What Player and/or Positions Would You Hate at 16

[Gandhi]

Any offensive position would make me cry.

 

[oaken1]

Im not too set on anything this draft other than feeling we need defensive penetrators.

But good football players help you win games. 16 seems awful high for a kicker. But if dude ends up with a 20 year career at 95 percent success rate and can hit at 55 percent from 75 yards...then hell, in a few years nobody will be complaining about where he was picked. The Raiders picked Janikowski at 17 and never regretted the pick. dude won a lot of games for them.
a TE?? seems a sure fire no for this team....but with Kyler, Conner, and 3 legit dual threat TE's on the field at the same time..our offense would/could be totally unpredictable while having three receiving options that cant easily be brought down by DB's,..or covered by LB's...while having overload blocking for the run...Petzing might just be the OC who could make that a devastating attack. start out in 13, a couple of motions...and suddenly we are in 11 personnel with LB's trying to cover out wide in space.could be interesting.

we all have PTSD on first round ILB's...But just imagine what an Mike Singletary or Derrick Thomas type guy would do for this defense.
I mean hell, LT won DROY and DPOY in the same year...and later an MVP...who wouldnt want a guy like that on the squad?

Get the best talent available when its available. Superstars help you win games and championships. we are in no position to pass on a superstar talent just because the room looks good.
even safety...Budda is our best but he is getting old.... is it really a crime to draft an all pro safety just because we have Budda, JT, and Rabbit?

Look at the players available and draft the guy you have the best projections on. Not only will it help the team. But it will help this board on no longer having to hear about "Big Johns"

 

[Cardiac]

Look at the players available and draft the guy you have the best projections on. Not only will it help the team. But it will help this board on no longer having to hear about "Big Johns"

You really believe that we wouldn't hear about big johns?
Very good post btw. You changed my mind.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Any offensive position would make me cry.

Simmons is the only offensive player I would be happy with..would much rather have pierce….Walter Nolan or grant ..Williams…then a o lineman like Jackson at 47….speed wr in third….

 

[Chopper0080]

re: Tyler Booker, I would disagree with the strategy but I could see the GM thought process. He isn't bullet proof as a prospect but he is very safe. He fills a huge need and is strong enough to set the firm front of the pocket I feel Kyler needs. He also is young, very physical, and athletic enough.

My frustration would be less about the player and more about the positional value and 5th year contract issue. I would love Booker in round 2 but don't think he will be there. He is also a player I would trade up in round 2 for.

 

[BirdGangThing]

re: Tyler Booker, I would disagree with the strategy but I could see the GM thought process. He isn't bullet proof as a prospect but he is very safe. He fills a huge need and is strong enough to set the firm front of the pocket I feel Kyler needs. He also is young, very physical, and athletic enough.

My frustration would be less about the player and more about the positional value and 5th year contract issue. I would love Booker in round 2 but don't think he will be there. He is also a player I would trade up in round 2 for.

yessir i don't think booker makes it to round 2

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[BACH]

At #16. Guard, ILB, WR and S. (TE, QB and RB are not happening)

Wouldn't mind G in a trade down. I think the top 3 guards all have elite potential, but positional value is not there at #16

If sticking at #16 it's DT, Edge or OT for me - unless someone falls. Wouldn't mind Will Johnson at CB or Will Campbell as a future all-pro G there.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Here's least desirable to most desirable (and assuming that QB is not even a possibility):


1. TE - TE is probably the best room on the team (I like Higgins). How could you possibly justify using our 1st round pick on a TE when the front seven is off of life support, but still in need top tier talent?

2. RB - Watching Saquon makes me a little jelly, but Conner is well-suited to run behind this line and I'm hopeful for Trey.

3. S - We need defense, but we already have a team leader, JT, and good young talent in this room. No way you can rationalize a S at 16.

4. CB - The front seven is a much more of a pressing need than CB, and we've put a lot into the CB room already. Barely edges out WR for the four spot.

5. WR - as much as I hate that our WR room sucks, we have to hope MHJ steps up and makes it bearable. We have to build the front seven.

6. OL - However, if a good RT fell to 16, or a game changing G was available there, that would be pretty tempting. We need to win the line of scrimmage on offense more often than we did last year.

7. ILB - Still in therapy over the Simmons pick (it's going well, thank you), and Mack Wilson is above average, but I'm not very excited about Davis-Gaither starting in the middle. Not sure we can win a championship with him as a starter. Hope he proves me wrong.

8. IDL - Glad we added Tomlinson and CC, but I still think we need a JJ Watt disruptor type IDL player. Someone who terrifies opposing OCs. But we need EDGE a little more.

9. EDGE - Adding Sweat was great, and Browning is a good story, but we're not going to win anything until we stop guys like Stafford and Donald from getting comfortable in the pocket. Sacks change the trajectory of games. Also, I'm tired of the Ojulari hype, and Zaven is a good back up, but not a starter.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anybody that rhymes with Shedeur Sanders

 

[Osbern61]

ILB

 

[BritCard]

For me I find it hard to look past OT, DL and Edge at #16, that's just where the value is and there are some good players available.

