What needs to happen for value pick

[Dougmo]

In my mind the top 6 players are sure to be gone by our pick. After that I have 5 players I feel would be good value for our needs (in order of preference):
Reiff
Ingram
DeCastro
Kuechly
Floyd


In order for that to happen after those first 6 go, we'd really need Coples, Tannehill, and/or one of the DT's to go.
I feel like Coples is a lock to go somewhere, so it's the DT and Tannehill that have to happen.
I'm hoping Miami loves Tannehill as much as the mockers are claiming and/or Seattle, KC or Carolina go DT.

 

[imaCafan]

In my mind the top 6 players are sure to be gone by our pick. After that I have 5 players I feel would be good value for our needs (in order of preference):
Reiff
Ingram
DeCastro
Kuechly
Floyd


In order for that to happen after those first 6 go, we'd really need Coples, Tannehill, and/or one of the DT's to go.
I feel like Coples is a lock to go somewhere, so it's the DT and Tannehill that have to happen.
I'm hoping Miami loves Tannehill as much as the mockers are claiming and/or Seattle, KC or Carolina go DT.

Talk now is that Tannehill may even go at #3 to someone trading with the Vikes to be sure and get him......so the talking heads say anyway.....

 

[Mitch]

Talk now is that Tannehill may even go at #3 to someone trading with the Vikes to be sure and get him......so the talking heads say anyway.....

I also think that believe it or not, Brandon Weeden could be a top 10 pick if Tannehill goes in the top 7 and the Dolphins feel they can't risk losing out on one of the top 4 QBs.

 

[Dougmo]

I'd love it if both of those happened!
I've been harboring a dream about Kalil falling and us trading up to get him, maybe to 7. Would probably take a #3 this year and maybe a #2 next year but I'd do it.

 

[imaCafan]

I'd love it if both of those happened!
I've been harboring a dream about Kalil falling and us trading up to get him, maybe to 7. Would probably take a #3 this year and maybe a #2 next year but I'd do it.

I would love it if he dropped to a spot (say #5) where we could trade & get him. I am guessing the Rams would take him at #6......OR, another nice surprise would be if Reiff falls to #13, because I see absolutely no way the Cards would trade up for Kalil, unless he falls to at least 9 or 10, and even then they probably would "sit tight".....

 

[Stout]

I also think that believe it or not, Brandon Weeden could be a top 10 pick if Tannehill goes in the top 7 and the Dolphins feel they can't risk losing out on one of the top 4 QBs.

He was invited to the draft. He turned it down, but still.

 

[Mitch]

He was invited to the draft. He turned it down, but still.

Yeah, Stout, it will be interesting to see where he goes. Imo, he's a lock for the top 40. Because he's most likely to go between 33-40, he probably didn't want to sit through the whole first night of the draft and I wouldn't blame him for that. But---as it turns out he might go a lot earlier than even he expects.

Last year the #4 rated QB went at #12. That was Christian Ponder---and I think one could make a good argument that Weeden, despite being 28, has more upside as a pro passer. He's bigger---has a stronger arm and his college numbers were more impressive.

 

[Longcolts]

Yeah, Stout, it will be interesting to see where he goes. Imo, he's a lock for the top 40. Because he's most likely to go between 33-40, he probably didn't want to sit through the whole first night of the draft and I wouldn't blame him for that. But---as it turns out he might go a lot earlier than even he expects.

Last year the #4 rated QB went at #12. That was Christian Ponder---and I think one could make a good argument that Weeden, despite being 28, has more upside as a pro passer. He's bigger---has a stronger arm and his college numbers were more impressive.[/quote

I think a perfect place for a qb as raw as Tannehil to go with the Broncos. Who better to train a qb than have him sit behind Manning for a couple or three years. Assuming of course that Manning would be willing to work with him.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I think a perfect place for a qb as raw as Tannehil to go with the Broncos. Who better to train a qb than have him sit behind Manning for a couple or three years. Assuming of course that Manning would be willing to work with him.

Denver has been working out Brock Osweiler most recently.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Denver has been working out Brock Osweiler most recently.

Didn't they just pick up a QB from the scrap heap ?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I actually think the Cards are going to trade down this year. If Ingram is on the board, I can see the Jets and NE trying to move up and get him. Every day I get more convinced that Cordy Glenn is going to be the Cards pick and a trade down will be entertained.

 

[Garthshort]

All signs indicate Tannehill will go by KC at the very latest, and by Minn. at the earliest, if someone trades up.

 

[JeffGollin]

BPA vs. "Need"

In an effort to put a dent in this eternal debate, I put together four mocks: (1) According to BPA, (2) According to a Key Need, (3) According to Another Key Need and (4 Hybrid - BPA or One of the 2 Needs depending on the Pick. (Note: My BPA mock reflects how I stacked my board and not where I think these dudes will be drafted. Needs A & B reflect my "top-ranked available players at each position).

BPA
001. K Wright WR
080. Pead RB
112. Bergstrom OL
151. Adcock OL
177. Keenum QB
185. D Wolfe DT
221. Rodgriguez FB

Need-A
001. Glenn OL
080. Curry DE
112. A Cole LB
151.Jenkins WR
177.Martin S
185.Benjamin WR
221. Hicks DT

Need-B
001. Hightower ILB
080. Matthews WR
112. Iloka S
151. Kaddu LB
177. O Bolden CB
185. Shoemaker WR
221. Paige-Moss DE

"Hybrid
001. Glenn OL (Over Wright - Just a hunch)
080. Curry DE (Over Pead - Need over "negative-need")
112. Iloka S (Over Bergstrom - Hunch)
151. Jenkins WR (Need. Hindsight = 20/20. If I knew I could get Shoemaker, I'd take Adcock)
177. O Bolden CB (Over Keenum - Need over negative-need)
185. Shoemaker WR (Over D Wolfe - Love Shoemaker - see comment)
221. Hicks DT (Over Rodriguez - Need over negative-need)

In most cases, I drafted more for need than BPA but you could make the case that Glenn and Wright were closely ranked overall with "need becoming the tie-breaker and that Pead, Keenum and Rodgriguez represented "negative needs" (i.e. "didn't need them; wouldn't make it thru preseason").

Shoemaker was a Luck go-to guy - one of those Proehl, Chrebet, Welker possession types thought to run in the mid-4.6's but ran a steaming 4.43 on his pro day. If a receiver can (a) catch everything, (b) run great routes and (c) run a 4.43, I want him -especially at #185.