What makes the Spurs the best franchise in sports, and why the Suns have no titles?

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The Yankees organization is a billion dollar empire built on the backs of the most lucrative local and regional television contracts in all of sports. No team comes even close to comparing to the money generated by that franchise, not on a local basis, not on a global basis.

The Spurs organization is a multi-million dollar franchise who has experienced a nice run of success built on the backs of two -- count them, two -- big men: David Robinson and Tim Duncan. But primarily Duncan, who is probably one of the 5 best basketball players of all time. When Duncan retires, the Spurs aren't going to be the Spurs you know and love. You're not that far removed from the Milwaukee Bucks, to be honest, who had Kareem for a short time.

And speaking of Lew Alcindor, one coin flip goes the other way, and the Suns would've had championships while they were still in diapers as a franchise. But that's just the luck of the bottom dwellers. Guess San Antonio was just a bit more lucky than Phoenix. But San Antonio the new Yankees?

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THIS ONE IS FOR YOU KOC. TIM WE DID IT.
First we knock you down with a spinning back kick and then we press charges for attempted assault and criminal mischief and tack on drunk and disorderly conduct. The hand shake would result in a more civil situation.

Well thanks for clearing up your age because only a 13 year old watching kung fu movies would throw a spin kick at a basketball game. Go play with you tim duncan action figure youngster. :biglaugh:
 

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Since he said, he'd beat me half-drunk AT A BASKETBALL GAME no less... I felt the response was sufficient.

Man...13 huh?!

If I said something like I push back and wrassle' then you'd think I was from the country right?...or if I said put up your dukes, we'll jostle using the Marquis of Queensbury rules, then you would've said I was genteel and from the UK.

But 13? WOW!!! Comprehension notwithstanding...the mind wobbles.
 
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First we knock you down with a spinning back kick and then we press charges for attempted assault and criminal mischief and tack on drunk and disorderly conduct. The hand shake would result in a more civil situation.

Spinning back kick? I used to try lame stuff like this when I was a kid taking Northern Shaolin Kung Fu until I fought someone who was a wrestler. I then got my ass KICKED and moved on to jujitsu.

Grappling is what ends fights.

Edit: Just look at who wins in UFC. Grapplers.
 

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Love both Pride and UFC. My favorite fighter currently is San Diego Local-Brandon Vera. He can strike and grapple look him up on youtube. Currently he is having contract squabbles with the UFC but once he gets that done...watch out.

The response given was for that guy who likes to spout off about inflicting bodily injury. Besides the spinning back-kick is just meant to deflect his attention for the next move.
 

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Love both Pride and UFC. My favorite fighter currently is San Diego Local-Brandon Vera. He can strike and grapple look him up on youtube. Currently he is having contract squabbles with the UFC but once he gets that done...watch out.

The response given was for that guy who likes to spout off about inflicting bodily injury. Besides the spinning back-kick is just meant to deflect his attention for the next move.

No wonder you try to talk so much ****.. You drink it provided by your G'ment.. Your just poopy all around.. Peanut head, corn kernel boy...
 

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You know there is common ground between both teams. The best player and the best shooter to ever come out of the University of Arizona became Spurs, Sean Elliott and Steve Kerr.
Now, while some of you fans have resorted to typing violence, speaking profanities and vulgarities, (not singling anyone out between F and H), the truth of the matter is if you are looking at the game, the game in the playoffs is more suited to the the style the Spurs play. As much as most of here would hate to admit it, the suns need to play tougher.
The freewheeling style looks good in the regular season, but now the suns play a team that was two fluke plays from having won 5 championships in a row. Think I'm crazy? If derek fisher's shot in '04 doesn't count, or Ginobili doesn't commit that foul against dirk in game 7 last year against the mavs, it could have gone that way.
For d'antoni to have a fit after Saturday's game means he really didn't prepare his team to be tougher. Thats funny to me because the Spurs were considered a soft team at one time. Still, it seems now that San Antonio has a mystique about them that the team can't figure out. While the suns have let the Spurs get into their heads, the Spurs have just played basketball. There is something to be said about that.
I don't know why the media calls them boring, when they have played enough run and gun with the suns and found a way to win, played just enough defense to not have the suns get a win, and have let amare stoudemire call out the refs. Some of the calls against stat are questionable for sure, but as pointed out, there can't be a conspiracy when the general fact is that people would rather watch phoenix than San Antonio.
Most suns fans aren't childish... You Spurs fans just happened to find one with too much time on his hands...
 
