an insurance company do anything more than 1. do nothing when you call them on the phone. 2. Act surprised and shocked about how badly they F'd up. 3. Take your money 4. Take your money 5. Not cover claims that they say they would cover, and always would cover 6. Take your money 7. Rip off old people using scared techniques. 8. Do the least amount of work in order to get their customers to do the work for them 9. Hire the dumbest people on earth to deal with customer service 10. Be a complete shame forced upon you by the government

No this analysis is bogus based on the fact that an NFL football team DOES something. It plays games, and competes. There is some good that comes of it.

I mean if Leinart was an out of work homeless person who sits on the street corner begging for change maybe this math would be relevant.
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No I kid. The only way we will know how good Lienart is, Is after he starts to play.

But there is always two side to every story. Maybe you are right. Maybe we should have traded the 10th pick down for 2 first round picks, and chosen a 2nd round talent WR, and a 4th round talent DE. I mean it has worked before.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

More tackles drafted in the first round have won SB's with the team that drafted them than have QB's. Factual.

Is this more insurance math ?

I am still waiting for the statistics on all the positions. Since we have nothing to compare the data you are giving us to.

I mean how many 1st round picks have the won the super bowl with their original drafting team ?

 

[HookemCards]

Sorry, thought it was given.

Aikman, Simms, McMahon, Roethlisberger, Bradshaw

Why limit it to QBs drafted in the first round. If you look at it by all rounds, 30 of the Super Bowl winning QBs one it with the team that drafted them. Sounds like a pretty good percent to me.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Exaclty correct. So the experts advise not to draft a QB in round one becasue it is too risky for the value. Exaclty the point and thank you.

OK. Then what position is the safest pick ?

You have one stat with nothing to compare it too.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The more I read this the more angry I get.

This is B.S.

Take your one stat and stop waving it in people's faces.

OK so only 12.5% percent of QB's chosen in the first round that stay with the team that has drafted them win the Superbowl.

1st question I asked: What is the percentage for the other positions ?

Then later on I read that this stat was to prove it is too risky to choose a QB in the first round. Which lead me to the second question:

What then is the safest position to pick in the first round ?

I see nothing to answer either of these questions. Thus your stats is meaningless since it is not compared to other positions. What if the percentage for WR chosen in the the 1st round that stay with the team that has drafted them win the Superbowl is only 6% ? Then this is meaningless.

It sounds pretty meaningless already. It sounds like this is someone going on a Cardinals board, and saying things to try and rain on a good parade.

Back up your "stat" (and saying "I know cause I did it" ain't backing it up) and get back to us.

 

[gamebird98]

I there going to be a test?

 

[gamebird98]

And I laugh at my dog for chasing her tail

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And I laugh at my dog for chasing her tail

Nuff said right there