What if Cards release Anderson??

[NashDishesDimes]

Im sitting here at my computer late at night debating whether to watch some night time videos or read more about this rediculous quarterback problem and i think i may have figured this out!

We all know that the second issue at the quarterback position is can the cardinals keep four QBs. Even though its been talked about recently, i cant see them releasing lienart after all these years. I cant see them releasing skelton as they were high on the guy and blew a 5th rounder on him. I cant really see them releasing max hall either because of what hes shown so far.

What if the reason Whiz threw DA in as a starter was to figure out what he really has in him because he may have to release him? In my eyes its either DA or Hall that gets cut and i wouldnt blame him if hed rather keep hall.

This would explain why whiz made the decision and hes not telling anyone why the decision was made to start DA. Whiz cant tell lienart or DA that DA is playing for a roster spot i dont think.

Personally, i just dont think whiz expected to see as much as he has from max hall, i think he figured he would have lienart at 1, DA 2, and skelton 3. Then he realized hall cant be let go...

Watchya think yall? is this possible?

 

[nashman]

We can only HOPE!

 

[WarnerHOF]

The only QB who will be released is Leinart. Sorry Leinart fans but Coach Whiz is definately not letting either Skelton or Hall go.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Im sitting here at my computer late at night debating whether to watch some night time videos or read more about this rediculous quarterback problem and i think i may have figured this out!

We all know that the second issue at the quarterback position is can the cardinals keep four QBs. Even though its been talked about recently, i cant see them releasing lienart after all these years. I cant see them releasing skelton as they were high on the guy and blew a 5th rounder on him. I cant really see them releasing max hall either because of what hes shown so far.

What if the reason Whiz threw DA in as a starter was to figure out what he really has in him because he may have to release him? In my eyes its either DA or Hall that gets cut and i wouldnt blame him if hed rather keep hall.

This would explain why whiz made the decision and hes not telling anyone why the decision was made to start DA. Whiz cant tell lienart or DA that DA is playing for a roster spot i dont think.

Watchya think yall? is this possible?

The idea has been tossed around here a few times but it's a long shot, IMO. I think it's possible but it seems to me that Whiz would have handled it a bit differently if this were the case. Unless he also wanted to check Matt's ability to handle adversity it would have made a lot more sense to inform Leinart so this move didn't come across to him as a demotion.

Steve

 

[NashDishesDimes]

The only QB who will be released is Leinart. Sorry Leinart fans but Coach Whiz is definately not letting either Skelton or Hall go.

Its possible but explain to me how that would make any sense? they waited 4 years to release him? Lienarts played well, and has shown in the past he has the potential. The guy has thrown for over 400yrds in the past. what loser QB does that? nobody.

If Lienart did get released then what? Lienart goes to seattle with Carrol? he would be starter on another team.

Bank the entire franchise on DA after see mostly garbage from him in preseason and practice? And back him up with a couple rookie QBs?

Possible if Whiz really all of the sudden hates lienart it would just be wierd. The whole city would come down on him...

 

[mrbyte]

Sorry I think if anyone goes it will be ML.
I think your right that Whiz wanted to see what he had in DA but with Matt due $14,000,000 next year its obvious he wont be here and I think with the play of Skelton and Hall, matt unfortunately is the expendable one.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Sorry I think if anyone goes it will be ML.
I think your right that Whiz wanted to see what he had in DA but with Matt due $14,000,000 next year its obvious he wont be here and I think with the play of Skelton and Hall, matt unfortunately is the expendable one.

Put it this way, if Whiz releases ML and DA doesnt work out, ML goes somewhere else and rips it up then Whiz is done coaching in this league forever. Cards fans would run him out of town and the NFL...

and if ML starts this year and doesnt live up to 14 mil then his contract would be restructured and extended..

 

[AzStevenCal]

Its possible but explain to me how that would make any sense? they waited 4 years to release him?

They didn't wait 4 years to release him. They gave him 4 years to show what he could do and now, perhaps, they've decided to go a different direction.

Lienarts played well, and has shown in the past he has the potential.

Leinart has also played poorly at times. And this preseason the first team offense has struggled when he's been under center. It may not be all his fault but in the end, it's the QB that gets held accountable for moving the chains and scoring the ball. In that regard, he's been nothing but a failure this offseason.

The guy has thrown for over 400yrds in the past. what loser QB does that? nobody.

Take a look at this list: Tommy Maddox, Kelly Holcomb, Billy Volek, Joey Harrington, Tim Rattay, Jon Kitna, Charlie Batch, Jeff George, Glenn Foley, Tom Ramsey, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, Brian Griese, Chris Weinke and Tony Banks. That's just a sampling of QB's that have thrown for 400 yards in the past. There's more than a few on that list that fit the description of "loser QB".