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dave's right. wolfpucker is just plain wrong. See my thread, I say it again. If not for two fluke plays, the Spurs could be looking at a five-peat. Okay, I am being extreme, because the suns still made it to the finals where IF amare was around, last year could've been the suns' year.
But to say the Spurs aren't one of the top sports team in the land, when every major sports outlet, even if they are loathe to admit it, is just ludicrous. Face it, the suns and their fans want what the Spurs have. Just face the music, Guilty as charged...
 

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dave's right. wolfpucker is just plain wrong. See my thread, I say it again. If not for two fluke plays, the Spurs could be looking at a five-peat. Okay, I am being extreme, because the suns still made it to the finals where IF amare was around, last year could've been the suns' year.
But to say the Spurs aren't one of the top sports team in the land, when every major sports outlet, even if they are loathe to admit it, is just ludicrous. Face it, the suns and their fans want what the Spurs have. Just face the music, Guilty as charged...
Well put.
 

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When I said the suns made it to the finals last season, I meant the western finals, but I'm sure everybody knew that. dirk would've been destroyed by amare...
 

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ESPN says the Spurs are #1.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2248555


http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0212/084.html



The Spurs, as of November of 2006, are also the 2nd most winningest franchise in NBA history after the Lakers in terms of winning percentage having past the fabled Boston Celtics.

So I refute your answer Coyotefan.
SportsNation's criteria is a joke. Championships won is worth a grand total of 5.5%, compared to the all important "stadium experience" category which is worth almost double that at 9.9%, not to mention the very ominous ownership category at 14.8%. SportsNation defines the "stadium experience" category as the "friendliness of environment and quality of game day promotions." Sorry, I had no idea that bobbleheads were more important than titles. Its also out of date, considering that it was posted back in 2005.

Riddle me this, how come the Arizona Diamondbacks are ranked second in the championships category when they have a single title which was back in 2001? That makes zero sense whatsoever, and is just one of the many ridiculous notions asserted in the "Ultimate Standings." Going back to the Championships category I absolutely love this part, "CHA (Championships): Titles already won or expected -- soon." Why in the world should "expected" titles count for anything in the first place? The only team I've ever seen hang a banner for an "almost title" was the 1994 Montreal Expos.



Since somebody asked, here are five teams which I firmly believe can and should be considered at this point better franchises in all of sports than the Spurs. Note: these are not the only teams I would place ahead of the Spurs, nor are these teams listed in any specific order. These are also not what I would consider the top five franchises in all of sports, just five that are coming to mind at the moment. Also, this one's important: in my criteria I consider all of current success, recent success, and historical success to be vital when talking about the best franchises in all of sports. In other words, a recent title or so isn't enough if the franchise hadn't done squat to that prior, nor is a bunch of championships back in the sixties going to cut it either.

New York Yankees - I can't stand the Yankees, I can't stand Steinbrenner, and I can't stand what the team has done to baseball. Nevertheless, the results speak for themselves. They are the only team in North America where second place is considered failure and it is like that for every single year in every single decade. When people think of dominance in sports, the Yankee logo is often the first thing that pops into their mind.

Detroit Pistons - Remember, I am considering three types of success: current, recent, and historic. They're by far the current best team in the east, they obviously have the recent title, and the 80s dynasty certainly counts under the historic category. Thus by my count, they're three for three.

