What Have They Done with Steve Keim

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Clearly the Cards’ front office is being run by an imposter. This seems like a very unKeim year so far. I’ve monitored the posts about signing fragile players. Remember I’m the guy who labeled the O-line the Eggshell Line. Certainly the posters who were concerned about durability were right but so were the ones who pointed out that injury is part of the game. Additionally those writing attention needed to be paid to what type of injuries signeees had were correct. Certainly some injuries are likely to repeat, even simple ones like hamstrings. You also need to look at the recovery history of the new arrivals. It seems this years’ group has better recovery potential. More importantly Keim has started to build in depth at his most vulnerable positions. The O-line is a good example. The Cards already have more players capable of starting than they did at any point last season. I expect them to build even more depth in the draft. I’m also certain they aren’t done with free agents. More & more I see this team moving forward talent-wise. They already seem to have better balance and talent than last year. I know I’ve said it before but if this offense actually works this will be a fun year to follow the Cards.
 

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You have to believe SK will learn from past mistakes. And I agree, if KKs offense can put points on the board, our defense going back to a 3-4, and a really solid coaching staff... should equate to a much more exciting and competitive season.
 

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Clearly the Cards’ front office is being run by an imposter. This seems like a very unKeim year so far. I’ve monitored the posts about signing fragile players. Remember I’m the guy who labeled the O-line the Eggshell Line. Certainly the posters who were concerned about durability were right but so were the ones who pointed out that injury is part of the game. Additionally those writing attention needed to be paid to what type of injuries signeees had were correct. Certainly some injuries are likely to repeat, even simple ones like hamstrings. You also need to look at the recovery history of the new arrivals. It seems this years’ group has better recovery potential. More importantly Keim has started to build in depth at his most vulnerable positions. The O-line is a good example. The Cards already have more players capable of starting than they did at any point last season. I expect them to build even more depth in the draft. I’m also certain they aren’t done with free agents. More & more I see this team moving forward talent-wise. They already seem to have better balance and talent than last year. I know I’ve said it before but if this offense actually works this will be a fun year to follow the Cards.

The damn guy built us into a contender before. The NFL is ups and downs but nobody had any patience.
 

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Will an “upgrade” to Murray be worth more than upgrading 3 positions by trading down?
 

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Mahomes had a WAR (Wins above Replacement) of +8 last year.

Murray can be at least +4 IMO. Combine that with a 3-4 defense and an ability to call successful plays could see us in the 8 to 10 range if all goes perfectly for us.
 

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Dennis Green wasn't the GM, for one. Keim was in the front office and part of drafting them, for two. But Dockett was just leaving around that time.


Keim was not in the front office when Denny was here. I think he was one of the lead scouts. Rod Graves was GM but he pretty much let Denny run the draft and get his guys. Graves was never a strong GM. During his tenure here, the Head Coaches were very influential in the draft as Graves never watched film. He was Bill Bidwill's guy making sure that the Cards didn't spend too much money.
 

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Mahomes had a WAR (Wins above Replacement) of +8 last year.

Murray can be at least +4 IMO. Combine that with a 3-4 defense and an ability to call successful plays could see us in the 8 to 10 range if all goes perfectly for us.

+4 from the second rated QB in this draft is a good argument for drafting Haskins.
 

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Murray can be at least +4 IMO. Combine that with a 3-4 defense and an ability to call successful plays could see us in the 8 to 10 range if all goes perfectly for us.

If Lamar Jackson can go 6-1 with a strong defense (Ravens), there is no reason to think that model wouldn't work/be better with Murray and KK.

I am not advocating it...just saying that is the reason its intriguing.
 

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If Lamar Jackson can go 6-1 with a strong defense (Ravens), there is no reason to think that model wouldn't work/be better with Murray and KK.

I am not advocating it...just saying that is the reason its intriguing.

The KK's offence, adapted to the NFL by Clements, can also be effectively managed by a QB with the advantage of a year in the trenches.
 

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The KK's offence, adapted to the NFL by Clements, can also be effectively managed by a QB with the advantage of a year in the trenches.

Could be true but not my argument and not the same as the Lamar Jackson comparison.
 