Bank the entire franchise on DA after see mostly garbage from him in preseason and practice? And back him up with a couple rookie QBs?

It's definitely not ideal. I don't think any of us view Derek as the perfect answer to our QB question.

Possible if Whiz really all of the sudden hates lienart it would just be wierd. The whole city would come down on him...

I think it's understandable to question why Whiz is putting Derek ahead of Matt. I find it absurd though to assume it must be personal. This isn't high school. The coach is a professional and his job and his reputation are often on the line for just this kind of decision. Sometimes, they have to make tough calls.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Put it this way, if Whiz releases ML and DA doesnt work out, ML goes somewhere else and rips it up then Whiz is done coaching in this league forever. Cards fans would run him out of town and the NFL...

and if ML starts this year and doesnt live up to 14 mil then his contract would be restructured and extended..

I wouldn't run the coach out of town. I think it's quite possible that Matt will go on to a decent, if not spectatular career elsewhere in the right kind of system (a true West Coast offense for example). I also think it's quite possible that Derek will fall flat on his face this year and the team will miss the playoffs by a couple of games. But neither of those mean that we would have had a good year this season if Matt had remained the starter.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

They didn't wait 4 years to release him. They gave him 4 years to show what he could do and now, perhaps, they've decided to go a different direction.



Leinart has also played poorly at times. And this preseason the first team offense has struggled when he's been under center. It may not be all his fault but in the end, it's the QB that gets held accountable for moving the chains and scoring the ball. In that regard, he's been nothing but a failure this offseason.



Take a look at this list: Tommy Maddox, Kelly Holcomb, Billy Volek, Joey Harrington, Tim Rattay, Jon Kitna, Charlie Batch, Jeff George, Glenn Foley, Tom Ramsey, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, Brian Griese, Chris Weinke and Tony Banks. That's just a sampling of QB's that have thrown for 400 yards in the past. There's more than a few on that list that fit the description of "loser QB".



It's definitely not ideal. I don't think any of us view Derek as the perfect answer to our QB question.



I think it's understandable to question why Whiz is putting Derek ahead of Matt. I find it absurd though to assume it must be personal. This isn't high school. The coach is a professional and his job and his reputation are often on the line for just this kind of decision. Sometimes, they have to make tough calls.

Steve

Well said. But if your going to tell me that it wouldnt be odd if lienart was released then i call BS.

I think atleast 70% of people would want to see DA walk over ML as theres been polls in here

I think the coaches safer decision would be releasing DA over ML by far

I dont think the coach is going to bank his reputation on DA succeeding and lienart failing elsewhere if ML was released

I dont think he would ride the season banking on DA and 2 rooks

Whether you like DA or not nobody can confidently say that this guy is anything different from who he was in clevland, its not like hes had an icredible preseason..

Personally, i still think both ML and DA will be kept but it seems lately DA is the only one whos not thrown in to the fire of possibly being released. I think its a possibility is all im saying

 

[mrbyte]

Put it this way, if Whiz releases ML and DA doesnt work out, ML goes somewhere else and rips it up then Whiz is done coaching in this league forever. Cards fans would run him out of town and the NFL...

and if ML starts this year and doesnt live up to 14 mil then his contract would be restructured and extended..

I see what you are saying but I think the organisation is treading water for a season, and just is looking to get by. next year we will be looking to Hall or Skelton to fight with DA for the start and move back into contention.

obviously I could be wrong, in which case put this post down to my bad head ache and forget it...

 

[Dayman]

Leinart's done here. I hope you're right and DA is the one to go, but everything over the past couple weeks has pointed in the opposite direction. I think it's time we accept the inevitable. Derek Anderson will be our starting QB this year, and there's a good chance he'll be the only QB on the roster with NFL experience. It could be a rough season.

 

[cardpa]

What keeps knawing at me is how little ML has played in the pre-season compared to DA. I can't help but keep feeling that ths whole senario has been playing out since before training camp even started.

How one goes from an named starter to trade/release possibilities in 4 weeks is simply amazing.

The team went after several QBs leading up to training camp. I tend to believe that whomever they ended up bringing in was going to surplant ML as the starter before training camp was over. In this case it just happens to be DA.

I never thought ML was that good after watching some of his games in college and questioned how good he would be in the NFL. The powerful run game at USC made him look better than he is.

Regardless I think he is getting a raw deal here.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Im gonna treat Anderson like the cards fans in the stadium treated Shaun King. And King was twice as talented than Anderson.

Im booing him from his first snap.

 

[az240zz]

Ya know teams release 5th round picks all the time

 

[Linderbee]

Ugh. Your thread title had me all excited for a second.

