What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?

[conraddobler]

Ok I can understand going with King, I understand but didn't agree but I understand.

What I do not understand is benching him after a performance that was exactly like Josh's after one pick?

I can't believe Green did that.

It was a bad pick but you can't bail on a QB that soon. He wasn't doing anything special but nothing that horrible either.

I think sending Josh into that situation was just stupid. He gets 2nd team reps all week and he hasn't done much throwing downfield and then you put him in to light up his interception totals or what?

Green is officially teetering on some abyss.

I am baffled.

Just completely baffled as to what the heck he is doing. A HC that makes fun of people asking questions about his game management by responding that he is neither a loser or deseperate and then proceeds to act just like that is starting to really scare me.

I thought Josh looked good until the pick's but at that point he was just trying to make something happen and at that point in the game it was hardly something you could really judge him on. He also was getting soft coverages so to me it proved exactly nothing.

With the game almost lost in that situation you just leave King in to finish what he started that was just atrocious.

 

[az1965]

It was a bad pick but you can't bail on a QB that soon. He wasn't doing anything special but nothing that horrible either.

Are you serious? Some his throws were just absolutely horrible. Even the radio guys were saying after one throw that that is one of the worst throws that they have seen in NFL.

 

[Billy Flynt]

All Green has done is convince the team that he has no confidence in either King or McCown. I believe that Green is a very smart HC but I really can't stand how he has handled this situation. And of course his personal relationship with Fitz kept us from an unbiased evaluation of the 1st round of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, we had an outstanding first three rounds, but can anyone say that we really needed another high pick WR when we have no QB? Plus Boldin is upset about his contract as a result.

 

[Billy Flynt]

All Green has done is convince the team that he has no confidence in either King or McCown. I believe that Green is a very smart HC but I really can't stand how he has handled this situation. And of course his personal relationship with Fitz kept us from an unbiased evaluation of the 1st round of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, we had an outstanding first three rounds, but can anyone say that we really needed another high pick WR when we have no QB? Plus Boldin is upset about his contract as a result.

 

[Billy Flynt]

All Green has done is convince the team that he has no confidence in either King or McCown. I believe that Green is a very smart HC but I really can't stand how he has handled this situation. And of course his personal relationship with Fitz kept us from an unbiased evaluation of the 1st round of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, we had an outstanding first three rounds, but can anyone say that we really needed another high pick WR when we have no QB? Plus Boldin is upset about his contract as a result.

 

[conraddobler]

Are you serious? Some his throws were just absolutely horrible. Even the radio guys were saying after one throw that that is one of the worst throws that they have seen in NFL.

Yeah well I knew that, I've seen him play before.

Green saw him practice, saw him in preseason and still sat Josh for the guy.

To my mind in that situation it was just pointless to insert Josh in the game then.

 

[az1965]

Yeah well I knew that, I've seen him play before.

Green saw him practice, saw him in preseason and still sat Josh for the guy.

To my mind in that situation it was just pointless to insert Josh in the game then.

I agree. I believe Green is kind of lost in terms of how to make this offense work.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think it was because the pick was SO bad, and because the fans were so clearly booing King and calling for Josh, Green was hoping changing would change the momentum somehow.

I agree it looks bad that Josh gets 2 picks in a tough situation, but we had no chance of King rallying us at that point.

I think Green IS in danger of losing some of the guys though, you can't appear to be "guessing" as a head coach and that's what it looks like when you do what he's done recently.

 

[arthurracoon]

Are you serious? Some his throws were just absolutely horrible. Even the radio guys were saying after one throw that that is one of the worst throws that they have seen in NFL.

King sucked it up

 

[PJ1]

Yeah well I knew that, I've seen him play before.

Green saw him practice, saw him in preseason and still sat Josh for the guy.

To my mind in that situation it was just pointless to insert Josh in the game then.

I have no problem with Green putting in McCown when he did. King was awful and the pick was just the last straw as it should have been a TD pass.

Yes, Green is having difficulty getting the offense going and he is beginning to realize he doesn't have a bonafide starting NFL QB at this time. A shame but true.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Anyone who thought that last pick by King was THE WORST THROWN PASS EVER clearly wasn't at the game. Conrad - if you sawe how open Fitz was live in person and then saw the ball thrown 10 yards short, you would understand why he was benched.

I can officially say now that Shaun King - GULP - is worse than Josh. Josh gets the next two games for me to see ifwe can somehow get back ont he winning track - but once we are officially out of the playoff race, I actually want to see what Navarre can do. He3 can't be much worse than the first two guys.

Oh - that and I am officially on the draft DeAngelo Williams with WHATEVER draft pick we have in the first round - the kid is a flat out - 100% STUD.

 

[conraddobler]

King sucked it up

To me that wasn't suprising but the fact it may have suprised DG is what I am most concerned about.

Then throwing Josh in there to flounder and we almost have to start Navarre now.

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH.

 

[PJ1]

Anyone who thought that last pick by King was THE WORST THROWN PASS EVER clearly wasn't at the game. Conrad - if you sawe how open Fitz was live in person and then saw the ball thrown 10 yards short, you would understand why he was benched.

I can officially say now that Shaun King - GULP - is worse than Josh. Josh gets the next two games for me to see ifwe can somehow get back ont he winning track - but once we are officially out of the playoff race, I actually want to see what Navarre can do. He3 can't be much worse than the first two guys.

Oh - that and I am officially on the draft DeAngelo Williams with WHATEVER draft pick we have in the first round - the kid is a flat out - 100% STUD.

