What if we sign Ginobili?

[slinslin]

Will he become our 6th man like he did in San Antonio?

Or does it put Johnson or Marion on the market for a center like Dalembert, Chandler or Ratliff?

 

[SweetD]

I think he will be a six man, but if I were him I would just resign with San Tone. Unless Phx plan is to take all the good free agents from Western Foes and make the team stronger.

 

[Gaddabout]

Will he become our 6th man like he did in San Antonio?

Or does it put Johnson or Marion on the market for a center like Dalembert, Chandler or Ratliff?

First, Ginobili is restricted, and the Spurs really want him back. The Suns would probably have to give something up to get him, because they don't have the cash (nor would they want to spend that kind of cash) to make San Antonio shy away from matching an offer.

However, if the Suns pulled a trigger on a sign-and-trade, it would probably be considered JJ insurance. I dunno, though. They are similar players, and I don't know if another streaky 2/3 coming off the bench is worth whatever the Suns would have to give up in value in return. I also wonder how they'd make that work under cap rules, because the only players of value to the Spurs on the Suns roster wouldn't have been in the league long enough to come within 15 percent of what MG would make.

 

[slinslin]

I doubt the Suns would give up Johnson who is younger and at least as good. And I am not sure the Spurs would necessarily match something over 6M$+ starting salary.

 

[Gaddabout]

I doubt the Suns would give up Johnson who is younger and at least as good. And I am not sure the Spurs would necessarily match something over 6M$+ starting salary.

If ths Suns wouldn't give up JJ for Tracy McGrady, consider him unavailable for anyone else on the planet. The Suns aren't going to offer MG $6 mil. because they desperately need to use that money to address the hole in the middle. It's why the Nash signing took the Suns out of the running for a lot of decent skill position free agents. Manu is borderline possible with a sign-and-trade. It's the only reason we're even discussing it.

 

[slinslin]

They could just say well for this season we will go with McDyess for the veteran minimum and some others.

Or they could probably move Howard Eisley with Chicago's almost sure fire lottery pick for a center in the same price range.


I think it would be a serious option to simply sign the best players available. And look for a center next offseason with the MLE and draft.

 

[SirStefan32]

If ths Suns wouldn't give up JJ for Tracy McGrady, consider him unavailable for anyone else on the planet. The Suns aren't going to offer MG $6 mil. because they desperately need to use that money to address the hole in the middle. It's why the Nash signing took the Suns out of the running for a lot of decent skill position free agents. Manu is borderline possible with a sign-and-trade. It's the only reason we're even discussing it.

You are not going to fix "the whole in the middle with $5.5 or $6M.
You fix the whole in the middle by offering JJ+ a pick or two+ another player for a big man, and sign another guard.

Stefan

P.S. The Spurs are not going to let him go.

 

[Gaddabout]

You are not going to fix "the whole in the middle with $5.5 or $6M.
You fix the whole in the middle by offering JJ+ a pick or two+ another player for a big man, and sign another guard.

I'm not disagreeing, but you and I both know the Suns management has never made such a big commitment to landing a legitimate 5. Based on previous performance, I'm guessing they will sign a warm body with their remaining FA money and maybe trade for a career backup before the end of the summer.

And as said before, if JJ wasn't available for McGrady, he's permanently unavailable for this off-season.

 

[slinslin]

What could we get in a sign and trade for Eisley, Vujanic, Chicagos pick and 3M$ cash?
Dampier? Foyle? Blount? Thomas? Ostertag? Divac?

I think they all could be options and it is not out of the realm of possibility in a sign and trade when their teams face losing them for nothing. It just depends on wether the Suns can reach an agreement with one of them.

Sign Ginboili for the maximum we have left and I still am positive that McDyess will return for cheap if he sees the future of this team and a chance to get playing time on this team.

Center/McDyess/Voshkul
Amare/Lampe
Marion/Zarko
Johnson/Ginobili/Jacobsen
Nash/Barbosa

Ginobili would be the 6th man getting numbers at the 1,2,3 basically. Dice would be the first man off the bench at the 4 and 5 or even start at the 5 against small teams.

In hindsight it was very smart to trade the #7 pick for a valueable pick such as Chicago's pick.
This gives us very good value to move Eisley in a sign and trade for a player who agrees to a contract with us giving us enough room to get an additional good FA.