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Keim was not in the front office when Denny was here. I think he was one of the lead scouts. Rod Graves was GM but he pretty much let Denny run the draft and get his guys. Graves was never a strong GM. During his tenure here, the Head Coaches were very influential in the draft as Graves never watched film. He was Bill Bidwill's guy making sure that the Cards didn't spend too much money.
"Director of Player Personnel" is not just a lead scout. And I love your headcanon about how things apparently went down with Graves as GM, but it's nonsense.

Graves had one of the longest tenures at the top of an NFL team when he was let go, he didn't just yield everything to Green and the head coaches.
 

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Mahomes had a WAR (Wins above Replacement) of +8 last year.

Murray can be at least +4 IMO. Combine that with a 3-4 defense and an ability to call successful plays could see us in the 8 to 10 range if all goes perfectly for us.
I really wish I understood war. So if somebody else was playing qb for the Chiefs they would have won 8 less games. No joke. I really don’t understand how that stat is figured.
 

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"Director of Player Personnel" is not just a lead scout. And I love your headcanon about how things apparently went down with Graves as GM, but it's nonsense.

Graves had one of the longest tenures at the top of an NFL team when he was let go, he didn't just yield everything to Green and the head coaches.


Keim originally joined the Arizona Cardinals in May 1999 as a college scout in the east. He was promoted to Director of College Scouting in 2006 and later to Director of Player Personnel in 2008. In May 2012, Keim was promoted to Vice President of Player Personnel before being named General Manager on January 8, 2013.[2]

Denny Green was fired after the 2006 season. Denny made the key decisions on drafting during his tenure. I know that as a fact. He had a personal relationship with Fitz and his fatter when he was coach of the Vikings and drafted him at @ #3 in 2004. Rod Graves let Denny call the shots on the drafts. Keim was well respected but had no draft responsibility at that time as he working way up the management ladder. We disagree about the effectiveness of Graves as you are positive while I'm negative.
 
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I really wish I understood war. So if somebody else was playing qb for the Chiefs they would have won 8 less games. No joke. I really don’t understand how that stat is figured.

Ditto, assuming equal footing, every team can go 8-8 before you show the impact of WAR. That would mean a max of 8, or theoretical max of 16, if the coaching and all other players had a maximum negative of -8.

This sounds like a BS measure. I don’t think you can get a min/max of greater than -4/4 for WAR in football over a 16 game season, and a 4 is basically a HOF player, almost assuredly a QB as well given the number of touches, besides being nearly impossible to attain ( close to asymptotic).

Alex Smith led Chiefs finished 10-6, Mahomes finished 12-4. Same coach. I don’t see how a WAR of almost 8 is even statistically feasible, but makes good ink for PFF.
 

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Ditto, assuming equal footing, every team can go 8-8 before you show the impact of WAR. That would mean a max of 8, or theoretical max of 16, if the coaching and all other players had a maximum negative of -8.

This sounds like a BS measure. I don’t think you can get a min/max of greater than -4/4 for WAR in football over a 16 game season, and a 4 is basically a HOF player, almost assuredly a QB as well given the number of touches, besides being nearly impossible to attain ( close to asymptotic).

Alex Smith led Chiefs finished 10-6, Mahomes finished 12-4. Same coach. I don’t see how a WAR of almost 8 is even statistically feasible, but makes good ink for PFF.
Thank you! I would think that would be a “war” of 2 for MaHomes.
 

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Keim originally joined the Arizona Cardinals in May 1999 as a college scout in the east. He was promoted to Director of College Scouting in 2006 and later to Director of Player Personnel in 2008. In May 2012, Keim was promoted to Vice President of Player Personnel before being named General Manager on January 8, 2013.[2]

Denny Green was fired after the 2006 season. Denny made the key decisions on drafting during his tenure. I know that as a fact. He had a personal relationship with Fitz and his fatter when he was coach of the Vikings and drafted him at @ #3 in 2004. Rod Graves let Denny call the shots on the drafts. Keim was well respected but had no draft responsibility at that time as he working way up the management ladder. We disagree about the effectiveness of Graves as you are positive while I'm negative.

I don't think Graves was "effective," but Keim's still part of the front office as a director one way or the other. Please show me "as a fact" where Dennis Green was given 100% personnel control over this organization, because all articles show that the last time he had that with a team was with the Vikings.
 

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