What would you give for Myles Garrett?

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Crosby plays with absolutely no other threats on that D line. He's double teamed all the time and still gets double digit sacks.

Garrett is a beast and likely the best DE in the league but he's always had other good players on that line. Za'Darius Smith, Clowney, Vernon, Richardson, Ogunjobi, Ogbah etc. Maxx hasn't had nearly the same supporting cast.

Top 3 DE for me behind Garrett and Watt.
Do not agree...

Hutch, Garrett, Bosa, Watt, Parsons are better.

At the same level as him. Hunter, Mack, Hendrickson, Anderson Jr. and perhaps even Verse.

That would make him 6th at best. 12th at worst in my book.

That is still great, but IMO there is quite the gap between Garrett and Crosby
 

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I agree somewhat with this. Problem is for Cleveland, if he wants to go to Super Bowl contending team, those picks are going to be pretty far down the list — 30-32. That, in my opinion, is why Cleveland is saying they won’t trade him. They’d be looking for 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd from a Super Bowl bound team. They might take 2 firsts from a team, say the Cardinals, likely to be in the middle of the pack come draft day. He’s a super player and would help out a lot, but would it make sense to give up 2 firsts. Don’t know. The draft is always a crap shoot.
1. The trade price for a quality player is always much lower than you would expect.
2. The 16th pick is worth so so much more than a pick from the Chiefs, Lions etc. There is basicly no difference between 16th and 2x32th. So the Cardinals' price would be 16th and a 3rd compared to 2x1st from the Chiefs.
3. Browns would like to send him to the NFC. Discussions have already been happening between Monti and the Browns. That is confirmed and ESPN even put out a breaking news during the season that Cardinals traded for him - that they later retracted.
4. Question is, if Garrett would be happy to come to AZ. There is a personal relationship with Kyler. It's a team trending up and with the biggest need at his exact position. Is that enough?
 
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If it is just picks, my guess is a 1st (either this year or next year), and second in the opposite year of the 1st, and then a 3rd or 4th (maybe something coming back if it is a 3rd).
 

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If I am the Browns, I am trading Garrett for a 2025 2nd and a 2026 1st and 3rd (if I can get it) because it opens up more teams for bidding. Also because they should probably trade down from #2 this year, and having 2 or 3 1st round picks this year is less valuable for that franchise.
 

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If I am the Browns, I am trading Garrett for a 2025 2nd and a 2026 1st and 3rd (if I can get it) because it opens up more teams for bidding. Also because they should probably trade down from #2 this year, and having 2 or 3 1st round picks this year is less valuable for that franchise.

I think that is a fair price.

If I'm the Cardinals I would give up a 2025 2nd, 2026 1st and 2026 4th for Garrett. All assuming that the Cardinals and Kyler can convince Garrett that they will be a perennial playoff contender with him in the mix.

Then with a stud Edge secured in Garrett, I would trade back from the 2025 1st and try to rebuild some of the draft capital lost. Something like trading the #16 overall pick to Detroit for #28, #60 and a 2026 4th. Maybe someone like Simmons would fall to 28 and the Cardinals could address their RT of the future?
 

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I think that is a fair price.

If I'm the Cardinals I would give up a 2025 2nd, 2026 1st and 2026 4th for Garrett. All assuming that the Cardinals and Kyler can convince Garrett that they will be a perennial playoff contender with him in the mix.

Then with a stud Edge secured in Garrett, I would trade back from the 2025 1st and try to rebuild some of the draft capital lost. Something like trading the #16 overall pick to Detroit for #28, #60 and a 2026 4th. Maybe someone like Simmons would fall to 28 and the Cardinals could address their RT of the future?
The tricky part for the Cardinals is the 2026 1st. If you trade that, you are pretty much locked into Kyler for 2026 as well.
 

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If I am the Browns, I am trading Garrett for a 2025 2nd and a 2026 1st and 3rd (if I can get it) because it opens up more teams for bidding. Also because they should probably trade down from #2 this year, and having 2 or 3 1st round picks this year is less valuable for that franchise.
A future pick is worth much less that picks this year.

I would assume it's going to take this year's first and next year's 2nd for the Cardinals. Two firsts for the top contenders
 

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A future pick is worth much less that picks this year.

I would assume it's going to take this year's first and next year's 2nd for the Cardinals. Two firsts for the top contenders
Top 5 defensive player available, us with plenty of money and assets to make it happen. I'm sure this will be a happy ending for us Cards fans!
 

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Trade up and draft Abdul Carter. Hes younger, doesnt have lingering foot/ankle issues and will not cost as much draft capital.

Kid is a beast
 

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Trade up and draft Abdul Carter. Hes younger, doesnt have lingering foot/ankle issues and will not cost as much draft capital.

Kid is a beast
Would the cost of moving to the #1 overall pick (Titans are seriously considering him) from #16 really require less draft capital?
 

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Would the cost of moving to the #1 overall pick (Titans are seriously considering him) from #16 really require less draft capital?
well i am reading at least two first and two seconds plus a player for garrett.

I bet half of that for AC
 

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A future pick is worth much less that picks this year.

I would assume it's going to take this year's first and next year's 2nd for the Cardinals. Two firsts for the top contenders
Generally speaking, yes. In this situation, no. Browns shouldn't be worried about this year. Bad QB class in the draft. Watson is still an anchor. Best parts of the draft are 20-60. If the Browns stick to a 2025 1st, it reduces the number of bidders which them reduces the bidding process. Being open to 2026 1st opens the suitor field significantly, and gives them a better chance of getting additional pieces. Also gives them additional ammo in the 2026 draft which will be more crucial for them.
 

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Again, I don't know who you are hearing this from, but I highly doubt it costs that much.
really?

i feel like most discussions and posts around the sports landscape have discussed the myriad of picks it will take
 

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really?

i feel like most discussions and posts around the sports landscape have discussed the myriad of picks it will take
Not really credible sources IMO. Historically, the closest level of defensive front player at Garrett's age was traded for a 1st. Richard Seymour. Garrett has some medical issues. His contract isn't cheap and probably will need an extension/restructure once he is traded for. Then you have the cap space issue. I was listening to the Move the Sticks podcast this AM and even Daniel Jeremiah said that the idea of two 1sts for Garrett would be a shock and the Browns would jump on it.
 

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The best chance for two 1sts would be a team giving up a 1st this year and next but them getting a 2nd round pick back.

If Garrett was 25, the compensation would be significantly more.
 

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really?

i feel like most discussions and posts around the sports landscape have discussed the myriad of picks it will take
they are overlooking the fact he has chronic lis franc issues in both feet. It is very painful...and the length of his remaining career depends solely on how long he can sustain playing through the pain.
if he were to try and fix his feet, he either has to spend six months on crutches two years in a row...or if he does them both he has to spend 5 to 6 months in bed...then rehab,....then try to get game ready....all to find out that repairing the injury will likely slow his get off due to reduced flexibility in his feet

if he plays through it there will be constant risk of him getting popped on drug tests...because his feet get inflamed, and the best way to reduce that inflammation fast and for an extended period is through steroid injections...which are banned by the league.

There is a crap ton of risk in trading for Garrett....its like buying a race car that is missing three wheel studs on every wheel...yeah you can drive it with two as long as they are tight...but ya never know when you hit a curve and all your wheels are gonna fly off.
 
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