What has happened to this offense since 2015?

[NJCardFan]

We were leading the NFL in rushing in 2015- with CJ - just like Edge was reinserted as starter after cards collapsed at the end of 08 regular season. It's the run game stupid!

No run game - 20% rushing this game - (with the lead) ain't a matter of brain surgery or rocket science, BA needs kicked in the nuts by Steve Keim and Keim needs kicked in the nuts by Michael Bidwill - cause nothing is changing without pain. Pain causes results nothing else will!

The oline and palmer- hell the entire team are not in position to succeed by fundamentally flawed coaching, game plan and play calling. Might help if fitz, fans or local media would acknowledge CJ, beanie, edge contribution to team success, but they are not even mentioned in any story of 15, 09, 08 - and it pisses me off.

We can not win in the NFL without a more balanced plan and execution opening up the 3rd dimension of play action, cards keep proving this same point as naiseum. Brady has never won a SB without a bell cow back. Neither did Warner!

Cardinal up and take it like a fan!

You're a one trick pony. You latch onto one thing and you don't let go. If it's not singing the praises of Matt Leinart even after he was gone and stinking up Houston and Oakland. Now it's the running game going so far as to complain about a game from 10 years ago. I actually picture you holding a portable TV rambling on about it being 20 minutes to Wopner.

 

[cardncubfan]

O line is horrible. Sorry just horrible. Not getting a legit number 2 receiver is also a big issue. Yes Carson had a bad game but I'm not in no hurry for Stanton or Gabbert with this line or receivers . John Brown is at best a number 3 and that's him at 100%. We all knew we needed another receiver to go with Larry. Deep down we all knew it was gonna be an issue

Lol, John Brown was our best receiver Sunday.

 

[cardpa]

#1 Carson Palmer can't CONNECT on vertical plays...say what you want on everything else, Palmer has failed in the past two years in hitting those vertical throws over the CBs and in front of the S. Hitting these routes creates space for our offense to work.[/B]

#2 Mike Iupati needs help and Shipley needs help, and they are supposed to be two of our better offensive linemen. Those two being ineffective has hurt Humphries development, the interior running game, and has limited Palmer's ability to move up in the pocket which hurts the OTs.

#3 Arians has gotten away from what it is he does well which is throwing the ball. Call it poor roster construction or poor fits, but we paid a ton for a lineman who struggled with pass blocking when we was at his best. We have an undersized C who needs helpand cant set the front of the pocket which is what allows QBs to step up in the pocket. Either Arians is trying to change into a run based offense (which has failed) or they have inserted running game OL into a passing game offense (also failed).

Chopper, in your opinion can Gabbert hit those throws?

 

[sdscard4]

Lol, John Brown was our best receiver Sunday.

C'mon one game since 2015 that he has looked legit. You actually believe John Brown can be our number 2? I'm not even gonna ask if he can be number 1 cause it's insane. I once believed he could be a number 2. But I also loved Andre Roberts as a number 2

 

[kerouac9]

Chopper, in your opinion can Gabbert hit those throws?

One game, and Blaineghazi comes roaring back.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lol, John Brown was our best receiver Sunday.

Almost Antonio Brown-esque!

 

[cardpa]

One game, and Blaineghazi comes roaring back.

Over reaction K9, simply trying to find out if we have any QB on this team that can make those throws which Chopper stated is needed in order for the offense to work.

 

[Chopper0080]

Chopper, in your opinion can Gabbert hit those throws?

He hasn't shown he can over the duration of his career. The only advantage that Gabbert has over Palmer is his ability to move, but I don't believe his increased ability to do that closes the gap between him and Palmer in terms of all of the other areas of being a QB.

 

[DeAnna]

Floyd got drunk, smoke got sick, and CP lost his mojo.

LoL, that pretty much sums it up. Too much emphasis on John Brown and the long ball. Looks like they are trying to go to a quicker passing game but CP3 just doesn't look comfortable doing that.

 

[TRW]

They got old. They reached too much in the drafts and FA (again got OLDER) and have misjudged the talent they have put together IMO. BA&SK have tried to be mad alchemists and make a potion to return to 2015. It doesn't seem to be working too well.