Agreed. It was OK to try King but he is nothing more than a backup and not a good one at that. Navarre should get a shot if giving it back to McCown doesn't work.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anyone who thought that last pick by King was THE WORST THROWN PASS EVER clearly wasn't at the game. Conrad - if you sawe how open Fitz was live in person and then saw the ball thrown 10 yards short, you would understand why he was benched.

I can officially say now that Shaun King - GULP - is worse than Josh. Josh gets the next two games for me to see ifwe can somehow get back ont he winning track - but once we are officially out of the playoff race, I actually want to see what Navarre can do. He3 can't be much worse than the first two guys.

Oh - that and I am officially on the draft DeAngelo Williams with WHATEVER draft pick we have in the first round - the kid is a flat out - 100% STUD.

There WAS a safety coming over from Fitz' right but an NFL QB has to make that throw, he tried lob the ball in when he needed to put some juice on it to get it there before the safety came over. Instead, he never got it over the LB, horrible.

josh on his first pick just threw the ball on a line hoping Quan would steal it, if you're going to throw it up, lob it and make it a jump ball.

Horrible, I can't believe how inconsistent King is throwing the ball play to play, one looks like an NFL QB, one looks like a RB on an option or something.

I'd start Josh with navarre as the #2, I've seen enough of King.

 

[az1965]

Agreed. It was OK to try King but he is nothing more than a backup and not a good one at that. Navarre should get a shot if giving it back to McCown doesn't work.

We won't see Navarre until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

McCown might have sucked this season, but King sucked harder then any Cards QB in recent memory. King sucks ass!!! Keep Josh in.

 

[conraddobler]

Anyone who thought that last pick by King was THE WORST THROWN PASS EVER clearly wasn't at the game. Conrad - if you sawe how open Fitz was live in person and then saw the ball thrown 10 yards short, you would understand why he was benched.

I can officially say now that Shaun King - GULP - is worse than Josh. Josh gets the next two games for me to see ifwe can somehow get back ont he winning track - but once we are officially out of the playoff race, I actually want to see what Navarre can do. He3 can't be much worse than the first two guys.

Oh - that and I am officially on the draft DeAngelo Williams with WHATEVER draft pick we have in the first round - the kid is a flat out - 100% STUD.

I saw the whole play on tv and that is wide open for a QB with a good arm. King dosen't qualify as you now see.

Josh threw two picks himself at garbage time. I can't honestly say his stats mean anything good or bad since at that time all you get is soft zones and if you ever dare try to throw a td pass they will be all over it.

I obviously haven't given up on Josh yet and I guess we can all agree that barring a collapse he needs to start and the only other guy we need to know about is Navarre.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What's Green to do? He put all his eggs in Mccown's basket and Josh has failed. He has to live with that.Green can't go out and play for his Qb's.I'm sure he realizes they stink and will rectify the situation next year.The scenario i would like to see is Jeff George get in there for Chicago and play well for 2 games to get the rust off and see him lining up under center for the Cards next year.

 

[RoyGreen]

There is nothing wrong with any of the decisions Green has made. The problem is simply, both quarterbacks suck, nothing more or less.

 

[conraddobler]

There is nothing wrong with any of the decisions Green has made. The problem is simply, both quarterbacks suck, nothing more or less.

I think in general most of our problems are due to a lack of either a home run threat at RB, inconsistent line play and slow WR.

Josh got benched for over valuing the ball.

To me all these things are on Green.

I am not saying he won't or can't fix it but the situation we are in is on him.

 

[CardinalChris]

All Green has done is convince the team that he has no confidence in either King or McCown. I believe that Green is a very smart HC but I really can't stand how he has handled this situation. And of course his personal relationship with Fitz kept us from an unbiased evaluation of the 1st round of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, we had an outstanding first three rounds, but can anyone say that we really needed another high pick WR when we have no QB? Plus Boldin is upset about his contract as a result.

He's also shown everybody that you perform or you don't continue to play. Nobody's safe. This team needs a little of that after years of underperforming contracts continuing to play

 

[az1965]

There is nothing wrong with any of the decisions Green has made. The problem is simply, both quarterbacks suck, nothing more or less.

Denny made a wrong decision on putting so much trust on McCown with no proven record and then signing one of the bad QB in FA to back him up.

 

[CardinalChris]

Honestly, has Josh regressed since last year? I think so..... and Denny based his choice at QB on what tape he saw from last year. I think a lot of that is the new offense, but I can say I would feel "comfortable" just basing it on the last 6 games McCown started last year. Remember the bad press McCown got as a rookie.,..... Maybe he is a slow learner in a complex offense.

 

[Buckybird]

Everyone needs to get off dennis Green. He is just trying to win games. He
has made some good decisions: our first four picks are starting and perform-
pretty well and signed Berry as a free agent. His team is not going to be complete until the new stadium is done. There are so many bad decisions
and players left over from the former regime that it will take time. Didn't
everyone bitch that Coach Mac or Tobin wouldn't make the critical decision
on Jake when he sucked. Give DG a break, at least he is trying to find out
will be here and who will not. Someone has to make the decisions and
regardless if you agree, boo or support them, DG will make them.

 

[Stout]

Tell you what, McCown came in and looked pretty damn good in the end. Throw that last pick out, as he was just trying to pull off a miracle at the end of the game. Not too shabby. The benching may have been just what the kid needed. Give him time until we're out of the hunt, then play Navarre if McCown has sucked.