At the same time, from a purely roster perspective, I think the roster is probably most improved by a LB, G or WR. If I'm looking at the starting 22 those are the positions that could most obviously be improved by a draft pick in terms of starter snaps. But I'd still go with OT, DL or Edge.

I wouldn't be mad though if it was something else, I can see the logic.

 

[Chopper0080]

For me I find it hard to look past OT, DL and Edge at #16, that's just where the value is and there are some good players available.

At the same time, from a purely roster perspective, I think the roster is probably most improved by a LB, G or WR. If I'm looking at the starting 22 those are the positions that could most obviously be improved by a draft pick in terms of starter snaps. But I'd still go with OT, DL or Edge.

I wouldn't be mad though if it was something else, I can see the logic.

Agreed. The only area that I wonder about is ILB. It is possible that Monti and Gannon are 100% ok with Wilson, ADG, Walker and Pappoe. It could just be the 2025 version of 2023's Kyzir White, Josh Woods, Krys Barnes and Owen Pappoe.

 

[Stout]

For me I find it hard to look past OT, DL and Edge at #16, that's just where the value is and there are some good players available.

At the same time, from a purely roster perspective, I think the roster is probably most improved by a LB, G or WR. If I'm looking at the starting 22 those are the positions that could most obviously be improved by a draft pick in terms of starter snaps. But I'd still go with OT, DL or Edge.

I wouldn't be mad though if it was something else, I can see the logic.

This is an interesting post. I want very much to disagree, because I am against ILBer or G in round 1, but the logic is solid. Unless we draft my guy Nolen and he's an immediate interior disruptor in the passing game, you are right--a DT or Edge wouldn't be as immediately impactful.

Damn it, Brit, stop saying such intelligent stuff on here lol We're supposed to be disagreeing!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I agree on TE unless Warren somehow falls to us. Then you try not to trip and fall as you run to the podium with the pick.

I think McBride is a better TE than Warren. Most 1st round TEs aren't Brock Bowers, the vast major end up being very Meh.

I watched a good YouTube video on whether it was a good idea to take Warren in round one and it's probably an awful idea. Warren was only an okay blocker in college and will be a below average blocker in the NFL, so a team loses the big advantage of having an in line TE who can block and also catch. That's why McBride is so good, he's a solid blocker and really good receiver so teams struggle to match up with him. Warren doesn't have that advantage.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm kind of in a wait and see mode this year. There's nobody in the mix that I'd hate at 16, well maybe Gray Zabel. Don't want an OG from the Dakotas based off a good senior bowl week. I'm not big on Jalon Walker either. He gives me the Isaiah Simmons vibe, even though I loved the Simmons pick at the time.

I love Walker because he was VERY good when Georgia lined him up on the edge. He fights through contact very well which is very different than Simmons.

 

[CardNots]

anyone who isn’t starting by end of the season

 

[BritCard]

Agreed. The only area that I wonder about is ILB. It is possible that Monti and Gannon are 100% ok with Wilson, ADG, Walker and Pappoe. It could just be the 2025 version of 2023's Kyzir White, Josh Woods, Krys Barnes and Owen Pappoe.

This is an interesting post. I want very much to disagree, because I am against ILBer or G in round 1, but the logic is solid. Unless we draft my guy Nolen and he's an immediate interior disruptor in the passing game, you are right--a DT or Edge wouldn't be as immediately impactful.

Damn it, Brit, stop saying such intelligent stuff on here lol We're supposed to be disagreeing!

I can see the logic both ways on ILB. On paper the room looks like something Gannon and Rallis will be happy with. Small, quick ILB's that are good in coverage. At the same time I can see them being enamoured with a guy like Jihaad Campbell and the multiple things he can do.

For what it's worth I'm not a massive fan of T-Mac or Golden in the top 20. I know there is a lot of T-Mac fans here and he's a great college receiver, I'm just not convinced he's going to be a great NFL WR. So this would probably be my most disappointing pick in round 1.

I'd go OT, because Beachum is 36 soon and Williams is hurt and FA after this year. And Jones is an easy PS stash. If I want a depth DT that's a pass rush threat I think we can get one later in someone like Norman-Lott.

 

[Chopper0080]

This is an interesting post. I want very much to disagree, because I am against ILBer or G in round 1, but the logic is solid. Unless we draft my guy Nolen and he's an immediate interior disruptor in the passing game, you are right--a DT or Edge wouldn't be as immediately impactful.

Damn it, Brit, stop saying such intelligent stuff on here lol We're supposed to be disagreeing!

For me, you can add EDGE to WR, OG, and ILB when talking about drafting for need and immediate impact. Collins is an ok EDGE player but he is close to the equivalent Zay Jones, Evan Brown, and ADG IMO.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I can see the logic both ways on ILB. On paper the room looks like something Gannon and Rallis will be happy with. Small, quick ILB's that are good in coverage. At the same time I can see them being enamoured with a guy like Jihaad Campbell and the multiple things he can do.