Plus, I think BA got a bit full of himself, got sick last year and keeps trying to prove his "system" works with whatever personnel he has (no matter how incapable it is of doing so). A bit "Whiz-esque" in that respect I think. Plus, he threw a novice DC into the mix and continues to praise a coach who has abundantly proven he CAN'T (Amos).

All of that and this team is facing a crossroads. Tear it down and rebuild or continue this way in perpetuity. I don't know what the answer is but it seems that huge cracks, chasms in the talent/performance have appeared. They have GOT to get a bona fide QBOF somehow, someway and, I know that is not an easy task, most teams in the league are in the same boat.

Not throwing in the towel yet but I am real close. My personal feeling is that after game 3 we will see EXACTLY who the 2017 Cards are.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Usually what is termed a 'complex' offense works only when all the facets of the offense are filled accordingly. Sort of like a Ferrari, one little thing off and it does not run. With this in mind, I ask what is missing now which was not and I believe Floyd was a huge reason. Alcoholism sapped his performance and now we do not have him at all. His skill set gave the Cards an extra dimension which was a tipping point for all the other possibilities which makes an Arians' offense excel, hence we need an added big WR to make this engine run by not only catching but blocking too. People talk about how unselfish Fitz is at blocking and Floyd was too when his head was in the game. Arians runs all these bunch formations which require the WRs to be physical. Having Smoke and JJ on the field at the same time in close proximity to each other is a wasted use of personal unless we intend to go deep every play because all our quick passing plays place an emphasis on the run after the catch... we need another big boy in there in my opinion

 

[THESMEL]

You're a one trick pony. You latch onto one thing and you don't let go. If it's not singing the praises of Matt Leinart even after he was gone and stinking up Houston and Oakland. Now it's the running game going so far as to complain about a game from 10 years ago. I actually picture you holding a portable TV rambling on about it being 20 minutes to Wopner.

Yep pretty much - everything that sucks - starts and ends with that stupid play calling, fundamentally flawed game plan and it is on a BA

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yep pretty much - everything that sucks - starts and ends with that stupid play calling, fundamentally flawed game plan and it is on a BA

Thesmel, did your observe our run blocking... did you notice Iupati, and the reason why this offense now needs to use the pass to set up the run unless Boone gets us back to normality because I sincerely think Chris Johnson still can run and that will reveal itself sooner than later

 

[THESMEL]

Thesmel, did your observe our running blocking... did you notice Iupati, and the reason why this offense now needs to use the pass to set up the run unless Boone gets us back to normality because I sincerely think Chris Johnson still can run and that will reveal itself sooner than later

Yes and that is bad coaching and team building imo - I mean come on man - how many excuses does an NFL team need for being addicted to the pass and allergic to the run ? For how many plays, halfs, years going on decades! What is different from 2015 13-3 best Cardinal season ever? We ran the damn ball better - period.

 

[Jetstream Green]

They got old. They reached too much in the drafts and FA (again got OLDER) and have misjudged the talent they have put together IMO. BA&SK have tried to be mad alchemists and make a potion to return to 2015. It doesn't seem to be working too well.

Plus, I think BA got a bit full of himself, got sick last year and keeps trying to prove his "system" works with whatever personnel he has (no matter how incapable it is of doing so). A bit "Whiz-esque" in that respect I think. Plus, he threw a novice DC into the mix and continues to praise a coach who has abundantly proven he CAN'T (Amos).

All of that and this team is facing a crossroads. Tear it down and rebuild or continue this way in perpetuity. I don't know what the answer is but it seems that huge cracks, chasms in the talent/performance have appeared. They have GOT to get a bona fide QBOF somehow, someway and, I know that is not an easy task, most teams in the league are in the same boat.

Not throwing in the towel yet but I am real close. My personal feeling is that after game 3 we will see EXACTLY who the 2017 Cards are.

