What would it take

[WildBB]

To bring in Ayton #1 and Doncic @ #2 or 3?

Doncic is threatening to sign an extension with Madrid, even if drafted (by Sactown or possibly Atlanta).

Trade scenarios..

 

[Mainstreet]

It was sort of discussed earlier. I said something like Warren and a couple of first round picks.

 

[Phrazbit]

It was sort of discussed earlier. I said something like Warren and a couple of first round picks.

I think it would cost much much much more.

If he really refused to play for Sacramento then my bet is Orlando would find a way to move up and get him, with the 6th pick (plus a couple future firsts).

For us to get him... I'm guessing #16, our pick next year with maaaybe top 3 protection, the Miami pick, the Bucks pick... and probably Jackson.

IMO Warren is a non-factor in this kind of trade. He is someone an established team would have an interest in, not a terrible team who is surrendering the right to draft a potential superstar.

 

[WildBB]

I think it would cost much much much more.

If he really refused to play for Sacramento then my bet is Orlando would find a way to move up and get him, with the 6th pick (plus a couple future firsts).

For us to get him... I'm guessing #16, our pick next year with maaaybe top 3 protection, the Miami pick, the Bucks pick... and probably Jackson.

IMO Warren is a non-factor in this kind of trade. He is someone an established team would have an interest in, not a terrible team who is surrendering the right to draft a potential superstar.

I'd say Jackson is untouchable. You know he's got that magic underwear and all, right?!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think it would cost much much much more.

If he really refused to play for Sacramento then my bet is Orlando would find a way to move up and get him, with the 6th pick (plus a couple future firsts).

For us to get him... I'm guessing #16, our pick next year with maaaybe top 3 protection, the Miami pick, the Bucks pick... and probably Jackson.

IMO Warren is a non-factor in this kind of trade. He is someone an established team would have an interest in, not a terrible team who is surrendering the right to draft a potential superstar.

Four 1st round picks, one of which is unprotected and one top 3 protected AND Jackson? I’d love for Ayton Doncic. But that deal is just too rich.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think it would cost much much much more.

If he really refused to play for Sacramento then my bet is Orlando would find a way to move up and get him, with the 6th pick (plus a couple future firsts).

For us to get him... I'm guessing #16, our pick next year with maaaybe top 3 protection, the Miami pick, the Bucks pick... and probably Jackson.

IMO Warren is a non-factor in this kind of trade. He is someone an established team would have an interest in, not a terrible team who is surrendering the right to draft a potential superstar.

For that price, I'd forget about it and concentrate on moving up from #16 to nab a PG. The #31 pick move the Suns up a few notches.

 

[Phrazbit]

Four 1st round picks, one of which is unprotected and one top 3 protected AND Jackson? I’d love for Ayton Doncic. But that deal is just too rich.

Well, yeah, it's a block buster trade for a guy viewed as a potential superstar. It's going to cost a butt load. If we had top 8 pick (besides our own) to dangle it would be a lot easier.

Let me put it like this:

If Boston offered us Tatum, Sacramento's unprotected pick in 2019, plus 2-3 future firsts with minimal protection for the #1 pick what would you say?

I'm guessing you'd tell them to screw off. And that is a package easily as valuable as the one I proposed, only we're on the receiving instead of giving end of it.

 

[WildBB]

Four 1st round picks, one of which is unprotected and one top 3 protected AND Jackson? I’d love for Ayton Doncic. But that deal is just too rich.

Would you do it for the four #1's and maybe Chriss?

Don't know if I'd sacrifice Bender either just at this time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, yeah, it's a block buster trade for a guy viewed as a potential superstar. It's going to cost a butt load. If we had top 8 pick (besides our own) to dangle it would be a lot easier.

Let me put it like this:

If Boston offered us Tatum, Sacramento's unprotected pick in 2019, plus 2-3 future firsts with minimal protection for the #1 pick what would you say?

I'm guessing you'd tell them to screw off. And that is a package easily as valuable as the one I proposed, only we're on the receiving instead of giving end of it.

I’d tell them to screw off for Ayton. But I’d probably do that deal if we were staring at Doncic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You have to look at the teams. I don't think you even worry about Sacramento, Doncic can threaten to play in Europe and Bagley is a better fit for them anyway.

Now Atlanta is entering a full rebuild. They just lost their star coach, their pg is wanting out. They are headed toward a few years of tanking. They might just be willing to draft Doncic and let him play in Europe.

Memphis is really bummed right now. They are a team that wants to retool rather than rebuild. Doncic would be a nice fit there. I would think Jackson would interest them though. He is a Memphis type of player. Having picks would be a good thing too. Not sure TJ would interest them. Bender might.

Its really tough to find a willing trade partner.

