When Lienart replaced mistake-prone QB

[IAWarnerFan]

I don't really get this Kurt Warner was mistake prone stuff (especially at the end). His decision making was among the very best out there. The problem was that he couldn't hold onto the football at times. Every QB is going to throw an INT here and there(usually by forcing things). I didn't see any mistakes against GB last year in the playoffs.

As for Leinart as starting QB, I hope he does very well as starter. I'm not a believer yet, but if he starts to do well in the regular season it won't take me long to start to believe. I could care less about these preseason games, it's the regular season I'm interested in.

 

[earthsci]

I don't really get this Kurt Warner was mistake prone stuff (especially at the end). His decision making was among the very best out there. The problem was that he couldn't hold onto the football at times. Every QB is going to throw an INT here and there(usually by forcing things). I didn't see any mistakes against GB last year in the playoffs.

As for Leinart as starting QB, I hope he does very well as starter. I'm not a believer yet, but if he starts to do well in the regular season it won't take me long to start to believe. I could care less about these preseason games, it's the regular season I'm interested in.

Fumbles are mistakes. This thread is to point out that a QB (Warner) who was having problems got it turned around and played great football. You know, being hopeful that Leinart can do the same. Also to point out that Leinart is quite capable of playing some pretty damned good QB.

Anyone who seriously would talk smack about Warner, especially after the last two years, would be an idiot.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Fumbles are mistakes. This thread is to point out that a QB (Warner) who was having problems got it turned around and played great football. You know, being hopeful that Leinart can do the same. Also to point out that Leinart is quite capable of playing some pretty damned good QB.

Anyone who seriously would talk smack about Warner, especially after the last two years, would be an idiot.

If you want to call not being able to hold on to the ball a mistake, so be it. I guess I just don't like the tone of the heading. When Kurt Warner first got his chance to play regular season games(after Green went down) he played some of his best football. It's actually quite a bit different situation, but I do hope Leinart can quit making the head scratching bad throws like he did last year and years past. I guess the plays that stick out to me about Leinart right now is the Bears game last year where Warner had to come back in. I'm hopeful that we see ML get off to a good start this year and never look back.

 

[moklerman]

If you want to call not being able to hold on to the ball a mistake, so be it.

??? I guess there's rose colored glasses and then there's rose colored retina surgery.

 

[Duckjake]

If you want to call not being able to hold on to the ball a mistake, so be it. I guess I just don't like the tone of the heading. When Kurt Warner first got his chance to play regular season games(after Green went down) he played some of his best football. It's actually quite a bit different situation, but I do hope Leinart can quit making the head scratching bad throws like he did last year and years past. I guess the plays that stick out to me about Leinart right now is the Bears game last year where Warner had to come back in. I'm hopeful that we see ML get off to a good start this year and never look back.

Maybe that was the secret to Warner's success. He played his best football in Arizona after Leinart went down in '07.

Dang McCown, if you'd have gotten hurt in '05 the Cards could have been in the SB two years earlier. Nothing serious of course.

Edit: Warner's QB rating with Arizona before Matt's injury 88.6. After 93.2.

Cards record with Warner as starter before injury 3-12. After 24-18 plus 4 postseason wins.

 

[CardLogic]

??? I guess there's rose colored glasses and then there's rose colored retina surgery.

Zinger from one Warnerphile to another!

Where you been, moklerman?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

??? I guess there's rose colored glasses and then there's rose colored retina surgery.

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to hold on to the ball is a matter of opinion.

 

[Stout]

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to hold on to the ball is a matter of opinion.

This isn't serious. This can't be serious. You know very well that a fumble is a mistake, just like holding the ball too long is a mistake. Please, stop being silly.

How about we say that the inability to hold onto the football is a mistake, eh?

 

[Duckjake]

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to hold on to the ball is a matter of opinion.

In the first 4 games of 2006 Warner had thrown 5 interceptions and had put the ball on the ground 10 times. I'd say that was being mistake prone.

But like I said the Cards should have just pulled some QB off the street announced him as the starter, had him pretend to get hurt on the first play of the season, put Kurt in, and been off to the Super Bowl.

 

[bg7brd]

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to PROTECT the ball is a matter of opinion.

 

[CardLogic]

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to hold on to the ball is a matter of opinion.

This isn't serious. This can't be serious. You know very well that a fumble is a mistake, just like holding the ball too long is a mistake. Please, stop being silly.

How about we say that the inability to hold onto the football is a mistake, eh?

I was looking for the :slapsforehead: smilie. I can't believe a person could actually type that out and then still post it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's not rose colored anything. He was a bit of a fumbler, but whether you call a fumble a mistake or an inability to hold on to the ball is a matter of opinion.

i ain't gonna touch this comment with a ten foot pole.

are we REALLY still talking about Kurt?! And BAD Kurt Pre-Wiz?!

 

[earthsci]

The sad thing of it is, is that this thread was a compliment to Kurt Warner and how we hoped that Leinart could make the same kind of career recovery.

 

[Duckjake]

i ain't gonna touch this comment with a ten foot pole.

are we REALLY still talking about Kurt?! And BAD Kurt Pre-Wiz?!

Why not. We still talk about Coryell's Cardinals for instance.

 

[BigRedRage]

??? I guess there's rose colored glasses and then there's rose colored retina surgery.

fantastic joke

 

[D-Dogg]

In the first 4 games of 2006 Warner had thrown 5 interceptions and had put the ball on the ground 10 times. I'd say that was being mistake prone.

Those were sad, sad times. What a brilliant reclamation project he had...a testament to those gloves and some hard work in the offseasons...didn't he come in all ripped the following year?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

This isn't serious. This can't be serious. You know very well that a fumble is a mistake, just like holding the ball too long is a mistake. Please, stop being silly.

How about we say that the inability to hold onto the football is a mistake, eh?

I see what you are saying, but I was aiming more for taking the sack vs. caughing up a football. Sure, it might be a mistake vs. chucking it OOB(as long as a receiver is in the area) and I do see that as well.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

In the first 4 games of 2006 Warner had thrown 5 interceptions and had put the ball on the ground 10 times. I'd say that was being mistake prone.

But like I said the Cards should have just pulled some QB off the street announced him as the starter, had him pretend to get hurt on the first play of the season, put Kurt in, and been off to the Super Bowl.

The 5 INTs in 4 games wasn't good, but the 10 fumbles were much worse.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

The sad thing of it is, is that this thread was a compliment to Kurt Warner and how we hoped that Leinart could make the same kind of career recovery.

I don't see the "compliment" side of being called mistake-prone.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

I don't see the "compliment" side of being called mistake-prone.

The compliment comes in the knowing what Kurt ended up doing over the course of the next 3 years!!!

 

[IAWarnerFan]

The compliment comes in the knowing what Kurt ended up doing over the course of the next 3 years!!!

I agree on that part, but it's the "mistake-prone" part that I guess I had the biggest issue with. Again it was probably more about the fumbles at that point than the INTs.

 

[Duckjake]

The 5 INTs in 4 games wasn't good, but the 10 fumbles were much worse.

What was really puzzling back then was that Warner absolutely blistered the 4and9ers in the opener. 23-37-301 yards and 3 TDs. Then just went south for the next three games.

Of course with our 20/20 hindsight we know now what the problem was with those teams from '04-'06.

Hard to believe that Kurt Warner sat on the bench while Tony Banks, Steve Bono, Josh McCown, and John Navarre played.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Hard to believe that Kurt Warner sat on the bench while Tony Banks, Steve Bono, Josh McCown, and John Navarre played.

You had to mention that didn't ya????