Manchester United - You mean there are teams outside of the United States? Yes, there are. I won't give you a laundry list of their accomplishments as everybody here is capable of wiki-ing that for themselves. Manchester United summed up in one word is this: legacy. Forget about sports, the Man U crest is one of the most recognized brands on the entire planet. They are one of the few teams that transcends sports and has entire legions of supporters (and haters) in almost every portion of the globe. I won't add any more Euro soccer teams since this is a predominantly US board, but suffice to say there are more that I would put in before the Spurs if we're discussing the top franchises in all of sports. If you excuse me, I'm pretty sure I'll be getting some hate mail from Chelsea and Liverpool fans now.

Montreal Canadiens - I am fully aware they haven't had a championship since 1993, but consider this: there are something like four hundred names of former Montreal players etched on Lord Stanley's Cup. Twenty Four rings in all (second only to the Yankees in North American titles, I believe), and they rarely ice a team that isn't competitive. That is a type of both longevity and dominance that I simply can't ignore.

New England Patriots - Even though in decades prior they had done very little, the Pats turned a team in a league driven by parity into a dynasty. Being able to do so in this age of the NFL is what separates them from their brethren of other leagues. They have managed to pull off one of the more impressive sports feats in recent memory. I didn't and don't consider what lies in the future in my evaluations, but it appears that these guys aren't done yet - they look to be poised for deep runs for the rest of the decade.

There's five right there, and I don't believe that is an inclusive five. So yes, I refute your answer Man In Black.
 
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I don't agree with you assertion. If I take pieces of what you wrote for the 5 you chose, it would aptly fall in line with what the Spurs have accomplished.
I'll explain later :)

And I note, you didn't refute Forbes :)

Riddle me this: Had the Suns or the Coyotes been chosen Top 5 would you have accepted the placement or laughed it off?
 
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San Antonio Spurs - I can't stand the Spurs and I can't stand what the Spurs have done in basketball. Their overly methodical style...arrggghhh.
Remember that I am considering 3 types of success:current, recent, and historic. They by far are the most decorated team in the west, they obviously have the odd-year dynasty thing going for them and their historical winning percentage passing the Celtics to vault to 2nd place behind the Lakers shows that this team has been playing winning basketball since they joined the NBA. Thus by my count they are 3 for 3.

Since their roster provides an international flavor counting 6 players on the NBA International list, plus guys that played in other countries before finding their way back to the US. This team is internationally recognized as being one of the best franchises. Considering that the Spurs have only been in the NBA since 1976 and have already passed the vaunted Celtics for #2 in winning percentage All-Time and knowing that they currently own the longest active playoff streak, that is a type of both longetivity and dominance I simply can't ignore. Adding to the fact that in the last 10 years that there hasn't been 1 other team in any North American Professional Sports League that has even come close to attaining the kind of winning percentage speaks volumes about their winning consistency.