Nope, at least game five to see who the Cardinals are

 

[THESMEL]

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/roster/Chris-Johnson/90662fe1-31a3-4aef-ab6a-fca2b862d7d9

2015: After signing with the Cardinals during training camp, led the team with 814 rushing yards on 196 carries with three TDs in 11 games (nine starts) … also had six receptions for 58 yards before suffering a knee/leg injury that ended his season … had four 100-yard games, the most by a Cardinal in a single season in 30 years … named a Pro Bowl alternate and was selected as the team’s Ed Block Courage Award recipient … rushed for 37 yards on 10 carries in his Arizona debut vs. NO (9/13) … ran for 72 yards on 20 carries @ Chi (9/20) … totaled 110 yards and two TDs on 22 carries vs. SF (9/27); also had a 40-yard reception in the third quarter to help set up a TD; marked first 100-yard game with the Cardinals and was his 16th career game with multiple rushing TDs; surpassed 11,000 career yards from scrimmage … ran for team-high 83 yards on 16 carries and added three catches for 11 yards vs. StL (10/4); last reception was the 300th of his career … led the team with 103 yards on 11 carries @ Det (10/11); had 40-yard run on team’s 99-yard TD drive in the second quarter … ran for 40 yards on 14 carries and had a five-yard reception @ Pit (10/18) … ran for a season-high 122 yards and a 26-yard TD on 18 carries vs. Bal (10/26); had season-long 62-yard run in the third quarter that led to a FG; marked 39th career 100-yard rushing game as he became first Cardinal since Edgerrin James in 2007 with three 100-yard games in a season … carried a season-high 30 times for 109 yards @ Cle (11/1); became first Cardinal since Stump Mitchell (1985) to have four 100-yard rushing games in a season and was his 40th career 100-yard game; 30 carries was the most by a Cardinal in a single game since Edgerrin James in 2006 … ran for 58 yards on 25 carries @ Sea (11/15) … had 63 yards on 18 attempts vs. Cin (11/22) ... rushed for 17 yards on 12 carries before leaving in the third quarter with an injury @ SF (11/29) … placed on injured reserve/designated to return (knee/leg) on 12/1.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Chopper, in your opinion can Gabbert hit those throws?

I'm not advocating for Gabbert at all, but, there is no way he plays worse than Carson did against the Lions. I'm looking for a bounce back tomorrow.

 

[wit3card]

I'm not advocating for Gabbert at all, but, there is no way he plays worse than Carson did against the Lions. I'm looking for a bounce back tomorrow.

I hope for a bounce back, if Carson plays another game that putrit, he should retire.

 

[TRW]

Nope, at least game five to see who the Cardinals are

OK

 

[NJCardFan]

Yep pretty much - everything that sucks - starts and ends with that stupid play calling, fundamentally flawed game plan and it is on a BA

BA can't execute the play. Nothing wrong with his play calling. This isn't the 70s anymore. Offenses today are pass oriented. You mentioned our Super Bowl and the lack of a running game. The only area I agree with you on is when we had the first and goal inside the 5 and didn't try to run it in at least once. Other than that, Pittsburgh ran the ball 13 more times than we did and had a YPC of half a yard less than we had(2.8 compared to 2.3) so it wasn't like their running the ball was in any way productive either. But as I said, this is a passing league now.

 

[THESMEL]

BA can't execute the play. Nothing wrong with his play calling. This isn't the 70s anymore. Offenses today are pass oriented. You mentioned our Super Bowl and the lack of a running game. The only area I agree with you on is when we had the first and goal inside the 5 and didn't try to run it in at least once. Other than that, Pittsburgh ran the ball 13 more times than we did and had a YPC of half a yard less than we had(2.8 compared to 2.3) so it wasn't like their running the ball was in any way productive either. But as I said, this is a passing league now.

Did you look at the card notes on CJ - I just posted from cards website? That didn't make a dent? Thread asked what's different - that's different

 

[WisconsinCard]

Did you look at the card notes on CJ - I just posted from cards website? That didn't make a dent? Thread asked what's different - that's different

That 800 yards is not impressive, only to you for some reason.

 

[Jetstream Green]

He was actually pretty damn impressive given the situation and the span of time he had accomplished those 800 yards

 

[WisconsinCard]

He was actually pretty damn impressive given the situation and the span of time he had accomplished those 800 yards

11 games?

 

[Jetstream Green]

11 games?

You know back in the day when getting 1000 yards meant something because you only played 12 games, yes he did great and this took place in what has become a passing league... yes, impressive when you take into account our OL too from my observation