For what it's worth I'm not a massive fan of T-Mac or Golden in the top 20. I know there is a lot of T-Mac fans here and he's a great college receiver, I'm just not convinced he's going to be a great NFL WR. So this would probably be my most disappointing pick in round 1.

I'd go OT, because Beachum is 36 soon and Williams is hurt and FA after this year. And Jones is an easy PS stash. If I want a depth DT that's a pass rush threat I think we can get one later in someone like Norman-Lott.

I actually like the idea of Jayden Higgins in round 2 or taking one of the receivers (Royals, Noel, etc) that might fall to round 3.

For me I'm not crazy about taking a TE, G, S, or ILB in round one. I think that it might be folly to just draft on roster holes, but can understand the logic. The Cardinals actually should just draft BPA for once. My dream would be for Jalon Walker to somehow fall but I don't see that happening.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anybody that rhymes with Shedeur Sanders

I kid but he apparently continues to fall down draft boards. Jaxon Dart is ahead of him on a bunch of boards now and there's some 25 year old named Tyler Slough who was in college 6 or 7 years due to injuries and apparently some NFL teams have HIM rated ahead of Sanders now too.

They're doing a massive lobbying campaign to try and get him picked, article after article about how he's being blamed for being rich, they hate his dad etc.
The reality is his interviews he came off poorly. They didn't do any combine stuff and then at his workout they had this huge show with signs saying PRIME and ads for Deion's business interests and scouts were annoyed by the whole thing and said it was the exact opposite of what we wanted to see. We wanted to see the kid workout and show us what arm he has and instead we got a reality show.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I kid but he apparently continues to fall down draft boards. Jaxon Dart is ahead of him on a bunch of boards now and there's some 25 year old named Tyler Slough who was in college 6 or 7 years due to injuries and apparently some NFL teams have HIM rated ahead of Sanders now too.

They're doing a massive lobbying campaign to try and get him picked, article after article about how he's being blamed for being rich, they hate his dad etc.
The reality is his interviews he came off poorly. They didn't do any combine stuff and then at his workout they had this huge show with signs saying PRIME and ads for Deion's business interests and scouts were annoyed by the whole thing and said it was the exact opposite of what we wanted to see. We wanted to see the kid workout and show us what arm he has and instead we got a reality show.

In my head....his name should be pronounced like where I poop every morning.

I don't have a problem with confidence, but fake confidence and silver spoon kids like him are a real turn off. He comes off as spoiled, pampered, and completely self absorbed, which aren't traits I want in a QB. Granted, that sounds like Aaron Rodgers a bit, but Rodgers is more talented and he does work hard.

 

[Russ Smith]

In my head....his name should be pronounced like where I poop every morning.

I don't have a problem with confidence, but fake confidence and silver spoon kids like him are a real turn off. He comes off as spoiled, pampered, and completely self absorbed, which aren't traits I want in a QB. Granted, that sounds like Aaron Rodgers a bit, but Rodgers is more talented and he does work hard.

I say it every year First round QB's are so expensive you have to really know what you're getting. If the team won't like him, it's a problem. If he's not a hard worker, and Sanders apparently is, that's a problem. I actually think a big issue with him is people are scared how he'll react when he's not being coached by his dad for the first time in his career.

Sort of the thing we hear about Kyler and his dad

 

[gimpy]

This is an interesting post. I want very much to disagree, because I am against ILBer or G in round 1, but the logic is solid. Unless we draft my guy Nolen and he's an immediate interior disruptor in the passing game, you are right--a DT or Edge wouldn't be as immediately impactful.

Damn it, Brit, stop saying such intelligent stuff on here lol We're supposed to be disagreeing!

Who is this? Really.

 

[Stout]

In my head....his name should be pronounced like where I poop every morning.

I don't have a problem with confidence, but fake confidence and silver spoon kids like him are a real turn off. He comes off as spoiled, pampered, and completely self absorbed, which aren't traits I want in a QB. Granted, that sounds like Aaron Rodgers a bit, but Rodgers is more talented and he does work hard.

Plus ARon didn't come into the league like that. He earned his crazy.

Side note: He's done with working hard. Football is not his priority right now. His words. He should just retire. As Chuck Noll said, "If you're thinking about retiring, you're retired."

 

[BritCard]

I actually like the idea of Jayden Higgins in round 2 or taking one of the receivers (Royals, Noel, etc) that might fall to round 3.

For me I'm not crazy about taking a TE, G, S, or ILB in round one. I think that it might be folly to just draft on roster holes, but can understand the logic. The Cardinals actually should just draft BPA for once. My dream would be for Jalon Walker to somehow fall but I don't see that happening.

I would not be at all surprised if one for the day 2 receivers turns out the best in this class.

I really like Jalen Royals, but I'm not sure we need a do it all receiver. Harrison and Wilson are both good players. What we lack is a true deep threat which is why I often mention Horton. But someone like Tez Johnson might work. His 40 time was bad so he's getting slated but his tape is quick and his analytics are up there at the top of this class.