I would think our unprotected pick next year, and the Miami pick (unprotected as well), the 16 this year, plus a good young player all would be in play.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Would you do it for the four #1's and maybe Chriss?

Don't know if I'd sacrifice Bender either just at this time.

I’d be much quicker to do 3 #1s and Chriss or bender.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I’d tell them to screw off for Ayton. But I’d probably do that deal if we were staring at Doncic.

yep.

 

[WildBB]

I’d be much quicker to do 3 #1s and Chriss or bender.

So the difference between one extra #1 and getting Doncic would make it a NO?

 

[JCSunsfan]

So the difference between one extra #1 and getting Doncic would make it a NO?

16, Suns unprotected next year, the Milwaukee pick, and the Suns unprotected in 2021 plus Chriss.

Done. But I would try to swap the #31 and #59 instead of the Milwaukee pick first. For a rebuilding team that is a huge haul. Hopefully there is a team out there in the top 5 who has some doubts about Doncic.

We will have #31, #59, and the unprotected Miami pick in 2021 which will probably be better than our own. If we could swap #31 and #59 instead of the Milwaukee pick, we still will have a first rounder every year going forward.

Its amazing that we can trade three first rounders and still have a first rounder every year going forward.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Doncic stays in Europe, the Suns could more easily trade for him in a season or two.

 

[leclerc]

Booker and Jackson are untouchable. Do you guys think Doncic will be better than Jackson? I don't know. Chicken in the hand...

Ayton
Bender
Jackson
Booker
...
Warren

Looks pretty strong going forward. Shy guy Bender might blossom. Fill in a decent PG (he must be a three point threat) and two solid vets and we're in the playoffs in two years, maybe even next year.

#1 baby!

Who needs another Milos?

 

[Mainstreet]

I would not trade any unprotected pick. Let's not forget, the Suns were the worst team in the league last season.

 

[Mainstreet]

Booker and Jackson are untouchable. Do you guys think Doncic will be better than Jackson? I don't know. Chicken in the hand...

Ayton
Bender
Jackson
Booker
...
Warren

Looks pretty strong going forward. Shy guy Bender might blossom. Fill in a decent PG (he must be a three point threat) and two solid vets and we're in the playoffs in two years, maybe even next year.

#1 baby!

Who needs another Milos?

I'm not sure Doncic is better than Jackson so this answers a lot of my questions. The Suns definitely should keep Booker, Jackson and #1.

 

[Phrazbit]

In a trade like the ones we're kicking around I'm not that worried about giving up a few of our future firsts with little protection... and it's for the same reason that I think opposing teams won't value them too much either.

How much is a first round pick in 2021 or 2023 (remember, you can't trade them in back to back years) going to be worth from a team hypothetically built around Ayton, Jackson, Booker, Young/Doncic? Those picks are likely to be in the 20s.

 

[Folster]

I would not trade any unprotected pick. Let's not forget, the Suns were the worst team in the league last season.

I think this talk of Ayton and Doncic is silly, but in this scenario, the Kings would be giving up the #2 pick this year and it's highly unlikely we get a top 2 pick next year. The conversation would have start with #16, 2019 unprotected, + a player. More picks would likely be needed, but I still think the Kings will balk.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It would take collusion by the agent. Doncic would have to say he will stay two years in Europe (or however long it takes for him to get out of the rookie cap dollars).

Now he starts sliding. Sac take Bagley. Atlanta take Bamba. Memphis takes Jackson. Dallas takes Porter. Orlando takes Young.

So now. You are Chicago. Do you take Carter or Bridges now or wait two years for Doncic. Tough choice.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think this talk of Ayton and Doncic is silly, but in this scenario, the Kings would be giving up the #2 pick this year and it's highly unlikely we get a top 2 pick next year. The conversation would have start with #16, 2019 unprotected, + a player. More picks would likely be needed, but I still think the Kings will balk.

I agree the talk of getting Doncic is unlikely. Unless the Suns are sold on him, I would prefer the Suns build a package around #16 for a PG.

I'm not sold on Doncic and the Suns look good at the SG and SF positions.

 

[SirStefan32]

He could sign a contract with an insane buyout amount. Then he and Sarver can figure out how to pay for getting him out of it. I think the team is actually limited in how much they can contribute.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He could sign a contract with an insane buyout amount. Then he and Sarver can figure out how to pay for getting him out of it. I think the team is actually limited in how much they can contribute.

The team can pay up to half. The player has to cover the rest.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So the difference between one extra #1 and getting Doncic would make it a NO?

We still aren’t a good team. Even adding Ayton it wouldn’t take much for the wheels to come off (say an injury to Ayton, booker, Jackson). So yes there’s a limit to how much I’m willing to gamble.