What's He Worth?

[Hoop Head]

I'd be ok with swapping Knight for Noel. He's playing in the D-League right now on a rehab assignment. I don't think his health this year has been as serious as the games he's missed would suggest. He's playing the same position that Embiid and Okafor play and has publicly stated he'd like to be traded. Embiid has been playing like a rookie of the year shoe-in despite being on a 24 minute restriction and also resting in back-to-backs. Every GM in the league knows that Philly will have to sell low on Noel or Okafor because of the logjam they created. Noel has value but not a ton of it. Okafor is more versatile and might be able to play alongside Embiid on occasions plus he's a better offensive player.

I read this rumor yesterday about the Cavs sending Shumpert to Phoenix for Knight. I'd be ok with that because Shumpert is a quality backup wing player who is primarily a 3 & D guy. He'd hopefully spell the end to Tucker's time in Phoenix also. Cleveland has been seeking a backup PG since Delladova signed with Milwaukee. Irving is fragile and someone like Knight might work for them to fill in for the games he misses and also Lebron is their primary playmaker so Knight wouldn't need to worry about setting others up as much. JR Smith is down with an injury now and they said they're starting DeAndre Liggins in his place despite being unproven and averaging under 10 minutes a game this season and throughout his career. Maybe that indicates there is some truth to this rumor? They want to start someone other than Shumpert to prepare for a team without him and don't want him to get hurt playing too many minutes?

http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles...-knight-cleveland-cavaliers-iman-shumpert.htm

 

[TJ]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

This doesn't help Knight's trade value, as he should be traded. Still can't believe that Knight > Bledsoe was an actual thought on this board.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Errntknght]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

This doesn't help Knight's trade value, as he should be traded. Still can't believe that Knight > Bledsoe was an actual thought on this board.

You don't need to believe it because it didn't happen. I suppose someone might have expressed an opinion like that before we saw him play much. The prevailing opinion, out of the gate, was that Knight was less valuable than the Lakers pick we gave up to get him.

 

[sunsfan88]

xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media

This doesn't help Knight's trade value, as he should be traded. Still can't believe that Knight > Bledsoe was an actual thought on this board.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Still can't believe Knight > Dragic was an actual thought on this board.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Still can't believe Knight > Dragic was an actual thought on this board.

I cant believe a lot of thoughts on this board.

 

[Mainstreet]

Still can't believe Knight > Dragic was an actual thought on this board.

Actually I think it was Ryan McDonough's idea. He decided to replace Dragic with Knight after Dragic wanted out. I'd rate this as a mistake on his part or in basketball terminology, a turnover... a big turnover.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Actually I think it was Ryan McDonough's idea. He decided to replace Dragic with Knight after Dragic wanted out. I'd rate this as a mistake on his part or in basketball terminology, a turnover... a big turnover.

Ryan said something to that effect (about Knight being an upgrade on Dragic) but it was reactionary on his part IMO. I think he had his feelings hurt by Goran's comments and he responded defensively (and poorly). But even though there was no love here for the Knight trade, there were several posters that immediately pronounced Brandon to be a superior point guard to Bledsoe.

The pro-Knight movement didn't last long here but it did exist. And while I don't recall anyone here arguing Knight over Goran, it wouldn't surprise me to discover it happened. It looks foolish in retrospect but there was a time when Knight's reputation was that of a young star in the making. It's just too bad we never saw that player.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ryan said something to that effect (about Knight being an upgrade on Dragic) but it was reactionary on his part IMO. I think he had his feelings hurt by Goran's comments and he responded defensively (and poorly). But even though there was no love here for the Knight trade, there were several posters that immediately pronounced Brandon to be a superior point guard to Bledsoe.

The pro-Knight movement didn't last long here but it did exist. And while I don't recall anyone here arguing Knight over Goran, it wouldn't surprise me to discover it happened. It looks foolish in retrospect but there was a time when Knight's reputation was that of a young star in the making. It's just too bad we never saw that player.

I'm not doubting there were early Knight supporters as fans felt betrayed by Dragic demanding a trade. I think a lot of fans wanted Ryan McDonough to be right, that Knight was an upgrade over Dragic. Sadly this has not proved to be correct, at least as it stands now. More and more fans came to this realization as time progressed. I think Ryan McDonough viewed Knight as a young star in the making. As I look back, I think McDonough's trade for Knight was a knee jerk reaction by a young GM.

 

[3rdside]

Actually I think it was Ryan McDonough's idea. He decided to replace Dragic with Knight after Dragic wanted out. I'd rate this as a mistake on his part or in basketball terminology, a turnover... a big turnover.

Turnover? It's a flagrant foul, with possible criminal intent, on your own team mate.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm not doubting there were early Knight supporters as fans felt betrayed by Dragic demanding a trade. I think a lot of fans wanted Ryan McDonough to be right, that Knight was an upgrade over Dragic. Sadly this has not proved to be correct, at least as it stands now. More and more fans came to this realization as time progressed. I think Ryan McDonough viewed Knight as a young star in the making. As I look back, I think McDonough's trade for Knight was a knee jerk reaction by a young GM.

That trade for Knight and the trade giving away IT for basically nothing were both just brutal, brutal trades. That was one of the worst trade deadlines for the Suns in franchise history.

 

[Hoop Head]

Who would support a straight swap between Knight and Noel from Philly? No picks, no other players, it works under the cap with the space that Philly has.

I'd say yes, even with Noel's recent grumblings and some labels of him being a trouble maker, which I think are ridiculous. He's only saying what almost all NBA fans are as far as they have too many players for one position in Philly and one of them needs to be moved.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=grpl8ag

 

[sunsfan88]

Who would support a straight swap between Knight and Noel from Philly? No picks, no other players, it works under the cap with the space that Philly has.