Moving Eisley, Chicagos pick, Milos and 3M$ cash to a team way under the cap that will need to meet the minimum cap restriction would also be an option. Atlanta for example.

 

[coloradosun]

They could just say well for this season we will go with McDyess for the veteran minimum and some others.

Or they could probably move Howard Eisley with Chicago's almost sure fire lottery pick for a center in the same price range.


I think it would be a serious option to simply sign the best players available. And look for a center next offseason with the MLE and draft.

I am on board with 2/3 of this slinslin. I say resign McDyess and call it quits for this offseason. If McDyess gets some of his hops back, he and Amare will be pretty imposing in the middle, much more than Okur and Amare.

Eisley is going to be tough to move but I do not want to trade the Chicago pick, it might give us a chance to get Martynas next year since he might be in the top five. There is also a point guard I want in the draft next year, Jarret Jack.

Also Ratliff is a free agent next year. Let's save money for next year and see what happens.

 

[SweetD]

Barbosa will get the #2 back up time at PG and I could see JJ getting some time there as well. I we need a better back-up SG Casey just is not going to get it done. Zarko should be over his crash and the G-unit would be a nice fit to back up at 2 and 3.

 

[slinslin]

Saving capspace for next season is worthless. We need to resign Joe Johnson and we need to make sure we are over the cap rather than just 1$-4M$ under the cap.

 

[coloradosun]

Saving capspace for next season is worthless. We need to resign Joe Johnson and we need to make sure we are over the cap rather than just 1$-4M$ under the cap.

So a trade in the middle of the season with some team trying to move a player when they are more desperate than they are now does not appeal to you.

 

[Chaplin]

But when you are resigning your own free agents, the cap doesn't matter, does it?

 

[SweetD]

But when you are resigning your own free agents, the cap doesn't matter, does it?

You can go over the cap to sign your own free agents. Which is why I say we sign a center or back up SG and then sign McDyess for cheap.

 

[elindholm]

The Suns would have to renounce McDyess in order to have the cap room to sign Nash. That would make McDyess just like any other free agent -- the Suns need the room to sign him.

 

[slinslin]

I though you could always sign a player with a certain amount of seasons under his belt for the veteran minimum even if you are over the cap and don't have any exceptions.

 

[SweetD]

The Suns would have to renounce McDyess in order to have the cap room to sign Nash. That would make McDyess just like any other free agent -- the Suns need the room to sign him.

OOPS your right.

 

[elindholm]

I though you could always sign a player with a certain amount of seasons under his belt for the veteran minimum even if you are over the cap and don't have any exceptions.

Yes, right -- I mean for more than the veteran minimum.

 

[slinslin]

Ginobili was in Denver for today and according to Aldridge or espn.com he will be in Utah tomorrow. Guess they cancelled their visit with Phoenix now.

 

[NugzFan]

Will he become our 6th man like he did in San Antonio?

manu is not going to sign to come off the bench.

 

[George O'Brien]

manu is not going to sign to come off the bench.

The term "been there, done that" comes to mind. The Spurs have enough cap space to sign him, so he only leaves if he thinks he can become a star somewhere else. That's no Phoenix.

 

[NugzFan]

The term "been there, done that" comes to mind. The Spurs have enough cap space to sign him, so he only leaves if he thinks he can become a star somewhere else. That's no Phoenix.

agreed - that and get paid as much as possible. im not sure if utah, denver, phoenix, or atlanta does that. i think the fear of being matched will work so much in the spurs favor that no team even bothers giving manu a decent deal. so the spurs sit back and get manu for a nice fair price.

 

[George O'Brien]

agreed - that and get paid as much as possible. im not sure if utah, denver, phoenix, or atlanta does that. i think the fear of being matched will work so much in the spurs favor that no team even bothers giving manu a decent deal. so the spurs sit back and get manu for a nice fair price.

I think the lock only applies to the amount of the offer. Atlanta and Utah have cap space to burn.

 

[NugzFan]

I think the lock only applies to the amount of the offer. Atlanta and Utah have cap space to burn.

doesnt mean they will offer manu the max or anything close to it - in fact a SG is low on both teams priority list (hawks just got josh smith and childress, who might each play a little 2, to go along with terry and sura...utah has giricek, bell, harpring and now snyder) - those teams need size.