What if Marion holds the Suns hostage?

[Rab]

$10 bucks says that if this trade doesnt go through, we will have an offseason of:

1.) complete garbage trades in which we give up marion
2.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he destroyed our franchise
3.) NONSTOP Marion hating about how he's so selfish

and non of it will be justified. it just goes to show how much we are all fair-weather fans. we can turn on our players on a whim, and we do it all the time.

In all fairness though, a lot of fans have been starting to turn on Marion for a while now. This would just give them an excuse to turn full circle on him.

You also have to take into consideration that people are going to get excited when a player like KG is in the discussion.

I like Shawn Marion, though my opinion of him has dimmed in the last 2 years. If he stays a Suns for life, then great, but if there is a chance that we can get another player that IMO would make this team better, then it's a no-brainer Furthermore, I would hate to think that him controlling his destiny would have ANY, even if mininmal, influence on any deal that would improve this team.

Yesterday I will admit I did get caught up in the moment and pretty much said I hated the guy, but after calming down I realized the error of my ways.

 

[asudevil83]

So.. your saying when he forces his way out of phoenix, either by walking, or by forcing a completly ******** trade you won't blame him????

wow.... thats all I can say wow..... DO you have McDyess on your wall right now? What about Robert Horry?

NO....i'm saying that if KG ends up not coming to the suns, and Marion stays, then their will be so much hate on him.

everyone here is completely speculating EVERYTHING and jumping to stupid conclusions.

a.) do we know if Marion is going to opt out?
b.) do we know if he's unhappy in Phoenix?
c.) do we know if he wants to be traded?
d.) do we know if he'll force a trade elsewhere?

the answer to all those questions is NO.....and people here are treating him like garbage already. its f'ing stupid and ridiculous. and its f'ing annoying as hell.

now granted...if any of this DOES happen....feel free to hate all you want.

 

[azirish]

so In your opinion, If Marion Ok'd the deal to go to boston, the Wolves would reject a trade of the would give them Green, Wally (or Theo), KT, #5, #24, #29, 2008 ATL pick, for Garnett?

How does fillling out your team with a bunch of players from a bad team get you a championship? A cap dump is a cap dump and trading a superstar for pieces only makes sense if you plan to completely retool.

McHale is not going to do that. I think he's wrong, but there is not a single article that suggests he's prepared to go down that road.

 

[Rab]

How does fillling out your team with a bunch of players from a bad team get you a championship? A cap dump is a cap dump and trading a superstar for pieces only makes sense if you plan to completely retool.

McHale is not going to do that. I think he's wrong, but there is not a single article that suggests he's prepared to go down that road.

There are articles suggesting that trading KG will be the last move McHale makes before turing the reigns over the Hoiberg though, so hopefully he shouldn't put that much stock into getting fair value because he knows this could be it.

Pure specualtion on my part though.

 

[azirish]

There are articles suggesting that trading KG will be the last move McHale makes before turing the reigns over the Hoiberg though, so hopefully he shouldn't put that much stock into getting fair value because he knows this could be it.

Pure specualtion on my part though.

I don't see any reason to draw that conclusion. Do you want your legacy being that you destroyed the team on the way out?

 

[Rab]

I don't see any reason to draw that conclusion. Do you want your legacy being that you destroyed the team on the way out?

He's already destroyed that team numerous times over his career. Ask Minny fans their opinon on Mchale, and you're not going to get a favorable response to say the least. His rep means nothing there anymore.

The trick is to make him look like the bad guy on the way out before Hoiberg comes in to save the day.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

The three way trade with Boston only works if it turns Marion into expiring contracts and a lottery pick. But that's not what McHale wants and there is zero evidence he's interested in any variation on the cap dump scenerio.

Attacking Marion is totally unjustified. His decision has nothing to do with why KG will not become a Sun.

do you even realize how hypocritical this post is?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't see any reason to draw that conclusion. Do you want your legacy being that you destroyed the team on the way out?

are you kidding? I'm prety sure having one of the greatest players on the planet and surrounding him with enough talent to only get out of the first round once, while missing theplayoffs COMPLETELY for the last three years has already set his legacy in stone. McHale has destroyed the Garnett era - the only way to rehab thhat legacy is to trade him and help the wolves build for the future George. How you don't see any reason to draw that conclusion is beyond me.

 

[elindholm]

Stop this nonsense. The deal is NOT being halted by Marion. It's being halted by Kevin McHale.

McHale does not want to do a cap dump. IMHO, that is the only way any kind of deal could be done because no team can afford to give up enough trading pieces to do a value trade.

This is a gross distortion. Of course McHale doesn't "want" to trade Garnett at all. That's a given.

If he feels that he is forced to trade Garnett, there are two basic options:

1. Cap relief and cheap young talent (including picks).
2. An equivalent star.

#2 is completely out of the question, so #1 is the only option. If McHale believes that he must accommodate Garnett's wishes, his hand is forced. If not, then he won't trade him at all.

 

[Rab]

Legacy and McHale do not belong in the same sentence when talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves. This is the same guy who screwed the team for years with the whole Joe Smith situation, and never put a great team around KG, one of the more unique talents in the game. Even his WCF's team didn't really pose a huge threat to anyone. He's wasted much of KG's career on putting out mediocre teams and getting away with because he has a classy, loyal superstar who never whined or complained about wanting out, but still played his heart out. McHale is a joke.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

NO....i'm saying that if KG ends up not coming to the suns, and Marion stays, then their will be so much hate on him.

everyone here is completely speculating EVERYTHING and jumping to stupid conclusions.

a.) do we know if Marion is going to opt out?
b.) do we know if he's unhappy in Phoenix?
c.) do we know if he wants to be traded?
d.) do we know if he'll force a trade elsewhere?

the answer to all those questions is NO.....and people here are treating him like garbage already. its f'ing stupid and ridiculous. and its f'ing annoying as hell.

now granted...if any of this DOES happen....feel free to hate all you want.

Exactly.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I doubt there is any one thing holding up a trade for Garnett. There are a myriad of factors in trading superstars. #1 it is impossible to guage Minnesota's interest in this. As KG is their only superstar and the face of their franchise, they are likely over-valuing him.


I must be in the minority in thinking the Suns were two wins from contention. There are many ways that this team can stay in contention and Garnett is not the only one.

 

[Black Jesus]

If it was just that one comment I might agree but that's not the case. He's been going on about how he's not respected for years shamelessly promoting himself for defensive player of the year. Complaining when he doesn't get enough All Star votes, complaining when he's not on the all defensive team and its quite obvious that he hates Amare.

I love Marion the hustling, dirty worker, role player extraordinaire, All Star but I'm sick of Shawn Marion the perpetual whiner.

The irony is that if he'd ever learned how to shoot a freakin basketball others might think as highly about him as he does.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I would have been much more hateful and it would have been deleted. Marion doesn't have to accept every interview that says he is underrated. How many times a season do we have to hear that he is the most underrated player before that title goes away. It has almost become a part of his name. "The underappreciated Shawn Marion." Thats usually the context i hear his name in.

 

[Faithful]

Ah, Suns board urban legends. Again...

Marion never opened his "big mouth about playing for another team"

He was asked by a reporter "Do you feel you can be the man on another team"

His response "I never thought about that. But yeah, that would be something. I could do that."

EVERY athlete (outside of Boris Diaw) when asked if "he can be the man" is going to say yes. Being a professional athlete requires supreme confidence in your abilities.

Thank you!

 

[Cheesebeef]

bump - just getting this ready for the inevitable.