What could our unconditional 2019 1st net us in trade?

[JCSunsfan]

Patience is the key. This year's rookies look great. Don't do any panic trades. Let it play out.

I don’t mind patience, I am just not sure ANY player we pick in next year’s draft will be what this team needs. Again, back to the question of this thread, what type of trade value does that pick have at this moment?

I am not asking whether we should trade it per se, but what players do you think that pick could net us?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don’t mind patience, I am just not sure ANY player we pick in next year’s draft will be what this team needs. Again, back to the question of this thread, what type of trade value does that pick have at this moment?

No idea. I don't think it's currently near its peak but that's just a guess. I can't see much reason to trade it now regardless though. But if we do move it, I suspect it will go along with Ryan Anderson and other assets for Kevin Love. Unless Portland calls it quits, then I could see us packaging it for Damian. Other than that, there really isn't much out there as far as I can tell.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No idea. I don't think it's currently near its peak but that's just a guess. I can't see much reason to trade it now regardless though. But if we do move it, I suspect it will go along with Ryan Anderson and other assets for Kevin Love. Unless Portland calls it quits, then I could see us packaging it for Damian. Other than that, there really isn't much out there as far as I can tell.

I think Love is on the decline and would be a mistake. He really needs to go to a contender to add bench depth. There is no way that pick should be included in a deal for him.

Lillard would be intriguing.

 

[Hoop Head]

I am not asking whether we should trade it per se, but what players do you think that pick could net us?

It would only bring back an overpriced player who is near the end of their prime, like Love, or a rental of sorts like Kemba. Trading your 1st round pick when you aren't a playoff team the year after you finished with the worst record in the league and are off to a 1-7 start, which is the worst record in the league currently, would be beyond stupid.

If you aren't advocating a trade be made with it then what's the point of looking at the value? If McD did a deal like that, everyone would be calling for his job immediately and rightfully so. Imagine if he did that last year after canning Watson and trading Bledsoe. He decided we had enough pieces already and should acquire a Bledsoe replacement so he'll dump our pick without protection for a stop gap PG, that would be one of the worst trades in NBA history. It happening this year, after sucking so bad last year and not addressing one of the main reasons for sucking (PG), would make it top 3 worst trades in NBA history if it didn't bring back an All-NBA talent, not just an All-Star.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I think Love is on the decline and would be a mistake. He really needs to go to a contender to add bench depth. There is no way that pick should be included in a deal for him.

Lillard would be intriguing.

I actually wouldn't mind adding Love next year after we use our cap space. Sign a max FA next summer, have one more high draft pick and then trade for Love. He'd be a nice fit in the rotation at the 4 next to Ayton.

 

[elindholm]

I actually wouldn't mind adding Love next year after we use our cap space. Sign a max FA next summer, have one more high draft pick and then trade for Love. He'd be a nice fit in the rotation at the 4 next to Ayton.

Love is owed $120 million in the four seasons 2019-23, is already 30 years old, and just had toe surgery that will sideline him for at least six weeks. No chance.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Love is on the decline and would be a mistake. He really needs to go to a contender to add bench depth. There is no way that pick should be included in a deal for him.

Lillard would be intriguing.

I feel the same. Say no to Love for the price of the top pick. Portland is playing too well to part with Lillard.

 

[Yuma]

Put me in the ballpark of I don't think our unconditional would net us a player better than we could draft with that pick. Usually these trades for a really top player Like Lillard, have to involve multiple peices. The other team wants GOOD players in return because they have a fan base, too. Who do we have besides Ayton and Booker a team would trade for, say for Lillard for example, that they would want in return? If I were Lillard's team, I am giving up 25+ points a night, I want Booker in return, and the pick. It's not worth giving up an unconditional pick for guys lower on the tier level just to fill a hole, especially if getting a lesser player won't guarantee e areturn to the playoffs. I think using the unconditional pick has to be viewed as, we are giving that up to get to the playoffs, for several years.

 

[Mainstreet]

Put me in the ballpark of I don't think our unconditional would net us a player better than we could draft with that pick. Usually these trades for a really top player Like Lillard, have to involve multiple peices. The other team wants GOOD players in return because they have a fan base, too. Who do we have besides Ayton and Booker a team would trade for, say for Lillard for example, that they would want in return? If I were Lillard's team, I am giving up 25+ points a night, I want Booker in return, and the pick. It's not worth giving up an unconditional pick for guys lower on the tier level just to fill a hole, especially if getting a lesser player won't guarantee e areturn to the playoffs. I think using the unconditional pick has to be viewed as, we are giving that up to get to the playoffs, for several years.

It's usually a star for a star as you suggest like Leonard for DeRozan.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Love is on the decline and would be a mistake. He really needs to go to a contender to add bench depth. There is no way that pick should be included in a deal for him.

Lillard would be intriguing.

I wasn't suggesting we should do it, I think it would be a really bad move for us. But to me it seems incredibly shortsighted to trade that pick now so I figure if we do it, we can expect a desperation move. Love fits that bill.

 

[Raze]

I don’t mind patience, I am just not sure ANY player we pick in next year’s draft will be what this team needs. Again, back to the question of this thread, what type of trade value does that pick have at this moment?

I am not asking whether we should trade it per se, but what players do you think that pick could net us?