 

[PDXChris]

Ugh. Your thread title had me all excited for a second.

Seriously, can it be changed?

 

[mrbyte]

Im gonna treat Anderson like the cards fans in the stadium treated Shaun King. And King was twice as talented than Anderson.

Im booing him from his first snap.

Just curious but why? what has done to deserve being booed? shouldn't you boo Whiz for the decision if you dont like it.
DA has yet to prove himself one way or the other with the Cards..I don't want him to be our starter but i can't blame him for it

 

[CaptTurbo]

Just curious but why? what has done to deserve being booed? shouldn't you boo Whiz for the decision if you dont like it.
DA has yet to prove himself one way or the other with the Cards..I don't want him to be our starter but i can't blame him for it

To be fair at the time King went in he did nothing to deserve the boos. Its the only way to let the coach know you dont like what you see on the field.

 

[mrbyte]

To be fair at the time King went in he did nothing to deserve the boos. Its the only way to let the coach know you dont like what you see on the field.

Ok, so you would be booing Whiz not DA....yet

 

[Evil Ash]

The funny thing is that you can make just of good of a case that this is all a mental game to see how Matt and/or DA react to the situation as it is that it is to who will be starting.

People don't laugh. Hear me out. This is long-winded so bear with me.

During the past week there have been things that have infered but never said that makes people think that a decision has already been made. Which may or not be the case.

For example immediately following the change many people thought that the move to DA and the following quote were signs that they were PO'ed at Leinart and that he was on his way out.

"I don't think we've performed the way we've needed to perform on offense in the preseason," Whisenhunt said after practice at Vanderbilt University. "And we're just looking at different players at different spots, trying to find a little groove. It's a great opportunity to look at combinations of different personnel."

Now to say that its a fair point and one could easily could be taken to mean that our starting QB failed and we're moving onto the next guy but what was ignored was this quote from the same article.

"I look at it situationally," Whisenhunt said. "Sometimes you are going to have a two-minute drill, sometimes you are going to have to start, sometimes you are going to have to come in (off the bench), sometimes you are going to have to come out in the second half and start. So how players handle that is important as to how things are going to unfold during the season."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...826derek-anderson-starting.html#ixzz0yC2mBq1q

This could easily be taken to mean that he wanted to see how Leinart would react to the situation. Not just of being benched but having to run the 2 minute drill where the offense is very different from a set offense where all the plays are called for you. Not just his reaction based on his play but by the leadership that he displays during that same time. You know those "intangibles" that Whiz said would be a major factor in deciding who the starting QB was.

He wanted to see ML run the 2 minute offense, he wanted to have all the QBs play for a fairly long time. He couldn't have ML run the 2 minute offense without taking away time from the other QBs if he were starting.

There were other things that were pointed out such as Whis not slapping ML on the helmet and being cheerful during/after his TD drive and his drive before the end of the half. However after re-watching the game, Whiz wasn't congratulating DA either. In fact, he only acted in that way after the blocked FG.

So what about his post game interview where he seemed so complimentary of DA and didn't really mention Leinart at all? Well that could be attributed to expectations. He knows what to expect from Leinart but he didn't know what to expect from DA. Keep in mind this is a guy that struggled a great deal last year and was the backup QB THAT THEY SETTLED FOR. There is no doubt that the Cards wanted Bulger or someone of that caliber. With those kind of low expectations looking average may get his attention more than ML being himself and doing what was expected of him (good but not spectatuclar play)

I'm not saying that things are completely different than what people are coming to the conclusion to. In fact, I don't know. None of us do. Only Whiz knows.

I'm just offering a contrarian POV to show that what we think we are seeing/concluding might not be what is actually happening based on a variety of factors. At this point nothing would surprise me

 

[Evil Ash]

Just to add to my argument

Making a decision at quarterback is about trying to find the best fit for the team, Whisenhunt said. The choice won't be made solely upon statistics but also chemistry with teammates and leadership ability.

Part of Whisenhunt's rationale for making the move was to see how Leinart reacted, both on the field and off. Leinart completed 9 of 10 passes for 84 yards against the Bears, including a touchdown to Steve Breaston.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...questions-reasons-demotion.html#ixzz0yCNntmsj

This was the article from today. Now is that the reaction that Whiz was searching for? That could be the biggest determining factors in this entire thing.

I think he(Whiz) wanted Leinart to claim leadership of this team - A "This is my (bleeping) team" type tirade.

 

[TheHopToad]

The guy has thrown for over 400yrds in the past. what loser QB does that?

Matt Leinart.

Really. Literally. They lost that game.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Matt Leinart.

Really. Literally. They lost that game.

lol. That's funny.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Matt Leinart.

Really. Literally. They lost that game.

LOL. Classic.

Steve