I'd say yes, even with Noel's recent grumblings and some labels of him being a trouble maker, which I think are ridiculous. He's only saying what almost all NBA fans are as far as they have too many players for one position in Philly and one of them needs to be moved.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=grpl8ag

I would do it but we would have to choose between him or Len at the end of the season in terms of who to keep longterm since it doesn't make sense to pay two injury prone Cs big money at the same time.

 

[Hoop Head]

I would do it but we would have to choose between him or Len at the end of the season in terms of who to keep longterm since it doesn't make sense to pay two injury prone Cs big money at the same time.

I forgot about them being drafted in the same year. There should be some sort exception or rule allowing teams longer when players miss their rookie years.

 

[Mainstreet]

Overall Len has stayed pretty healthy since his rookie season. I would keep Len over Noel.

 

[slinslin]

Yeah I am leaning towards len on that too.

Not too thrilled about Noel to be honest.

 

[leclerc]

Luke warm on Noel. Can't we get a decent replacement for Tucker sending Tucker and Knight? So we have a quality SF in the rotation when TJ subs out?

Len/Chandler
Chriss/Bender/Duds
Warren/x
Booker/Barbosa/Jenkins
Bledsoe/Ulis

 

[Mainstreet]

Luke warm on Noel. Can't we get a decent replacement for Tucker sending Tucker and Knight? So we have a quality SF in the rotation when TJ subs out?

Len/Chandler
Chriss/Bender/Duds
Warren/x
Booker/Barbosa/Jenkins
Bledsoe/Ulis

A playoff team should want Tucker for his defense. He would be great coming off the bench. Watson has been playing him a lot of minutes with Warren coming off an injury. The Suns need to think future, otherwise I wouldn't mind keeping Tucker as a bench player. His contract expires after this season.

I like you have Bender playing behind Chriss.

 

[Errntknght]

A while back I would have made that trade, but Noel has been hurt again and Len has been looking somewhat better. Maybe a three way trade if Philly were interested and there's someone that likes Noel.

 

[Hoop Head]

Saw another article proposing a trade to the Cavs, in it it stated that Knight has the worst +/- of any player in the league which is astonishing. He was supposed to be a 6th man of the year candidate, provide instant offense and scoring off the bench, and ideally push Bledsoe and Booker to play their best so they didn't lose their starting spots to him but he's just been atrocious. It's obvious he's a negative in games when you're watching but I didn't think he was that bad overall.

 

[Hoop Head]

I've seen the Bulls linked to Knight in some trade rumors and I wonder if they'd trade Rondo and a 1st for him. I've always liked Rondo, I know he can be a bit of a headcase but he didn't get what he signed up for in Chicago. He was sold on being their lead PG in more of a fast paced wide open offense but then the Bulls were able to sign Wade and that changed everything. Wade needs the ball in his hands to be effective and that keeps Rondo from being a facilitator. He's led the league in assists multiple times in his career but just seems to be the odd man out in Chicago. I don't know how he'd react to coming off the bench but it's got to be better than being benched entirely. Only $3 million of his salary for next season is guaranteed, so if it doesn't work out, they could let him walk or cut him this season. It's not like we're going anywhere this year anyways. I don't think we could hope for more than a 1st round pick for Knight anyways but Chicago needs to move Rondo and they'd get a player they want in return.

His attitude has been a problem elsewhere but it's a small risk for Phoenix to take a chance on him. We'd get a 1st round pick, which should be somewhere in the teens, and also be rid of Knight with his contract. If he didn't have question marks around his attitude I'd make the trade in an instant and then find a suitor for Bledsoe. If the Suns were to trade Bledsoe there is no better time than now, his value should be pretty high with him putting up All-Star stats this year. He's just not the type of PG the Suns should build around and the gap in his age with our youngsters is too much, he won't be here when the Suns turn things around. We'd have Rondo here for the rest of year and next to handle the PG position until Ulis or another PG we draft this year develops. If he's happy here then he could be a good mentor to Ulis. His unselfishness on the court and BB IQ should help everyone on the floor improve also. He'd be 32 by the time his contract expires and at that point he should be ready to move into a backup role himself or the Suns can let him walk. He'd be a stop gap of sorts but he'd help in the interim.

 

[leclerc]

I'm not a Rondo fan myself but you do have some good points. Trade Bledsoe for a bad contract and a young star ala KJ? Or lump Bledsoe, Knight and Chandler in a Barkley trade?

 

[Covert Rain]

This core of Bledsoe, Knight etc. isn't taking us anywhere. Nobody on the team but a few of our young guys are off limits. Having said that, we can't keep trading guys unless it positions us better in the draft or for high impact players. Sooner or later one of those moves has to pay off or you just tread water.

 

[hcsilla]

I watched couple of Bulls games before Rondo was out of the rotation and he was absolutely awful. His team played 4-on-5 with him on the floor.

 

[Mainstreet]

That trade for Knight and the trade giving away IT for basically nothing were both just brutal, brutal trades. That was one of the worst trade deadlines for the Suns in franchise history.

I missed your post earlier. We agree. The Suns have made some bad trades in their history but these trades belong in the one of the worst trade categories. The trades of Dennis Johnson and Kurt Thomas were really bad as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

This core of Bledsoe, Knight etc. isn't taking us anywhere. Nobody on the team but a few of our young guys are off limits. Having said that, we can't keep trading guys unless it positions us better in the draft or for high impact players. Sooner or later one of those moves has to pay off or you just tread water.

I don't believe Knight is part of the Suns core any longer but I get the gist. Perhaps Bledsoe is coming into his own. His stats seem to support it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html