I'm spit balling her, but to honor the question and presuming the other team wants to trade with us, I'd say a "back up" like Van Fleet and change.

or

A disgruntled star like Jimmy Butler (who would immediately refuse to play for us). He's toxic right now and the team is in a bind which has lowered his trade value considerably. I don't know though, maybe he's getting desperate himself and would find playing with Book and Ayton more appealing than his current options. (Again, I don't want anything to do with him, but I think the Wolves would bite for our 1st). And of course, you'd have to extend him.

 

[Yuma]

I'm spit balling her, but to honor the question and presuming the other team wants to trade with us, I'd say a "back up" like Van Fleet and change.

or

A disgruntled star like Jimmy Butler (who would immediately refuse to play for us). He's toxic right now and the team is in a bind which has lowered his trade value considerably. I don't know though, maybe he's getting desperate himself and would find playing with Book and Ayton more appealing than his current options. (Again, I don't want anything to do with him, but I think the Wolves would bite for our 1st). And of course, you'd have to extend him.

I agree. Twolves would jump all over our first. To me it's like trading for a more talented Markief Morris. Would we do that trade?

 

[Hoop Head]

I agree. Twolves would jump all over our first. To me it's like trading for a more talented Markief Morris. Would we do that trade?

I assume you mean he's like Markieff because of his attitude but as a player he's much different. He's most definitely a wing, either a SF or SG, while Kieff isn't even a true stretch PF. Markieff is just an unskilled 90's PF. I know he's got some skill but compared to the Malone's, Kemp's, Barkley's, etc he's just not above average.

 

[Yuma]

I assume you mean he's like Markieff because of his attitude but as a player he's much different. He's most definitely a wing, either a SF or SG, while Kieff isn't even a true stretch PF. Markieff is just an unskilled 90's PF. I know he's got some skill but compared to the Malone's, Kemp's, Barkley's, etc he's just not above average.

You are right. I was just talking attitude, and he is more skilled than Markieff. Just trying not to be literal, but put that trade in more fo a Suns perspective. I have the feeling even if we extend Butler, ir would end the same as Markieff.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Love is owed $120 million in the four seasons 2019-23, is already 30 years old, and just had toe surgery that will sideline him for at least six weeks. No chance.

We'd be over the cap at that point anyway, so his salary wouldn't matter. Cavs would be willing to give him away, so that's why I'd be interested.

I definitely wouldn't give up any assets for him, but I think we could trade liabilities and come out ahead.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Memphis is looking pretty bleak. They might be interested in moving Mike Conley. He is a solid pg and should have 4 or 5 years left. His deal is $30 million per for the next three years, but if we could send Anderson, maybe Bender and Melton, we would really only be eating up about $10 million of our cap space next summer (unless we stretch Andersons deal). We would have to send some sort of pick or picks to get them to do this. Anyway, just trying to think a bit creatively here.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Memphis is looking pretty bleak. They might be interested in moving Mike Conley. He is a solid pg and should have 4 or 5 years left. His deal is $30 million per for the next three years, but if we could send Anderson, maybe Bender and Melton, we would really only be eating up about $10 million of our cap space next summer (unless we stretch Andersons deal). We would have to send some sort of pick or picks to get them to do this. Anyway, just trying to think a bit creatively here.

I'm not sure why they would dump him for nothing, but yeah he would be a good addition. His value doesn't match his salary, but at this point we have to accept that we're going to have to overpay.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm not sure why they would dump him for nothing, but yeah he would be a good addition. His value doesn't match his salary, but at this point we have to accept that we're going to have to overpay.

They need to blow it up. If they can get a decent young player and a pick while moving his salary, they probably should do it.

 

[Bada0Bing]

They need to blow it up. If they can get a decent young player and a pick while moving his salary, they probably should do it.

But who is the decent young player and pick? I didn't see either in your post and I probably wouldn't offer either in a package for Conley.

 

[Bada0Bing]

They need to blow it up. If they can get a decent young player and a pick while moving his salary, they probably should do it.

I just reread your post. Sorry.

 

[Yuma]

I am thinking this season is basically over as far as playoffs are concerned. Let's play Okobo, Melton, Ayton, Bridges, etc. We need to see if JJ has more Toronto type games in him. TJ can he keep his three point shooting up? We would have to get a Lillard, Durant, etc., to give us a shot at the playoffs at this point. A VanFleet, etc., ain't gonna do it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am thinking this season is basically over as far as playoffs are concerned. Let's play Okobo, Melton, Ayton, Bridges, etc. We need to see if JJ has more Toronto type games in him. TJ can he keep his three point shooting up? We would have to get a Lillard, Durant, etc., to give us a shot at the playoffs at this point. A VanFleet, etc., ain't gonna do it.

I agree with all this except the bolded part. I never thought we had any chance at playoffs this season.

 

[Yuma]

I agree with all this except the bolded part. I never thought we had any chance at playoffs this season.

I was thinking that, too. The only way I thought we stood a chance is if Igor caught lightning in a jar like D'Antoni did with 7 seconds or less.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I thought we had only a very remote chance at the playoffs. We just need to get better. We need to be playing like a playoff team by the time the year ends.

 

[SirStefan32]

To make the playoffs, it would have taken EVERYTHING going right. JJ and Bender would have needed to be actual NBA players, Booker would have needed to be healthy and a clear all-star player, Ayton would have needed to exceed every expectation (which, in all fairness, he has done), Ariza would have needed to have his best season in years, etc.