As for the Patriots, let's just say that them and the Spurs have a mutual admiration society.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/global-...ies/MYSA012305.1C.COL.BKNharvey.34f6f229.html
The two franchises might eventually do nothing more than admire the reflection. The system models are similar, beginning with the head coaches. As it is with the Spurs' Gregg Popovich, the Patriots' Bill Belichick is the vision of his franchise.
Belichick, too, has the ultimate word, and he puts the culture in place. He is the authority, and it comes in handy when running a locker room. How else, after all, could Popovich bench a young, prideful star such as Tony Parker in the fourth quarter and overtime Friday?
Other players likely would protest or pout. Parker knows complaining won't work in this organization. If anything, he will be fueled today in Sacramento to respond.
Finding the Parkers is a trick, too. And as it is with the Spurs, it's up to those around Belichick to research and brainstorm and create the options.
The Buford of the Patriots is a 39-year-old wunderkind named Scott Pioli. He's the New England vice president in charge of player personnel, the youngest to win NFL executive of the year.
The similarities of these men, again, link their franchises. Pioli found Tom Brady in the sixth round, and today Brady comes into Pittsburgh having never lost a playoff game. Buford found Manu Ginobili near the end of the 1999 NBA Draft, and Ginobili comes into Sacramento fresh from a 48-point night against the Suns.
Brady, just for fun, should try this today: Run to his right, then pass behind his back with a wraparound left. Ginobili did that Friday in Phoenix, setting up Brown for a 3-pointer to end the first half.
It seems, then, these franchises already have everything in place. But Buford sees more.
"I don't know if we will get this far," Buford said. "But I'd like to learn more about the emotional toughness of their team. There's a sports psychology component that I think can be explored."
NFL teams use Wunderlich test scores, for example. But do different teams read the scores differently? And is the psychological make-up the Patriots look for in a quarterback the same the Spurs look for in a point guard?
Little might come from it. But this is the kind of thinking that describes the thoroughness of both franchises, and why both have been successful.

The Espn Nation talked only of US Franchises but if the world game was included, I'd have said Real Madrid or AC Milan. Sir Alex's Man U Red Devil teams have been amongst the forefront of the Premiership but they've had lots of competition as the UEFA has shown. Spurs have a deal in place where they sell Tottenham HotSpur gear. It's kind of cool...I'm looking into getting a Robbie Keane #10.

Just because 1 doesn't like a team doesn't mean that that 1 should shun them.

Accomplishments are just that and winning a title is a difficult thing much less 3 and possibly
a 4th.

So criteria wise, the Spurs have what it takes to be a top 5 team. Whether you agree or not is entirely up to you.
 
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I was at Flickas on Scottsdale Road and a Spurs fan started cheering next to me. I had some liquid courage going and threatened him. He moved far away and wouldn't look at me all night.

It was kind of strange because at 5'10 180 I am not what you would call intimidating. I am not proud of it after I sobered up but it was what it was.

I think it was the first Suns V. Spurs game this season that my friend was at a bar and some annoying Spurs fan was hitting those annoying clapping tube things together in the middle of the bar. My friend just stood up, walked over to the table and broke them in half. Afterward he slammed them on the ground and just walked away.

Keep in mind my friend played Linebacker for Arizona's semi-pro football league.
 

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I think it was the first Suns V. Spurs game this season that my friend was at a bar and some annoying Spurs fan was hitting those annoying clapping tube things together in the middle of the bar. My friend just stood up, walked over to the table and broke them in half. Afterward he slammed them on the ground and just walked away.

Keep in mind my friend played Linebacker for Arizona's semi-pro football league.
Your friend is now my hero. (or, at least, one of my heroes)
 

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I don't agree with you assertion. If I take pieces of what you wrote for the 5 you chose, it would aptly fall in line with what the Spurs have accomplished.
I'll explain later :)

And I note, you didn't refute Forbes :)
That's because the article requires premium access, slick.

Riddle me this: Had the Suns or the Coyotes been chosen Top 5 would you have accepted the placement or laughed it off?
Laughed it off. Neither are close to Top 5 either. And you pretty much bypassed almost everything in my response.
 

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Then we agree to disagree. I'm good with #2 winning percentage in the history of the NBA, that ain't opinion...that's fact.

You have good evening.
 

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I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Detroit Red Wings.....eh maybe i'm the only one who cares about hockey. GO AVS!:D
 

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I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Detroit Red Wings.....eh maybe i'm the only one who cares about hockey. GO AVS!:D
Detroit is another team that should probably be considered over the Spurs as well.
 
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Detroit is another team that should probably be considered over the Spurs as well.

:thumbup: Agreed.
The suns remind me a lot of the Ottawa Senators...they look strong in the regular season, but they run into dumb luck in the playoffs.
 

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Plus the 49ers and GB Packers should be ahead of the Spurs on this list.
 

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